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Post by shocktroop34 on Oct 24, 2013 8:13:46 GMT -6
Coaches, I'm trying to assess the best way to conduct the preparation we do on the weekend after a Friday night game (H.S.). I'm curious about what type of time you spend game planning in conjunction with your record. In other words, how much time do you need to spend in order to win? If you could: provide your weekend schedule and your current record (or previous records if you wish). Thanks in advance.
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 24, 2013 8:28:51 GMT -6
Your team's record should have nothing to do with it. You should prepare the same way whether you are 0-6 or 6-0.
Also, if you are asking to state your team's record to see if the more time you spend correlates to more wins, isn't necessary accurate. A staff could spend 30 minutes together on saturday and go undefeated and a staff could meet for 10 hours a weekend and go 3-8. It ultimately comes down to how you practice and how good your athletes are. The staff can't play on Friday nights.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Oct 24, 2013 8:50:15 GMT -6
What you are stating is a matter of opinion. If you can't respond to the request then I respectfully ask that you not respond at all. People like myself come on this site looking for help and insight, not a debate over semantics. As I previously stated, I'm trying to assess (within my own program) if the time that I'm puttng forth is matching up with other successful programs. I'm aware that there are many other factors that contribute to winning (talent level, facilities, staff, finances, etc.), but I was simply trying to see if there was a correlation between time spent and winning games.
To the coaches that wish to respond appropriately this would be all I'm looking for: We meet on Sundays' from 9am-noon. We are 6-1.
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Post by fantom on Oct 24, 2013 9:01:40 GMT -6
What you are stating is a matter of opinion. If you can't respond to the request then I respectfully ask that you not respond at all. People like myself come on this site looking for help and insight, not a debate over semantics. As I previously stated, I'm trying to assess (within my own program) if the time that I'm puttng forth is matching up with other successful programs. I'm aware that there are many other factors that contribute to winning (talent level, facilities, staff, finances, etc.), but I was simply trying to see if there was a correlation between time spent and winning games. To the coaches that wish to respond appropriately this would be all I'm looking for: We meet on Sundays' from 9am-noon. We are 6-1. Well if it's a Facebook "Paste and Share" game that you want I'll play: We meet as a staff on Sunday from 5 PM to 9. We're 4-4. |
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 24, 2013 9:04:47 GMT -6
We are terrible
I spend 2-3 hours on sat and Sunday watching our film and next opponent film
Then we meet as a staff on Sundays from 6-8:30
We are a competitive 1-6
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Post by shocktroop34 on Oct 24, 2013 9:14:17 GMT -6
Thank you Fantom...and just to clarify, I basically agree with what spos21 had to say. I'm just trying to weigh certain factors of data to see if/how I might be able to refine my efforts. This was not an attempt to insult those who are unsuccessful or highlight those that are. It is simply me needing help at looking at what others do in order to ascertain the best course for my program going forward.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Oct 24, 2013 9:15:39 GMT -6
Much thanks Coachbud.
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Post by jsk002 on Oct 24, 2013 9:18:25 GMT -6
7-2 --- We meet as a staff on most Sundays for about 2 hours. There are weekends where our family life comes before Football. Hudl has made it easier for us to prepare outside of a staff meeting. I spend about 6 -8 hours watching film, preparing a game plan and prepping for practice outside of this meeting. 33-17 the last 5 years making the playoffs each year. The thing about it though, is I don't really prepare any differently than when we lost 17 games in a row. So I don't think its about the amount of time you put in. I think the goal of your "homework" should be to make sure you are as efficient as possible in practice and to make sure everyone on your staff is one the same page.
