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Post by shocktroop34 on Nov 6, 2013 20:32:53 GMT -6
I was curious if any of you have someone that does nothing but handle the recruiting process for you. If so, what are their responsibilities? Or, if you have a coach (other than the HC) that takes on some of the responsibilities, what does he do for your program?
I have a person I'm considering for hire that has considerable ties with many college coaches and has a good reputation in the community. I plan to be kept informed on all developments, but as someone that has previously held all of those duties, what should I consider assigning him? I will still visit with, make calls, and take calls from coaches, but beyond that what are some of the busy work assignments I could give him? Is this a bad idea all together? Insight is appreciated.
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Post by rhscoachbh on Nov 7, 2013 15:05:28 GMT -6
I handle all of the recruiting responsibilities for our program. Right now I'm an on campus para, which works out great in the spring. I deal with all of the college coaches that come to visit in the spring, get all highlight videos put together, transcripts, and bio sheets that I give to each coach (on one side is bio of player: picture, accomplishments, stats, hobbies, interested major in college, and the other side of the sheet is their transcript, so it's all on one sheet). I handle the distribution of highlight films throughout the season with colleges (another assistant puts together the highlights every week for each recruitable player), and stay in contact throughout the year with the college coaches. I also see what camps are coming up (rivals, scout, nike, under armour), make sure kids are taking the right core classes, make sure SAT/ACT tests are scheduled or completed, and take kids to college camps during the spring/summer.
Our HC will take the visit/phone call if for some reason I am not on campus. I also created a database with every football playing college from FBS to JC (California and Arizona JCs only)with the HC's name and Recruiting Coordinator's name with their personal e-mail address. It allows me to send out film in bulk in a hurry.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 7, 2013 16:20:37 GMT -6
We do next to nothing as far as recruiting. If a college coach contacts the HC then he will give them whatever info is needed. Also If a player asks us for game film we are more than happy to do it for them, but that's about all we have been asked to do.
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Post by coachphillip on Nov 7, 2013 16:28:59 GMT -6
We do next to nothing as far as recruiting. If a college coach contacts the HC then he will give them whatever info is needed. Also If a player asks us for game film we are more than happy to do it for them, but that's about all we have been asked to do. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards This was my former head coach's standard approach. I didn't think there was any other way until I started working for the HC now. He takes an active role in getting kids' names out there. It's made me rethink our entire role in the process.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Nov 7, 2013 16:35:38 GMT -6
I handle all of the recruiting responsibilities for our program. Right now I'm an on campus para, which works out great in the spring. I deal with all of the college coaches that come to visit in the spring, get all highlight videos put together, transcripts, and bio sheets that I give to each coach (on one side is bio of player: picture, accomplishments, stats, hobbies, interested major in college, and the other side of the sheet is their transcript, so it's all on one sheet). I handle the distribution of highlight films throughout the season with colleges (another assistant puts together the highlights every week for each recruitable player), and stay in contact throughout the year with the college coaches. I also see what camps are coming up (rivals, scout, nike, under armour), make sure kids are taking the right core classes, make sure SAT/ACT tests are scheduled or completed, and take kids to college camps during the spring/summer. Our HC will take the visit/phone call if for some reason I am not on campus. I also created a database with every football playing college from FBS to JC (California and Arizona JCs only)with the HC's name and Recruiting Coordinator's name with their personal e-mail address. It allows me to send out film in bulk in a hurry. Personally, I would want to take the calls/visits with coaches if they were on campus. Everything else is exactly what I'm looking for. Are you working with a big school? Do the college coaches get offended if the HC doesn't meet with them?
