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Post by resdeal on Nov 6, 2013 10:24:18 GMT -6
I am curious how other states set up their playoffs. In kansas we currently have 5 classes of 11 man football and 2 classes of 8 man football. The 4 biggest classes play 9 regular season games with the last 3 games being district games. The top 2 teams from each district advance. District winners play runner ups in round one. Class 3A and 4A play their final regular season game on a Thursday, round one on the next Tuesday, and round two on Saturday. 3 games in 10 days. 6A, 5A, and 2A don't have the Tuesday game since there aren't as many teams. 2A plays in 5 or 6 team districts. Top two teams advance. The two classifications of 8 man play in 6 or 7 team districts with the top two teams advancing.
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Post by blackknight on Nov 6, 2013 13:59:46 GMT -6
In California there are 10 Sections. Each section determines the structure of their playoffs. At the end of the section playoffs they pick two teams from the north and two teams from the south to play in regional championships in 4 divisions. The winners of these regional finals then face each other (North vs. South) in State Bowl games.
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Post by ndcoach on Nov 6, 2013 14:14:26 GMT -6
The San Diego Section is trying something different this year. There are 6 divisions (The Open Division and then Div. 1-5). The division placement is not based on enrollment but rather on a rating that is essentially a 5 year average of the ratings displayed on maxpreps. The open division is the 8 best teams, then Div 1 is the next best 15, and so on. A committee sets up the playoffs, league winners are assured a spot in their respective divisions. The Committee then decides who is seeded where and who is in and who is out, etc.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Nov 6, 2013 14:33:34 GMT -6
In Indiana we have 6 classes. We have a very unique set up. Everyone automatically makes the playoffs. Your first round opponent is determined by a draw of ping pong balls, just like the lottery. You are divided into 8 team sectionals (except 5 and 6A which are 4 team sectionals) and that determines your potential draw. We are already two weeks into the playoffs with the sectional championships set for Friday.
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Post by beebe on Nov 7, 2013 11:22:37 GMT -6
Louisiana is different this year.....all private/charter type/magnet schools make the playoffs in 4 divisions and public schools play in classifications and qualify for the playoffs as district winner or as wild cards by power points....top 32 make the playoffs in 5 classifications.
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Post by fantom on Nov 7, 2013 11:40:55 GMT -6
I am curious how other states set up their playoffs. In kansas we currently have 5 classes of 11 man football and 2 classes of 8 man football. The 4 biggest classes play 9 regular season games with the last 3 games being district games. The top 2 teams from each district advance. District winners play runner ups in round one. Class 3A and 4A play their final regular season game on a Thursday, round one on the next Tuesday, and round two on Saturday. 3 games in 10 days. 6A, 5A, and 2A don't have the Tuesday game since there aren't as many teams. 2A plays in 5 or 6 team districts. Top two teams advance. The two classifications of 8 man play in 6 or 7 team districts with the top two teams advancing. I've heard about this Kansas system before and frankly I think it's insane. It sounds like it was put together so that they can get football out of the way so that they can get on to their real priority, basketball. In Virginia the system is similar to most states, I think. We're divided into six classifications divided equally by enrollment. Each classification is divided into two regions. Power points are used to decide who gets in and seeding. We play a game a week until the championship, which is at a college stadium on December 14. |
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 7, 2013 11:49:11 GMT -6
Utah...
Each division has an even number of "regions" (leagues). Top 4 from each league go to create a 16 team playoff.
.....#1 from Region A plays #4 from Region B, #2 from Region C plays #3 from Region D
.....#1 from Region B plays #4 from Region C, #2 from Region D plays #3 from Region A
.....Same with all #1's playing all #4's, all #2's playing all #3's
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 7, 2013 12:45:45 GMT -6
In Rhode Island we only have 43 high school football teams total. They are broken up into 4 classes/divisions.
Division I is the highest division with 9 teams. Top 4 make the playoffs. (1 vs. 4) (2 vs. 3)
Division II is the largest division with 16 teams and it's broken up into two sides. DIIA and DIIB. Top 4 from each make the playoffs. DIIA #1 seed will play DIIB #4 seed and so on.