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Post by fantom on Oct 24, 2013 9:21:45 GMT -6
Thank you Fantom...and just to clarify, I basically agree with what spos21 had to say. I'm just trying to weigh certain factors of data to see if/how I might be able to refine my efforts. This was not an attempt to insult those who are unsuccessful or highlight those that are. It is simply me needing help at looking at what others do in order to ascertain the best course for my program going forward. The thing is I agree with spos21. The schedule tht we use now is the same one that we used last year when we were 4-6. That was the same one that we used at our old school where, from 2008-2012, we won 45 in a row. BTW, I only mentioned the weekend staff meeting. As a coordinator I spend several hours on Saturday and Sunday prepping a preliminary game plan for the meeting. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 24, 2013 9:23:35 GMT -6
Friday after the game
start wash, eat some pizza, celebrate/commiserate, when film is about 1/2-2/3 uploaded start grading as a staff (offense usually goes home, HC/DC likes to get everyone's assesment )
Saturday - family time. DC and me will usually watch what is uploaded.
Sunday
Kids come in at 2
team meeting
one side watches film, other side lifts
flip
kids are out about 4:30ish
5:30 staff meal and staff meeting
O/D staff meets (split staff) until finished and ready to roll on Monday.
Total time about
F - 2.5
Su 6-8
total as a staff pushing 10 hours
Record
5-3
but we're using a blue print from our previous stop that was pretty successful.
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Post by coachphillip on Oct 24, 2013 9:54:31 GMT -6
OC and myself, DC, watch about three hours of film Saturday and Sunday. We get together our gameplan outlines and meet with the rest of the staff on Sunday for two hours. So, about 6 hours of film. 2 hours of meeting. 8 hours total. I watch film everyday for at least 1 hour before practice so it stays fresh. We are currently 5-2. Biggest factor in the difference from 5-2 and 1-6 was staff continuity and player talent.
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Post by pvogel on Oct 24, 2013 10:30:48 GMT -6
We are terrible I spend 2-3 hours on sat and Sunday watching our film and next opponent film Then we meet as a staff on Sundays from 6-8:30 We are a competitive 1-6 Similar boat. Except our Sunday meetings start at 4. And vary in length. But we are an noncompetitive 1-7 |
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Post by realdawg on Oct 24, 2013 10:46:55 GMT -6
Friday night-start the wash, watch a little film, celebrate, misery whatever, myself and DC chart the tackles after everyone is gone. Usually about 2 hrs total. Saturday staff meets at 9. We start breaking down opponents. Break down every play in the last two games, create formation chart for formation tendencies, go over checks and everything that might give us some problems. Do down and distance tendencies usually done about 3. For the record offense is usually done about 1. The rest of Saturday is for family. Sunday morning, grade position group on my own. Usually takes about two more hours. Watch a little more video on opponent Sunday night and each day throughout the week. So total on weekends 10 hours give or take. We are 8-0.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Oct 24, 2013 10:58:41 GMT -6
Very insightful posts. Thank you all for sharing.
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 24, 2013 11:23:31 GMT -6
Friday Night - My wife puts the 2 Camera Angles into HUDL, ODK, D&D, YL&Hash & Publishes
Saturday Morning (About 4 hours)
.....Coaches arrive at 7:00 AM. Grade our game film from last night
.....Players arrive at 8:00 AM. Watch game with position group for 1 hour.
.....Move to Offensive/Defensive groups and watch special teams for 15-30 minutes (depends on number of ST plays)
.....Once trade film is in, each coach is responsible for 2-3 columns only for data entry. Once that data is in, they are good to go. Usually finish by about 11:00 AM.
Sunday Night (About 1.5 hours)
.....Defensive staff meets from 5:00-6:30 at my house. Go over their offense and watch film for about 60 minutes, fill in practice schedules for the week and leave.
Coaches are free to track additional columns in HUDL or do additional work for their position group, and the OC/DC have to gameplan, do reports and some additional work, but that comes with the job.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 24, 2013 12:06:32 GMT -6
Post by cqmiller on Oct 24, 2013 13:23:31 GMT -4
Friday Night - My wife puts the 2 Camera Angles into HUDL, ODK, D&D, YL&Hash & Publishes
she got a sister?!?!?!?
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Post by shocktroop34 on Oct 24, 2013 12:18:19 GMT -6
CQmiller you're a motivator! Wife on hudl?! Gotta love that. That is a whole other thread to be started on its own.