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 7, 2013 16:41:34 GMT -6
We do next to nothing as far as recruiting. If a college coach contacts the HC then he will give them whatever info is needed. Also If a player asks us for game film we are more than happy to do it for them, but that's about all we have been asked to do. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards This was my former head coach's standard approach. I didn't think there was any other way until I started working for the HC now. He takes an active role in getting kids' names out there. It's made me rethink our entire role in the process. I agree. We do very little, and if it were up to me I would do more. In our defense though, we rarely if ever even get 1AA talent. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards
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Post by rhscoachbh on Nov 8, 2013 0:40:16 GMT -6
I handle all of the recruiting responsibilities for our program. Right now I'm an on campus para, which works out great in the spring. I deal with all of the college coaches that come to visit in the spring, get all highlight videos put together, transcripts, and bio sheets that I give to each coach (on one side is bio of player: picture, accomplishments, stats, hobbies, interested major in college, and the other side of the sheet is their transcript, so it's all on one sheet). I handle the distribution of highlight films throughout the season with colleges (another assistant puts together the highlights every week for each recruitable player), and stay in contact throughout the year with the college coaches. I also see what camps are coming up (rivals, scout, nike, under armour), make sure kids are taking the right core classes, make sure SAT/ACT tests are scheduled or completed, and take kids to college camps during the spring/summer. Our HC will take the visit/phone call if for some reason I am not on campus. I also created a database with every football playing college from FBS to JC (California and Arizona JCs only)with the HC's name and Recruiting Coordinator's name with their personal e-mail address. It allows me to send out film in bulk in a hurry. Personally, I would want to take the calls/visits with coaches if they were on campus. Everything else is exactly what I'm looking for. Are you working with a big school? Do the college coaches get offended if the HC doesn't meet with them? I don't think they get offended. We had another guy doing it before I took over that did a great job. Problem is we'll have 60+ colleges stop by during spring, and with our HC teaching 4 English 12 classes he can't be leaving class all the time.
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Post by fantom on Nov 8, 2013 0:58:07 GMT -6
This was my former head coach's standard approach. I didn't think there was any other way until I started working for the HC now. He takes an active role in getting kids' names out there. It's made me rethink our entire role in the process. I agree. We do very little, and if it were up to me I would do more. In our defense though, we rarely if ever even get 1AA talent. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards The D.1 and 1AA kids probably don't need any help. The kids who can play D.2, NAIA, JUCO, and D.3 do.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Nov 8, 2013 8:03:45 GMT -6
Personally, I would want to take the calls/visits with coaches if they were on campus. Everything else is exactly what I'm looking for. Are you working with a big school? Do the college coaches get offended if the HC doesn't meet with them? I don't think they get offended. We had another guy doing it before I took over that did a great job. Problem is we'll have 60+ colleges stop by during spring, and with our HC teaching 4 English 12 classes he can't be leaving class all the time. Your HC sounds exactly like me. I didn't think there were many English teachers/HC's left in the world! Thanks for the feedback.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 9, 2013 12:24:37 GMT -6
I sit down with the seniors who want to play in college and go over a checklist: *correct contact info *transcripts *Hudl access (should have it) and the fact that their tape is their job *They tell me which full game they want me to send *10 schools they want to attend
*I make them a list with the recruiting coordinator's # and e-mail *I give them a form letter to use to e-mail coaches with *I call the RCs from the schools our kids are interested in and talk to them about our seniors *I send over the Hudl recruiting package for them (uploaded transcripts, contact info, highlights, and full game)
If I get a hit back, I forward to the player. If I don't- I assume it didn't work out.
In the 3 years I've been here we've had one player sign and it was D3. This year we will probably have 3 kids sign at the D2, D3, and NAIA levels... maybe an FCS kid at PK/P.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 9, 2013 14:35:48 GMT -6
This is a form I gave my players a few years ago when I was handling recruiting. Helped me narrow down what kids were looking for and also to not waste the time of some coaches. Attachment Deleted
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Post by jturner on Nov 10, 2013 0:08:50 GMT -6
This was my former head coach's standard approach. I didn't think there was any other way until I started working for the HC now. He takes an active role in getting kids' names out there. It's made me rethink our entire role in the process. I agree. We do very little, and if it were up to me I would do more. In our defense though, we rarely if ever even get 1AA talent. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards If you're getting D2/D3/NAIA players, you're doing better than us. There's nothing worse than game planning vs a D1 RB and having D-none talent. With that, I find our team in quite a pickle. We could probably send 2-3 to a D3 school, but the likelihood of them staying on the team, keeping grades up, and actually playing is slim to none. That would in turn make our school look bad, and if we actually had someone that could play, they might overlook him for the name on jersey. Also, I'm not sure how it works in other states, but recruiting for D3/D2 in Indiana is basically a cattle call after national signing day for the big boys. Lots of the colleges send guys to you, and they get all of the names of players that are interested in playing football after high school. It just doesn't seem like someone would need a recruiting coordinator at the hs level nowadays.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Nov 10, 2013 1:46:57 GMT -6
You'd be surprised. At a bigger school it can be quite overwhelming the first couple of years. As rhscoach mentioned, 50-60 schools in a spring can be a daunting task even for the most organized coach.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 10, 2013 8:18:47 GMT -6
At my current stop, we've had one college visit in 3 years- and it was on accident this Friday! However, it did pan out and our kid immediately became the 'next option' if the guy they were looking at didn't work out.