Division III has 10 teams. Top 4 make playoffs. (1 vs. 4) (2 vs. 3)
Division IV has 8 teams. Top 4 make playoffs. (1 vs. 4) (2 vs. 3)
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Post by 20x on Nov 7, 2013 17:36:09 GMT -6
In Iowa the top 4 in each district make the playoffs, each class has 8 districts so 32 teams in each class.
We finish our regular season ends on Friday. Round 1 on Wednesday, Round 2 on Monday, Round 3 On Friday, and then they finally give the teams an actual week for the next two rounds. I find it funny that everything is about safety until in comes to playoff time and then the state feels that it must get in as many games as possible as fast as possible.
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Post by realdawg on Nov 8, 2013 5:12:02 GMT -6
In NC it's very confusing. We have 1a-4a but then each one of those is subdivided for the playoffs. So 64 teams make the playoffs in each subdivision.
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Post by tim914790 on Nov 8, 2013 6:55:11 GMT -6
In Maryland it is 4 classifications and 4 regions in each classification.
Nov. 15 Region Semis
Nov. 22 Region Final
Nov. 29 State Semis
Dec. 6 State Finals
Most teams play 10 game schedules with playoffs starting week 10. The top 4 teams in each region qualify for the playoffs based on a point system from size of school you beat and amount of wins they have. A total of 16 teams in each classification make the playoffs.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 8, 2013 7:39:19 GMT -6
Another interesting thing about Rhode Island that I'm sure appears to be wacky to some is that our division (DII) starts their playoffs next week, then we play our thanksgiving day game which is "non league", then playoffs resume the following tuesday. Our Thanksgiving Day game is so big that if you asked people around town which would you rather see, a thanksgiving day win or a state championship...many would say a turkey day win. A former asst coach of our staff won a state championship here in 1992, he has always gotten his balls busted because they lost on thanksgiving that year.
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Post by dubnicks on Nov 8, 2013 10:54:46 GMT -6
Another thing to add about Kansas is how they schedule location. This was true when I played 3a ball growing up there. There is no "home field" advantage to a for during the season. During the playoffs, home field is already determined by West travels East or East travels West depending on the year. Is this still the case??
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Post by resdeal on Nov 8, 2013 11:53:31 GMT -6
Another thing to add about Kansas is how they schedule location. This was true when I played 3a ball growing up there. There is no "home field" advantage to a for during the season. During the playoffs, home field is already determined by West travels East or East travels West depending on the year. Is this still the case?? Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using proboards Yes it is, with one exception. If one team has hosted fewer home playoff games that season than their opponent, they get to host. |
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Post by mc140 on Nov 8, 2013 12:36:46 GMT -6
Illinois
9 Game schedule and at the end of regular season the top 256 teams (basically everyone with a winning record) are placed into 8, 32 team brackets based on school enrollment. So we have 8 state champions.
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Post by fantom on Nov 8, 2013 12:50:18 GMT -6
I have to ask Kansas coaches if they like this playoff format. To me ending the season Thursday night then playing a playoff game, one of the most important games of the year, on Tuesday is crazy. How do you even prepare for the game?
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 8, 2013 13:13:40 GMT -6
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4 classifications based on 135 ADM, redistributed every 2 years (200ish schools that play football)
AAAA splits into 2 divisions with a 4 round 16 teams tourney. Points system determines what the seeds are #1-16 for each division. Also your region finish determines where you are seeded. 11 games are in the regular season. Also, if you count a team from a lower classification, you have to sometimes wait and see how that team does in the first round of the playoffs, since A, AA, and AAA only play 10 regular season games.
Confused yet? Well determining which division you qualify for is not based on the 135 ADM count that put you into the AAAA classification, but rather the current 135 ADM is used to determine whether or not you are DI or DII. (So it is plausible to be in AAAA but have numbers that would put you in AAA.)
