eric58
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Post by eric58 on Oct 17, 2007 15:32:56 GMT -6
Just curious to see what are the chances Tom Osborne comes back to coach at Nebraska? I hope he gives it one more run and brings the option back to NU. He did a lot with just the homegrown kids. GO OSBORNE! p.s. I highly recommend seeing the documentary on coach Osborne "More than Winning"
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Post by CoachJ on Oct 17, 2007 15:39:22 GMT -6
I don't think he wants to coach again.
Interesting name I seen floated around is Paul Johnson to bring the "option game" back. Not sure that will happen, but other names on the wish list include: Levitt, Glenn, Gill, Peterson (Boise State), and Brian Kelly from Cincinnati.
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Post by brophy on Oct 17, 2007 16:09:52 GMT -6
he is has been a senator for the last 10 years now, right?
Charlie McBride was where it was at.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 17, 2007 16:25:28 GMT -6
just bring power football, option football back to N and Ill be happy
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Post by hemlock on Oct 17, 2007 16:51:03 GMT -6
With all do respect, I disagree with the above postings. Not that Dr. Tom is not a legend, but the fact is that Pederson did make the right long-term call for Nebraska football when fired Solich. Yes, Solich was 9-3 and had some fine seasons, but you simply cannot beat the big boys playing the type of football that he advocated. If you are going to run the option and play consistently with the big boys you have to do it out of some type of a spread concept.
Also, Osborne got out at the right time. It has taken about ten years for the effects of scholarship reductions to really have an impact but they are now. Osborne would never have the type of success today as he had before.
Yes, I know that UN has hit a bit of a rough patch, but Bill Callahan is a fine, fine football coach and at some level I would argue that he is a far more progressive coach than what Nebraska has ever had in the past. Changing the culture of a program and a state is very hard and to judge someone and his program on a tough patch is a bad thing. I know the Chancellor hired Osborne so that he could bring the Athletic Department together and talk to the boosters. That's fine, but its not going to change things for the better in the long haul. Nebraska cannot go back to the past. Osborne, who is very diplomatic, will fire Callahan at the end of the season; he is not a proponent of Callahan's style of football. In the end, and I may be wrong, I believe that this will set the program back even further. My advice would be to let Callahan right the ship; remember, last year they got things rolling - did he forget how to coach? Obviously, the answer is no.
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Post by dubber on Oct 17, 2007 16:54:15 GMT -6
Interesting name I seen floated around is Paul Johnson to bring the "option game" back. . I would freakin love this! |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 17, 2007 17:31:34 GMT -6
I have never been impressed with Callahan. I'm lost to what exactly he has done that is impressive.
I love the Paul Johnson stuff. I might have to become a Nebraska fanatic again if that happened.
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Post by davecisar on Oct 17, 2007 18:30:10 GMT -6
With all do respect, I disagree with the above postings. Not that Dr. Tom is not a legend, but the fact is that Pederson did make the right long-term call for Nebraska football when fired Solich. Yes, Solich was 9-3 and had some fine seasons, but you simply cannot beat the big boys playing the type of football that he advocated. If you are going to run the option and play consistently with the big boys you have to do it out of some type of a spread concept. Also, Osborne got out at the right time. It has taken about ten years for the effects of scholarship reductions to really have an impact but they are now. Osborne would never have the type of success today as he had before. Yes, I know that UN has hit a bit of a rough patch, but Bill Callahan is a fine, fine football coach and at some level I would argue that he is a far more progressive coach than what Nebraska has ever had in the past. Changing the culture of a program and a state is very hard and to judge someone and his program on a tough patch is a bad thing. I know the Chancellor hired Osborne so that he could bring the Athletic Department together and talk to the boosters. That's fine, but its not going to change things for the better in the long haul. Nebraska cannot go back to the past. Osborne, who is very diplomatic, will fire Callahan at the end of the season; he is not a proponent of Callahan's style of football. In the end, and I may be wrong, I believe that this will set the program back even further. My advice would be to let Callahan right the ship; remember, last year they got things rolling - did he forget how to coach? Obviously, the answer is no. From someone that has missed just a handful of jhome games since 1970 as well as Bowl Games and a season ticket holder: Osborne is a genius, he won then and he would win now. He never had the best talent, he could flat out coach and relate to players. Callahan is not a college coach. His west coast offense just will not work at the college level with the shorter practice times. The WCO is a generation behind what works in college football. BTW Callahans decision making skills are terrible., Hired his buddy cosgrove to be the DC, a guy that was horrible at his last job and this year, with his own kids in the 4th year has a defense that ranks 96th-114th in most catagories and has