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Post by brophy on Nov 10, 2013 9:18:43 GMT -6
doesn't this beg the question, what level of resources used for 'recruiting' actually benefits your HS/program?
Let's say we get 10% of our senior class looking at DIII schools this year, what help does that provide our program into next year or 5 years from now?
Is it to point to how many of our former players went on to play at the next level to garner more underclassmen? If a public school, your kids are coming from your feeders largely because they have to, I imagine.
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Post by fantom on Nov 10, 2013 9:22:03 GMT -6
You'd be surprised. At a bigger school it can be quite overwhelming the first couple of years. As rhscoach mentioned, 50-60 schools in a spring can be a daunting task even for the most organized coach. And if you're in an area that regularly sends players to college there are a lot of expectations and pressure. I know guys who have lost their jobs because of the perception that they weren't doing enough to get players recruited.
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Post by fantom on Nov 10, 2013 9:28:21 GMT -6
doesn't this beg the question, what level of resources used for 'recruiting' actually benefits your HS/program? Let's say we get 10% of our senior class looking at DIII schools this year, what help does that provide our program into next year or 5 years from now? Is it to point to how many of our former players went on to play at the next level to garner more underclassmen? If a public school, your kids are coming from your feeders largely because they have to, I imagine. If you're in an area that has school choice having a track record of sending players to college can help you recruit or retain players.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 10, 2013 9:47:37 GMT -6
Is it to point to how many of our former players went on to play at the next level to garner more underclassmen? If a public school, your kids are coming from your feeders largely because they have to, I imagine. In Florida, there's a lot of movement between schools. Public to private, vice versa and public or private to charter and vice versa. There's a few coaches in my area known for getting kids to college to play ball, and there's a few known for doing NOTHING to help kids... which reputation do you want when it's time for a kid to join some magnet program to come or go? Also, I feel like in order to be a productive member of society I have to influence kids to the right place. Every Wednesday during our study hall, seniors are supposed to apply to colleges/fill out recruiting questionnaires, look into trade schools or the military... whichever route they're going. I have a program that lets me monitor their screens in the computer lab so I can see what they're looking at. Makes me more comfortable in my role as a mentor.
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Post by brophy on Nov 10, 2013 9:51:31 GMT -6
If you're in an area that has school choice having a track record of sending players to college can help you recruit or retain players. more than just winning games on your schedule?
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Post by fantom on Nov 10, 2013 9:55:19 GMT -6
If you're in an area that has school choice having a track record of sending players to college can help you recruit or retain players. more than just winning games on your schedule? Winning is a lot easier if you have recruitable kids.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 10, 2013 10:07:33 GMT -6
We're in an area with a lot of mid-class schools kids can choose. It is becoming more prevalent that athletes will "trade" schools if they feel there is a better chance to get seen by a D1/D2 program. Winning record plays a role, but aggressive coaches who can promote players also plays a key role. It seems kinda peripheral to me, but it is the reality of the times in our area.
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Post by fantom on Nov 10, 2013 10:29:23 GMT -6
more than just winning games on your schedule? Winning is a lot easier if you have recruitable kids. I want to make it clear that I'm not talking about anything illegal or unethical. Private schools aren't as big of a problem here as they are in other areas but our city has school choice for 9th graders. If a school has a reputation for sending kids to college that gives them a leg up n getting those freshmen. In addition it can help you recruit athletes within the school. That 6'2" power forward might realize that a basketball schollie isn't in the cards but there may be a chance in football (it helps to have a good relationship with the basketball coach).
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 10, 2013 13:04:21 GMT -6
Being a bit on both sides of this. Equation, here are some key things:
Stay on top of highlights for individuals and the team throughout the year. You can tell kids to do it but they probably won't do a good job because they don't know what makes a good individual highlight. Which leads us to:
Know what constitutes a good highlight for an individual. Did he show me, the college recruiter, something special that I can use to win games? Is this his highlight or did someone else make a great play of which he was the beneficiary? Can I see him clearly or is it a muddy mess?
Be realistic with all involved about where a kid fits. Is e an instant superstar? Is he a weight room project? Will he never play but provide me with 5 years of top-quality walk-in scout depth? Let the kid decide if he'd rather walk on at the local D1 school or be the big fish at a D3 school, and let him know what he truly faces.