I like how you assign coaches to enter data. Any issues arise from that? Dependability? Accuracy? Very nice though. Also, how much longer do your OC/DC put in, in comparison to the position coaches?
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 24, 2013 12:24:50 GMT -6
Post by cqmiller on Oct 24, 2013 13:23:31 GMT -4 Friday Night - My wife puts the 2 Camera Angles into HUDL, ODK, D&D, YL&Hash & Publishes she got a sister?!?!?!? Yes... hot one... but married with 3 kids |
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 24, 2013 12:32:40 GMT -6
This was the original schedule before season:6:55 – 7:00 AM = Coaches Check In 7:00 – 7:15 AM = Data Entry for Friday Night’s Game • DL = Personnel & Front • LB = Stunt & Blitz • DB = Coverage & Result • QB = Personnel, Formation, Strength • RB = Backfield, Motion, Play • WR = Play Type, Direction, Option • OL = Start Grading OL • Any Additional Columns You Track 7:15 – 7:45 AM = Watch Friday’s Game as Staff 7:45 – 7:55 AM = Discuss Emphasis for All Meetings 7:55 – 8:00 AM = Players Arrive (Take Roll in Classrooms) 8:00 – 8:55 AM = Position Group Film Meetings • OL/RB = Griffel’s Room • QB/WR = Coach’s Office • DL = Allred’s Room • LB = Weight Room • DB = Miller’s Room • Managers = Laundry (Madson/Allred) 8:55 – 9:00 AM = Bathroom & Water Break 9:00 – 9:25 AM = Special Teams Film Meetings • Defensive Teams = Allred’s Room • Offensive Teams = Griffel’s Room 9:25 – 9:30 AM = Players to Field for 15 Minute Stretch & 1-Mile Jog with Coach Allred 10:00 AM = Players Released (Remind them to do HUDL Highlights ASAP) 9:30 – 10:30 AM = Coaches Grade Friday Night Game • Position Coaches o List of All Players Played and Grades for Every Play o Comments on Excellent Examples of Positive and Negative Play o Recommendations for Off/Def/ST Player of the Game Due to Coordinator by 10:30 AM • Coordinators Evaluate Overall Play of Unit & Determine Areas of Improvement 10:30 AM – Noon = Scout Film Data Entry • OL = ODK • RB = Down & Distance • WR = Yardline & Hash • OC = Defensive Personnel, Defensive Front, Defensive Stunt, Defensive Blitz, Coverage • DL = Play Type • LB = Play Direction • DB = Option • DC = Off. Personnel, Off. Formation, Off. Strength, Backfield, Motion, Play • Once Basic Columns are Complete, Enter All Data That You Track as Position Coaches to Create Reports NOON = Coaches Free to Go Home and Do Scouting Report Work • OL/RB = Defensive Line (Both) & LB’s (Run) • WR = Defensive Backs (Both) & LB’s (Pass) • QB = Entire Defense (Both) • DB = Wide Receivers (Both) & TE’s (Pass) • LB = Running Backs (Both) & TE’s (Run) • DL = Offensive Line (Both) • Special Teams Coaches Report on Their Opposing Special Team o Detailed Reports on Snappers, Kickers, Returners SUNDAY NOON = All Scouting Reports Emailed or Shared with Me • I’ll Compile Reports into Full Scouting Report 5:30 – 7:00 PM = Defensive Gameplan Meeting @ My House • Go Over Defensive Scouting Report & Fill-In Practice Schedule for Week 7:00 – 8:30 PM = Offensive Gameplan Meeting @ My House • Go Over Offensive Scouting Report & Fill In Practice Schedule for Week Once we realized that most of us didn't go to sleep Friday night until after we had watched most of the film at least once, we started to get the data put in before we got there on Saturday morning. We moved the grading up to 1st thing, which moved everything else up 1 hour.In terms of "accuracy" of things... the OC/DC are really the only ones who put any scheme or terminology into the system. Everyone else just gets the data that anyone could get from the film in there. Game script from night before makes it easy to make sure all calls are in correctly on our film, with trade film, if the OC knows the WR coach is on the EXACT same page with what we call opponents blitzes and formations, then the OC/DC can delegate some responsibility to other guys to speed things up. When we had the clinic here last year I had to keep jgordon1 away from her when he found out about the HUDL stuff
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Post by newhope on Oct 24, 2013 12:49:29 GMT -6
Defense comes in about 9 on Sunday. Everyone else comes in at 1:30. We do specials and whole team related stuff then. Offense stays until about 6:00-6:30 (whenever we think we're done). I have already watched all film on Saturday as have many of the coaches. Def Coordinator comes back alone Sunday night and does some more work. We're 5-4, did same thing last year, 7-5, and year before, 7-7. It was what they were used to doing when I got here, so I kept it.