given up a recored 4 40 point games as well as multiple 600 yard games including one vs the mighty Ball State. BTW we have had NO major injuries. Callahan cant even get plays in on time and last week we ran 2 defensive plays with 10 on the field. We are CONSTANTLY burning timeouts to save the 25 sec clock and average over 2 delay of game penalties a game wnile he searches for play to run then sends 4 kids in, a package every DC from the other team knows what they will run. Pee Wee football stuff. Tom will get a great coach in here, it will not be a pure option guy, but a run/pass guy that knows defense or at least wont hire his hapless buddy. They had a huge party the day cosgrove left Wisconsin and THE VERY NEXT YEAR had a top 10 defense. Not Being in the top 25 is NOT ROLLING. He gets outcoached all the time. BTW Callahan stripped the football area of anything that was from the days of old and had only spoke to Osborne once before Monday. All the all-americans pics, gone, all the championship pics, gone, Devaney, Osborne, NOTHING, Nothing there but a bunch of NFL cr-p/ and one measly weak worthless Big 12 North Crown. His schemes stink and he lost this team just like he lost the Raider team that went from Super Bowl loser to 4-12 and he got fired. History repeating itself. Top 5-10 recruiting classes and getting blown out like this is not what top notch coaches do. College football is not the NFL, he treats it like it is and is failing. "Righting the ship" how does finishing out of the top 25 qualify as righting the ship? HE has not done anything here and has a FAR WORSE record than Solich had, rememeber Solich was fired after a 10-3 yeara and two yeaars removed from playing in a NAtional Title game. Oh yes what a big imporvement callahan has been. Not by any reasonable standard. |
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Post by midlineqb on Oct 17, 2007 20:29:00 GMT -6
I think Nebraska might be a situation similar to what occurred at Tulsa Union HS when their coach retired and they hired Wright from Indiana who brought in the option offense. After he left after one year and they hired the coach they have now who has gone back to the spread, and is winning again. It comes down to what the athletes are buying into and how patient the administration is. JMO
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Post by burtledog on Oct 17, 2007 20:49:47 GMT -6
He stripped the glory walls. That is poor judgement on a couple of marks. 1. It ticks everyone off. 2. All those kids from NE and those recruited to go to NU are going to be part of a great tradition. He just gutted the tradition before he lost his first game. You could see how silly it was when he did nothing to compromise his system to the former Solich recruited power and option players.
Greg
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Post by tog on Oct 18, 2007 5:53:12 GMT -6
He stripped the glory walls. That is poor judgement on a couple of marks. 1. It ticks everyone off. 2. All those kids from NE and those recruited to go to NU are going to be part of a great tradition. He just gutted the tradition before he lost his first game. You could see how silly it was when he did nothing to compromise his system to the former Solich recruited power and option players. Greg callahan stripped the walls of the hallways there of all the pictures of the past greats? if so, that just doesn't seem right or smart |
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Post by davecisar on Oct 18, 2007 6:01:43 GMT -6
WCO does not work at the college level? really? does norm chow ring a bell? that stuff doesnt work eh? USC doesnt work eh? Did they not say the same thing about Pete carroll? What happened to if you havent run you really cant have an opinion on it? Pete Carroll was on the radio here and claims they do NOT run the WCO. Walsh couldnt even make it work well at the college level. |
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Post by davecisar on Oct 18, 2007 6:04:18 GMT -6
He stripped the glory walls. That is poor judgement on a couple of marks. 1. It ticks everyone off. 2. All those kids from NE and those recruited to go to NU are going to be part of a great tradition. He just gutted the tradition before he lost his first game. You could see how silly it was when he did nothing to compromise his system to the former Solich recruited power and option players. Greg callahan stripped the walls of the hallways there of all the pictures of the past greats? if so, that just doesn't seem right or smart Not idle internet rumor. On the radio yesterday from people that were there. Straight from the horses mouth, Dave Humm, Tony Davis and Matt Davison as well as radio guys that have been there. Now its in the papers as former players are coming out of the woodworks to voice their concerns. This will all be over at seasons end and Callahan and Cosgrove doubtfull as college football coaches. Even more will come out when they are gone. In the papers kids claiming they dont know what to do. All of them playing tenatively, some out of position if you watch ANY of the games. On defense we are still often shifting as the offense snaps the ball, not once a game, but 5-6 -7-8 times a game. Our best reciever Mo Purify often has to ask the other recievers what he is supposed to be doing, and he's a Senior. The scheme is just wrong for college football the way it is being run here both on offense and defense. The kids dont believe in it, it doesnt work and the coaches dont make adjustments. Its terrible. As with most smartest in the room types they DO NOT ADJUST, they arrogantly assume it's the kids fault and they plod on IE remember Callahans Dumbest team in America, comment. Simpify it and build the offense around the