For the love of god pick some new music.
Give me some real numbers for him. I'm not going to abandon a kid with good tape because he's an inch shorter than you think I'm looking for, but it's really annoying watching film an thinking "if he's 6'2" then that entire team must be over six feet." The same logic applies to his strength numbers. I have a strength coach, I can make him stronger. Giving me comically inflated numbers makes him look worse for not rag dolling opponents.
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Post by brophy on Nov 10, 2013 13:41:42 GMT -6
more than just winning games on your schedule? Winning is a lot easier if you have recruitable kids. so are you suggesting that for schools in districts where kids can realistically choose between Everybody Else High and Super Studs High, they can choose the latter and that if programs don't actively advertise their numbers, they will end up with crappy talent? I do understand that dilemma, certainly not discounting the importance of efforting for your kids, but I'm questioning the amount dedicated to a position relative to it's maximum return. I totally understand the regional dynamics at play here, but even in TEXAS, I would find this position/title ridiculous Is it good to have relationships with local colleges to keep your kids interested in academics (through athletics)? yes Is there real value to having a maxpreps.com hype man on staff to influence your yearly W/L? I'd say no I would go as far (and my reason for questioning) that the overall numbers would serve the coach's ego more than the program's actual (not perceived) need. a recruiting coordinator? {censored} no itemizing plays on HUDL for exposure to colleges? part of the job for any assistant
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Post by fantom on Nov 10, 2013 13:58:07 GMT -6
Winning is a lot easier if you have recruitable kids. so are you suggesting that for schools in districts where kids can realistically choose between Everybody Else High and Super Studs High, they can choose the latter and that if programs don't actively advertise their numbers, they will end up with crappy talent? I do understand that dilemma, certainly not discounting the importance of efforting for your kids, but I'm questioning the amount dedicated to a position relative to it's maximum return. I totally understand the regional dynamics at play here, but even in TEXAS, I would find this position/title ridiculous Is it good to have relationships with local colleges to keep your kids interested in academics (through athletics)? yes Is there real value to having a maxpreps.com hype man on staff to influence your yearly W/L? I'd say no I would go as far (and my reason for questioning) that the overall numbers would serve the coach's ego more than the program's actual (not perceived) need. a recruiting coordinator? {censored} no itemizing plays on HUDL for exposure to colleges? part of the job for any assistant It depends on what you mean my a recruiting coordinator. If the HC is off campus it's certainly helpful to designate an in-house assistant to meet with college coaches. Even if he's in-house the HC may need help in meeting those coaches so that the HC doesn't have to miss out on class time. Want to call him a recruiting coordinator? Fine. Want to just consider it part of an assistant's job. Also fine. I do believe that whoever does that job has to be coordinated and that whoever does it should stay in close communication with the HC.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 10, 2013 19:14:17 GMT -6
I would be amazed to hear that schools have a full-time recruiting coordinator who has no other position/ coordinator coaching assignments. I did it as part of my head coaching job and I also did it as an assistant. Another assistant and I just split the work and did it that way. Are there high schools out there with a full time recruiting person who does little else?
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 10, 2013 19:40:46 GMT -6
It might be someone who wants to help out but can't commit to all the coaching stuff.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Nov 10, 2013 20:19:48 GMT -6
It might be someone who wants to help out but can't commit to all the coaching stuff. Yes, it would be that type of person. And I bristle at the idea of giving that person a title. Sometimes I feel that H.S. programs try to mimic the next level to a fault. But it is the nature of the beast. I have been in two different programs. One had about 350 kids in the high school. Zero expectations to get kids recruited. The next school 1300+/-. Major expectations and the pressure was real.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 10, 2013 20:29:46 GMT -6
I agree with HS trying to mimic college. The more I think about it, I'd rather just call the recruiting person our "Recruiting Point Person" instead of coordinator. Just so colleges, parents, and players know who to ask about any recruiting issues. Could be a similar role to video people on staff who handle all video/ Hudl/ highlight film situations.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 11, 2013 10:03:00 GMT -6
Honestly, most parents will assume it means you're recruiting kids to your school rather than to college. Maybe someone could be the point person on "college and careers." For instance, I'm helping two seniors with the police academy through some connections. Recruit them everywhere they want to go, even if it's not football. Most parents of lower-SES kids can't help them as much as we can.
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