Hudl breakdown would you pay?

Dude, you need to learn to relax.

The point that I was trying to make, the point that I think most here will understand, is that there's no need to take up the coordinator's time with mundane tasks like data entry if there is an alternative.

divide & conquer. it doesn't take very long for a coach to input the D/D... another to do formations etc. Then, when you trade, you trade the basic breakdown data (odk, d/d, yd, gn/ls) and there is time already spent. I.e. someone does your game the night of (or before you trade it) then you aren't having to do any other games from your opponent. You do 1 game - yours.

maybe this seems silly to me, we have a staff that does this ourselves - each one of the "breakdown" coaches has a specific duty to get done. We trade 2 games early (Thursday) and only have 1 game to do on Saturday morning (Friday's game). We trade as much breakdown data as we can with other staffs.

in fact, you can "breakdown" the game the very first time you watch it. one coach calls out down/dist/yd, another calls out formation, another front, etc. - whatever data you want, have a coach call it out as you watch the game. can either write it on paper & input later or type it in as you watch it. blow it up on a big screen & do it as a staff. watch the game don't game plan the game. no "run that back...are they using #22 as a decoy?"... do that stuff later. get the game broke down. can do a game in an hour that way. 3 hours later, all your games are broken down & labeled. take a quick lunch break then start "game planning" by pulling reports, watching video in specific segments.

the more moving parts something has (the more it's outsourced) the more potential problems outside of your control.

What else? playing golf, fishing, spending time with my family.... I could do all kinds of things if I didn't this job.

We watch the games.  We break them down as we watch them.  So, if you are watching the game offsite and entering my data for me during that time, what will I be doing?  probably, uh, still watching that game film.  So, I'm missing the point.  You're watching it anyway.  You can a) watch it with no data and keep it that way  b) watch it & put data to it the 1st time you watch it  c) outsource it to another staff member(s) or to some fictional company that will do it for you.

now, you control c) if it is handled on staff.  you will still likely have to modify a few things but not much.  you lose quite a bit of control if the trade is occurring out of your hands and the fictional breakdown is being done offsite and by someone not on your staff - you don't have immediate access to speak with, help, encourage, etc.

really, this seems somewhat silly ... 

if we must play along, then what other duties need to be done during the day on saturday and does everyone have to do each duty or can we delegate?  can some coaches work the team out, can others do laundry & clean up, can others do input of data, etc....  if your staff isn't large enough, is your budget?  if you don't trust your own coaches to do a good job, you're now going to trust joe computer guy?

can you modify the film  trade parameters to help with this time burden?  i.e. trade earlier, trade breakdown data (i mean a 1st a 10 from the right has on the 30 here in Texas is probably a 1st and 10 from the right hash on the 30 over in Louisiana... so why not just trade that stuff?).  what efforts can be made on this end - nothing financial - to help alleviate all this burden?  go down that road first.

exactly.

The logistics of the service would mean it would have to come at a premium, let alone the QC required to gain a true benefit from it.

There is VALUE to it, but the COST may not be justified.

To make the COST worth it, you'd have to have a provider that could
1. guarantee this is done by 10 a.m. Saturday morning at the latest
2. guarantee that at the minimum the D&D, ODK, Gain, BC, hash is entered
3. If you want more, now I have to have someone on staff to verify you did what I ordered (i.e. formation/front naming, play name, etc)

The staff will still be conducting a film session, will still be watching that film throughout the week. 

Its a lot like, would you pay someone to edge your yard? Well, if you're going to be mowing the yard anyway, what benefit do I get to have someone take a weedeater to it? I'm already going to be outside working, so I may as well muscle through and do the edging, too....

The price would have to be low enough to justify purchasing the service for a minimum of 10 games and also so low that it would compel you to take away this menial grunt work for assistants to grind/learn.  

I know we've had discussions on this a decade ago regarding drawing up scout cards vs storing them on a PPT.....or breaking down film from tape vs cataloging digitally.....



THAT being said, I could see a staff using the service, PARTICULARLY if you inherit off-season film of your former years / opponents.  That would make a huge difference, IMO, when all I want to do in March is review all the 1st & 10 plays of my conference opponents.

I'm not currently coaching at the varsity level due to family and other issues. I do watch the HS games on hudld and the current staff doesn't input data into hudl. None. Due to a number of different reasons. Honestly when I use hudl I watch it and scout like I did live with a notebook.

Someone mentioned a team flipping their Ol and such. The funny thing is many years we have flipped our Ol and teams didn't pick up on it. I started this thread after just having a conversation and not as a fishing trip for a future line of work. I'm not saying that's what anyone thinks but I just wanted to make that clear. With that said there are a number of good coaches out there for one reason or another aren't coaching but want to be involved in the game in some manner. So it doesn't mean joe blow is out there is out there putting the information in.

I would say more but I have a clinic

Call me crazy but I like breaking down film. It gets my mind right and it's me time. I'm able to think game planning while I'm doing it and it's just me and one other coach that does it and it's super fast too get done.

Did it the old fashion way when I first started and if there was no hudl then yes I would pay to have it done. But hudl is so easy why would you waist the money?

Awesome, you have no need for this Coach. Kudos for your hard work.

But, do you think that type of custom report you do is the norm for coaching staffs? I don't. A very basic version of what you're describing is going to be light years ahead of anything else your average coaching staff has now.

You really think your staff isn't maximizing your use of HUDL? By that post you are using it just like you're suppose to. When someone said teams don't use it to it's full potential, they meant the teams that just put the game film in and thats it. No tags.

We use Hudl. But it is the only the exchange only option. I would love to have had the breakdown option of the film instead of having to hand write it or try to memorize it.

As a GA and a restricted earnings coach when I was really young film breakdown along with practice set up and study table supervision was all I did for two years. I learned a ton. That is essentially quality control at many colleges. I did this for one season at a high school as well where I was dc for 4 years when my job changed. I brokedown o and d during the week for the next game an helped gameplan. It saves time if the person is good. We were on hudl then. A lot of trust must exist those situations.

cenglish56

What are young, hungry coaches for, if not to enter data at 2 AM on a Friday night. I had to pay my dues as a pup coach and this is the way that the new guys are paying theirs. Also, I want the parents as far away from the wheelhouse of the program as I can get them.