At my previous school, we all came in about 1 pm. We watched film together and planned until about 6 or so. Had some younger coaches in another room labeling film, drawing up formations, etc. Another coach made cutups for our players. DC and I had already watched film on Saturday. We were something like 53-14 over the last 5 years doing that.
Both work fine, and I don't either has anything at all to do with our record.
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 24, 2013 22:06:19 GMT -6
Friday Night - My wife puts the 2 Camera Angles into HUDL, ODK, D&D, YL&Hash & Publishes Saturday Morning (About 4 hours) .....Coaches arrive at 7:00 AM. Grade our game film from last night .....Players arrive at 8:00 AM. Watch game with position group for 1 hour. .....Move to Offensive/Defensive groups and watch special teams for 15-30 minutes (depends on number of ST plays) .....Once trade film is in, each coach is responsible for 2-3 columns only for data entry. Once that data is in, they are good to go. Usually finish by about 11:00 AM. Sunday Night (About 1.5 hours) .....Defensive staff meets from 5:00-6:30 at my house. Go over their offense and watch film for about 60 minutes, fill in practice schedules for the week and leave. Coaches are free to track additional columns in HUDL or do additional work for their position group, and the OC/DC have to gameplan, do reports and some additional work, but that comes with the job. i only read the first line of your post... i stopped reading after that and hit the quote button to tell you that you have an awesome wife |
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Post by coach2013 on Oct 25, 2013 10:39:32 GMT -6
What you are stating is a matter of opinion. If you can't respond to the request then I respectfully ask that you not respond at all. People like myself come on this site looking for help and insight, not a debate over semantics. As I previously stated, I'm trying to assess (within my own program) if the time that I'm puttng forth is matching up with other successful programs. I'm aware that there are many other factors that contribute to winning (talent level, facilities, staff, finances, etc.), but I was simply trying to see if there was a correlation between time spent and winning games. To the coaches that wish to respond appropriately this would be all I'm looking for: We meet on Sundays' from 9am-noon. We are 6-1. We are at one game above .500 and do not meet Saturday or Sundays. We all watch HUDL and all share observations through email. We all scout on Friday or Saturday, video tape whatever games we scout. We make scout cards- we worry much more about our own performance, looking at what our kids are failing to do (response to coaching?) than anything else. I do not know how many hours I put in but Id guess it was quite a bit on Sat and Sun. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 25, 2013 10:46:33 GMT -6
We're 8-0 looking to go 9-0 tonight.
We meet as a staff 9am to noon on Saturday. I don't watch any film after that all weekend. That may change a little next week when we get to the playoffs.
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Post by coach2013 on Oct 25, 2013 12:46:29 GMT -6
We're 8-0 looking to go 9-0 tonight. We meet as a staff 9am to noon on Saturday. I don't watch any film after that all weekend. That may change a little next week when we get to the playoffs. Thats amazing. Everyone asks me if I saw this college game or that pro game...and I say "it was on but I was watching our game on hudl"....or the next team we play. Maybe I need to step away from it and just enjoy life from noon on sat til mon |
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Post by coachc53 on Oct 25, 2013 15:41:16 GMT -6
We meet Saturday 8-noon and Sunday 9-1...