But don't let that get your knickers in a knot, there are 52 teams placed in the AAAA classification. The only teams guaranteed to be placed in DI are the 16 biggest, and the only teams guaranteed to be placed in DII are the 16 smallest. Therefore there are 20 teams that theoretically could be EITHER DI or DII.
Now for those 20 limbo schools the placement between being a top (home 1st round)) seed in DII and a lower (traveling 1st round) could hinge on an upset in a game that you are not not playing in. Or your team even plays against those teams. Or have those teams in your region. Or even play against one of the teams that is playing in the upset game.
We are in week 11. Next week is the 1st round. There are a handful of teams that have their seed and division locked up. There are about (to anybody's best guess) 10-12 teams that are definitely OUT of the playoffs. Other than that, we're all waiting on Saturday.
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Post by resdeal on Nov 8, 2013 15:04:55 GMT -6
I have to ask Kansas coaches if they like this playoff format. To me ending the season Thursday night then playing a playoff game, one of the most important games of the year, on Tuesday is crazy. How do you even prepare for the game? Only 4 of the 7 classes have to play it this way. Next year only 3 of the 8 classes will have to do it. I don't mind it. We are not a deep team by any stretch of the imagination. 28 total players (varsity + JV). You watch a lot of film and do a lot of walk and talks. we usually give them one day off. since everyone is in the same boat its not that bad. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 8, 2013 16:03:05 GMT -6
I have to ask Kansas coaches if they like this playoff format. To me ending the season Thursday night then playing a playoff game, one of the most important games of the year, on Tuesday is crazy. How do you even prepare for the game? Only 4 of the 7 classes have to play it this way. Next year only 3 of the 8 classes will have to do it. I don't mind it. We are not a deep team by any stretch of the imagination. 28 total players (varsity + JV). You watch a lot of film and do a lot of walk and talks. we usually give them one day off. since everyone is in the same boat its not that bad. Are you allowed to practice on Sunday? |
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Post by resdeal on Nov 8, 2013 18:26:29 GMT -6
Only 4 of the 7 classes have to play it this way. Next year only 3 of the 8 classes will have to do it. I don't mind it. We are not a deep team by any stretch of the imagination. 28 total players (varsity + JV). You watch a lot of film and do a lot of walk and talks. we usually give them one day off. since everyone is in the same boat its not that bad. Are you allowed to practice on Sunday? Yep. Usually do it so it doesn't interfere with the Chiefs game. |
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Post by aznando on Nov 9, 2013 8:45:01 GMT -6
The San Diego Section is trying something different this year. There are 6 divisions (The Open Division and then Div. 1-5). The division placement is not based on enrollment but rather on a rating that is essentially a 5 year average of the ratings displayed on maxpreps. The open division is the 8 best teams, then Div 1 is the next best 15, and so on. A committee sets up the playoffs, league winners are assured a spot in their respective divisions. The Committee then decides who is seeded where and who is in and who is out, etc. Wow, That's a lot different. I went to Patrick Henry a deacade ago, we used to be in the Eastern League and I see the leagues and divisions are all different this year. Where do you coach at? Aznando |
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 9, 2013 14:55:14 GMT -6
I am curious how other states set up their playoffs. In kansas we currently have 5 classes of 11 man football and 2 classes of 8 man football. The 4 biggest classes play 9 regular season games with the last 3 games being district games. The top 2 teams from each district advance. District winners play runner ups in round one. Class 3A and 4A play their final regular season game on a Thursday, round one on the next Tuesday, and round two on Saturday. 3 games in 10 days. 6A, 5A, and 2A don't have the Tuesday game since there aren't as many teams. 2A plays in 5 or 6 team districts. Top two teams advance. The two classifications of 8 man play in 6 or 7 team districts with the top two teams advancing. I'm with you on Kansas. I don't like it at all. I'd rather go to Oklahoma's 8 team districts or Missouri's system of giving points per game depending on whether you are playing larger or smaller schools. Not a fan of seeing 2-7 teams in the playoffs and 7-2 teams staying home because of lopsided districts |
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Post by ndcoach on Nov 11, 2013 19:19:07 GMT -6
Imperial. We're up in Division 2 now. It is an interesting setup. Our division and the Open are brutal, but then down in Div 4 only 1 team has a winning record. |
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Post by falconattack on Nov 12, 2013 9:57:40 GMT -6
I'm with you on Kansas. I don't like it at all. I'd rather go to Oklahoma's 8 team districts or Missouri's system of giving points per game depending on whether you are playing larger or smaller schools. Not a fan of seeing 2-7 teams in the playoffs and 7-2 teams staying home because of lopsided districts Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/61809/playoff-time-kansas#ixzz2kRnXQfnaIn 6A this season, we actually had a team go 1-8....wait for it....and made the playoffs !!! Not so funny when you have to live the consequences. |
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Post by wingtol on Nov 12, 2013 16:18:50 GMT -6
PA-- 4 classes A-AAAA State is divided into districts, 12 total I think, each district holds their own district playoffs. Usually 3-4 weeks some are 1 or 2 depending on number of teams. District winners advance to the state bracket. 4 rounds of that and title games are Dec 12/13 this year, usually A/AAA and AA/AAAA same day.