playmakers you HAVE most reasonable people would think. Versus Missouri We STAYED WITH A 3 MAN FRONT the entire game. Not once did they come out of it. They asked Zach Potter why they didnt run another defense, his comment " We didnt practice another defense that week" So you take a team that is 114th in the nation in sacking QBS and you put them in a 3 man pass rush and get ZERO pressure on Chase Daniel all game. ZERO sacks, and just 1 hurry LOL. Daniel came out in the Missouri papers and called NUs defensive coaches "stubborn and arrogant, they always are" to stay in the same defense and called it "High School Stuff, something I havent seen anyone try since High School". They quoted the Miszzou OC as saying he was very surprised to see NU in that defense and even more so to see them stay in it the entire game. Cosgroves response "Sacks are overrated and theres only so much anyone can do to stop a spread offense" . Since we never sack anyone or get turnovers I can see he doesnt value either. Guess we should have just forfieted and saved us the embarrassment. It isnt just Mizzout, we have up over 600 yards to mighty Ball State, in a game the best team DID NOT WIN 41-40. Im sick of the " we are almost there, we just missed making a play by inches or a bad technique on X play by inches we missed making a TD< same excuse when we lose by 34? Football is a game of inches but teasm are blowing holes in us 10 yards wide. Guys that know football and are near the program, even coaches like Damon Benning (orange bowl MVP) and Matt Davison claim the kids we have now with the right coach and scheme could go 9-3 next year. On the other hand, doubt NU wins another game and finishes with 4 WINS this season.Some people go overboard trying to put thier own stamp on things. The tradition was not embrassed or respected. The guy is VERY arrogant, fancies himself as smartest in the room type. Not what we in Nebraskans are used to or appreciate. No tears will be shed when this guy leaves. |
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 18, 2007 6:35:23 GMT -6
I have never been impressed with Callahan. I'm lost to what exactly he has done that is impressive. I love the Paul Johnson stuff. I might have to become a Nebraska fanatic again if that happened. didnt he help dismantle the Oakland Raiders? |
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Post by davecisar on Oct 18, 2007 7:55:26 GMT -6
With all do respect, I disagree with the above postings. Not that Dr. Tom is not a legend, but the fact is that Pederson did make the right long-term call for Nebraska football when fired Solich. Yes, Solich was 9-3 and had some fine seasons, but you simply cannot beat the big boys playing the type of football that he advocated. If you are going to run the option and play consistently with the big boys you have to do it out of some type of a spread concept. Also, Osborne got out at the right time. It has taken about ten years for the effects of scholarship reductions to really have an impact but they are now. Osborne would never have the type of success today as he had before. Yes, I know that UN has hit a bit of a rough patch, but Bill Callahan is a fine, fine football coach and at some level I would argue that he is a far more progressive coach than what Nebraska has ever had in the past. Changing the culture of a program and a state is very hard and to judge someone and his program on a tough patch is a bad thing. I know the Chancellor hired Osborne so that he could bring the Athletic Department together and talk to the boosters. That's fine, but its not going to change things for the better in the long haul. Nebraska cannot go back to the past. Osborne, who is very diplomatic, will fire Callahan at the end of the season; he is not a proponent of Callahan's style of football. In the end, and I may be wrong, I believe that this will set the program back even further. My advice would be to let Callahan right the ship; remember, last year they got things rolling - did he forget how to coach? Obviously, the answer is no. Callahan has done nothing here., finishing out of the top 25 last year was not a step forward. HEfck Solich was fired after a 10-3 year and 2 years removed from playing in the NATIONAL TITLE GAME. Callahan hs done nothing here but improve recruiting, but he has not developed the kids or put them in a scheme they can succeed in. BTW NU hasnt always just run the ball, Osborne was brought in by Devaney as OC to improve the PASSING game and NU was in the top 20 in passing for many years under Osborne. Thinsk Ferragmo, Dave Humm, Johnny ROdgers etc etc. If you read the book "More than Winning" you will find Osborne did a statistical analysis on the mix he sould go to and went fat hog to the option. When he did they won 3 national titles including an unprecedented 60-3 run playing for the title in 4 of 5 straight yeaars and winning 3 of them. It was a change then and no big deal if we change now as ling as they WIN> |
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 18, 2007 8:18:02 GMT -6
Remember he got them to the superbowl vs the Bucs. and then they got old and in trouble with the cap. not sure it went quite that way, I think Gruden actually got the raiders to teh superbowl, he put the peices in place... |
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Post by mojoben on Oct 18, 2007 12:55:02 GMT -6
To be honest most coaches in the Nebraska/Kansas region aren't that fond of Bill Callahan even before this face plant. He might be a expert at the WCO offense, but there are many other attributes that he lacks overall. To be honest I just don't think he is a very good head coach. Sure as a offensive coordinator he might be the real deal, but this is the second program he has lost internally.