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Post by jg78 on Oct 26, 2013 0:44:07 GMT -6
We're 8-0 looking to go 9-0 tonight. We meet as a staff 9am to noon on Saturday. I don't watch any film after that all weekend. That may change a little next week when we get to the playoffs. Thats amazing. Everyone asks me if I saw this college game or that pro game...and I say "it was on but I was watching our game on hudl"....or the next team we play. Maybe I need to step away from it and just enjoy life from noon on sat til mon I like to sit down on my couch on Saturday and break down film from my computer while watching college games on TV. I'm a single guy with no kids, so there are no other distractions around or significant responsibilities that I have to tend to during the weekends. So it doesn't really matter if it takes me a little longer to finish by doing it that way. I have plenty of time for it and we're not going to deviate too much from what we do anyway in terms of scheme. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 26, 2013 0:56:01 GMT -6
Friday Night - My wife puts the 2 Camera Angles into HUDL, ODK, D&D, YL&Hash & Publishes Saturday Morning (About 4 hours) .....Coaches arrive at 7:00 AM. Grade our game film from last night .....Players arrive at 8:00 AM. Watch game with position group for 1 hour. .....Move to Offensive/Defensive groups and watch special teams for 15-30 minutes (depends on number of ST plays) .....Once trade film is in, each coach is responsible for 2-3 columns only for data entry. Once that data is in, they are good to go. Usually finish by about 11:00 AM. Sunday Night (About 1.5 hours) .....Defensive staff meets from 5:00-6:30 at my house. Go over their offense and watch film for about 60 minutes, fill in practice schedules for the week and leave. Coaches are free to track additional columns in HUDL or do additional work for their position group, and the OC/DC have to gameplan, do reports and some additional work, but that comes with the job. I tried teaching my wife how to do these things saying "if you help me, I'll have more time to spend with you." Didn't fly. We don't really meet as a staff. Everybody breaks down Hudl on their own. We finished 1-8. I truly believe it's because our HC doesn't believe in meetings and group brainstorming. |
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Post by coachphillip on Oct 26, 2013 9:35:55 GMT -6
I've worked with a couple guys who didn't believe in weekend meetings at all. They kept saying "We know our stuff. There's no reason to meet up." We went 0-10 that year. One of the worst years of my coaching career. I would walk in Monday without any idea of how our OC wanted to attack the defense. He would tell me what to work on with the OL on the way to the field from the office. He would be upset that certain adjustments weren't in that he never communicated to the staff. I think you can get away with that kind of stuff if you've been together for years and truly do know each other and your system. But, even then, communication amongst staff never hurts. Relating this back to the OP's original purpose of this post, I do think there is a correlation between self preparedness in the form of meetings/communication amongst staff and offensive/defensive production or practice efficiency.
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Post by coach2013 on Oct 26, 2013 10:44:55 GMT -6
we also dont change our schemes or do much different from week to week. we might change personnel some based on their skills but our defense is our defense and our offense is our offense regardless of what the other teams do.
Its the weekend now, we will only communicate through email and meet up on Monday. We have all scouted our next team up. (we won yesterday)
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 26, 2013 11:13:39 GMT -6
Thats amazing. Everyone asks me if I saw this college game or that pro game...and I say "it was on but I was watching our game on hudl"....or the next team we play. Maybe I need to step away from it and just enjoy life from noon on sat til mon Generally after we leave the team meeting on Saturday I go home, eat lunch, nap maybe, mow the yard, mess around, maybe watch a game and then about 5 or 6 me and my wife and the two kids go somewhere for supper. Sunday I sleep in, run 3.5 miles, eat lunch, cut my hair, shower and just be lazy the rest of the day and play with the wife and kids.
I've never been a big watch film guy. I don't know what the heck you guys are looking for after you've got their formations and plays written out. Even as a DC I only watched it twice. Wrote down formations, plays and down and distance. After that, personally, I think you're just putting in time to say you put in time. To each their own however.
BTW- this is our second consecutive 9-0 season and we have a 24 game regular season winning streak currently in tact. We're 25-5 over the past three years. |
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