Think there are about 600 schools playing football in PA now so each class has about 150 schools competing for a state title. I like it, some don't. Makes a title all that more special when there are so many teams in each class. Not that it usually isn't the same handful of teams each year, but I still like the way the classes are set up.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 12, 2013 16:24:50 GMT -6
I saw one post in here about a point system determining who makes the playoffs. Because I'm so close to connecticut I've always followed their high school football as well and they use a point system. They have 4 classes. LL being the largest. LL, L, M, S. You earn points based on the level of your opponent. Sounds like a decent system but I remember back about 15 years ago, a team was 10-1 in the regular season and didn't make it. Only 8 teams make it per class. If you're around 6-4 you usually have No shot at making the post season.
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 13, 2013 20:09:45 GMT -6
PA-- 4 classes A-AAAA State is divided into districts, 12 total I think, each district holds their own district playoffs. Usually 3-4 weeks some are 1 or 2 depending on number of teams. District winners advance to the state bracket. 4 rounds of that and title games are Dec 12/13 this year, usually A/AAA and AA/AAAA same day. Think there are about 600 schools playing football in PA now so each class has about 150 schools competing for a state title. I like it, some don't. Makes a title all that more special when there are so many teams in each class. Not that it usually isn't the same handful of teams each year, but I still like the way the classes are set up. That is what I hate about our playoffs. 7 'champions' for 200 schools. Silly thing that nobody seems to argue with is that for EVERY other sport, there are only 4 champions (one for each division) In states that DON'T water down the playoffs and so far as the 7-3/8-2/9-1 teams that DON'T make the playoffs b/c of their division: here's a thought, just WIN your division. That top dog that you need to beat to win the conference/region/district; well then you need to beat them to qualify for the playoffs. And guess what: you probably need to beat them again in the playoffs. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 2:16:11 GMT -6
PA-- 4 classes A-AAAA State is divided into districts, 12 total I think, each district holds their own district playoffs. Usually 3-4 weeks some are 1 or 2 depending on number of teams. District winners advance to the state bracket. 4 rounds of that and title games are Dec 12/13 this year, usually A/AAA and AA/AAAA same day. Think there are about 600 schools playing football in PA now so each class has about 150 schools competing for a state title. I like it, some don't. Makes a title all that more special when there are so many teams in each class. Not that it usually isn't the same handful of teams each year, but I still like the way the classes are set up. That is what I hate about our playoffs. 7 'champions' for 200 schools. Silly thing that nobody seems to argue with is that for EVERY other sport, there are only 4 champions (one for each division) In states that DON'T water down the playoffs and so far as the 7-3/8-2/9-1 teams that DON'T make the playoffs b/c of their division: here's a thought, just WIN your division. That top dog that you need to beat to win the conference/region/district; well then you need to beat them to qualify for the playoffs. And guess what: you probably need to beat them again in the playoffs. Completely agree. |
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