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Post by groundchuck on Oct 18, 2007 13:31:22 GMT -6
Stripping the "glory walls" of thier glory is dumb and egotistical and does no good for anyone. That is a stupid move regardless or what level you coach at.
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Post by coachdawhip on Oct 18, 2007 14:00:04 GMT -6
Nebraska and the option go hand and hand. Would love to see Paul Johnson their or any one to run some sort of option offense.
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Post by burtledog on Oct 18, 2007 15:08:20 GMT -6
I agree with Viscar. NU used to be the passing team in the Big8. Power I and pro-passing. Won their 70's champs with multiple I and passing. It wasn't until the mid 80's at least that Osborne did his analysis and made the big jump. And yes, it could still work with tweeking. And remember, NU ran triple option very infrequently the last several years they were an I-option team. Mainly trap and lead type stuff. It would be sweet if they did revert all the way. Maybe a little dawhip style I formation wingt and option stuff!  |
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Post by ccscoach on Oct 19, 2007 7:10:53 GMT -6
I think Turner Gill will be the next Head Coach at the University of Nebraska. He has done more in 2 years at University of Buffalo then any of the previous coaches. UB is currently 3-1 in the MAC and 3-4 overall. SU is there last non league game. Then the rest are all MAC conference game. If UB wins out and wins the MAC title then Gill is in Lincoln.
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Post by sls on Oct 19, 2007 7:16:39 GMT -6
I think Turner Gill will be the next Head Coach at the University of Nebraska. He has done more in 2 years at University of Buffalo then any of the previous coaches. UB is currently 3-1 in the MAC and 3-4 overall. SU is there last non league game. Then the rest are all MAC conference game. If UB wins out and wins the MAC title then Gill is in Lincoln. Good Call! |
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Post by CoachJ on Oct 19, 2007 9:38:00 GMT -6
While Coach Gill is revered here, I wouldnt say thats a slam dunk by any stretch. People here are leary of putting the cart before the horse. Consensus is, he is the guy after the next guy. We are all Buffalo fans here. YEs he has won more MAC games in one season than any other BU coach. They have made HUGE strides under him and that with recruiting kids to BUFFALO! Look at all the teams before him, coaching matters and this guy can coach. Again for those coaching perennial loser programs, you get noticed if you win a handful of games and get more competitive. HE is a man of integrity, a very strong Christian guy. But will be hard for him to be our next HC as no one down here feels we have to go back to 100% of what Osborne was doing to be succesful. Osborne himself said he watched 5-6 college games each Saturday and would probably run some spread option stuff if he was coaching today. The consensus ( from fans, former players and former coaches) is we have to have some NU guys on the staff, the HC does not need to be an NU guy, but not an NFL guy either. SOmeone that understands college football and the NU tradition. Osborne will open the search to everyone. Dave, Who do you think it will be? I have heard rumblings of Joe Glenn, which would be cool, but he has done so well with the Cowboys would hate to see him leave. I am not sure NU wants a 58 year old head coach, but he is from Lincoln originally. Maybe they do want him if they are looking for Gill to be the guy after the guy. |
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Post by burtledog on Oct 19, 2007 13:52:15 GMT -6
I took a look at Buffalo's espn page. They are definitely not running much option, under the center or otherwise. Looks like an aerial circus. But he is probably doing what he can to be competitve with what he has.
Greg
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Post by airman on Oct 19, 2007 14:49:34 GMT -6
osborne is the new AD from my understanding. He quit coaching cause it litterally almost killed him. they have to difib him to bring him back from his last heart condition while at nebraska.
I think he will fire coach calahan and bring back craig bohl from NDSU. Bohl has taking NDSU to the next level.
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Post by eric58 on Oct 19, 2007 19:52:57 GMT -6
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Post by burtledog on Oct 19, 2007 20:09:30 GMT -6
Hey Dave:
I must have messed up. But what I saw (Buffalo in the MAC) didn't look like option team stats at all. I will look again. I hope I am wrong as I would love to think of Gill being the option purist.
Grace Alone,
Greg
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Post by coachmacplains on Oct 19, 2007 21:50:19 GMT -6
As an NU alum it has been tough to see what's going down there. I think the quote below just about says it all as to what we'd like to see.
"Former Nebraska defensive end Chad Kelsay said he hopes Nebraska will hire someone with Cornhusker ties.
'We've been spoiled for a really long time because there's been so much continuity and success,' Kelsay said. 'We don't have to live in the past. But, to get it back to where it was, there has to be some connection to the past that embraces tradition.'"
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Post by airman on Oct 22, 2007 12:54:21 GMT -6
osborne is the new AD from my understanding. He quit coaching cause it litterally almost killed him. they have to difib him to bring him back from his last heart condition while at nebraska. I think he will fire coach calahan and bring back craig bohl from NDSU. Bohl has taking NDSU to the next level. That is very funny, Carig Bohl was fired, run out of town on a rail. His name is a bad word here, ask ANY Nebraskan. Last person on earth that would coach here. Im sure Bohl is thankful Cosgrove is here because outside of Cosgrove, Bohl was worst defensive coordinator in last 50 years, he is NOT popular here at all and STILL the butt of jokes on the radio LOL today. He was engineer of NUs 62-24 loss to Colorado where they ran the same exact play 24 times and he never adjusted. Terrible defense, the following year Bo Pelini took them to a #11 ranked defense, same kids. Thast why Pelini has so many fans here and Bohl has none, Pelini took a bench warmer, Demario Williams and in his senior year put him in a different position and made him into a plyer the pros drafted and is playing today in the NFL ,for Bohl he was a bench warmer with a "great" attitude, go figure. Osborne was NEVER brouhgt back to life, just had an irregular beat etc, he had a heart problem , never heart attack or bypass, he changed his diet and everything has been great since, not true at all. Non smoker, non drinker, etc He's not coming back to coach, but you are dead wrong about your info on both counts. Hell would freeze over before Bohl would be asked to do anything more than cut grass here. You have no idea LOL. tom osbrone had heart problems way back in the 1980s. I read in a book about him where he had to change his diet. he actually became a nonmeat eater because of his heart. as for craig bohl, you are problably right. why come back to the huskers when he will win several national championships with the NDSU. who I might add has knocked off d 1 a teams this year. as for being a bad coach. he must have not been to bad cause he was on the nu staff from 1995 under osborne. |
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Post by airman on Oct 22, 2007 14:26:11 GMT -6
tom osbrone had heart problems way back in the 1980s. I read in a book about him where he had to change his diet. he actually became a nonmeat eater because of his heart. as for craig bohl, you are problably right. why come back to the huskers when he will win several national championships with the NDSU. who I might add has knocked off d 1 a teams this year. as for being a bad coach. he must have not been to bad cause he was on the nu staff from 1995 under osborne. BAd? He failed miserably here setting some then school records etc., probably main reason Solich got fired, Bohl was fired, very next season under Pelini with the same kids and Demario Williams as a senior ( was warming the bench under Bohl) we have a #11 ranked defense. Wont matter what he did after NU he failed while he was here. Beat a DI team,thats great, beating a 1 and the season Minnesota, not that big a deal. If you lived here you would know how much he is still disliked by a huge majority of the NU football fans. He may get hired elsewhee but he has zero chance of being hired here. Ask someone that has lived here for the last 10 years and they would laugh at that suggestion, sad but true. BTW I played on a team that played NDSU ( I warmed the bench) they have a very good and long tradition of playing real smashmouth football. They had some scary dudes way back when I played, the NCC was a very tough conference. I can see why husker fans might not like him. I mean what else is there to do in nebraska but cheer for NU. So I can see how husker fans might take things personally. I mean they fed solich to the wolves because he did not win enought. what was he like 55 and 10 at nebraska. nebraska has to go through the growing pains it is currently having. the fan look back at the glory days of osbrone and they want to be a top level team again. I can see why the current coach wanted to sever ties with osborne. It makes since but it pisses off the fans. they need to find some one who will win and win now. |
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