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Post by pvogel on Oct 11, 2013 8:22:53 GMT -6
Using Hockey as an argument is a poor straw man fallacy.
1.They are professionals and that is their livelihood. Much more mutual respect since they are all colleagues in the end. 2. The Hockey culture is VERY different than the football culture. If you want to argue that football needs to change its culture, then that is a different argument. But right now the cultures are different.
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Post by pvogel on Oct 11, 2013 8:25:29 GMT -6
Also, not toget off topic but I hate the knee thing too.
And its about to get us run out of town. Because all of us gosh-darned outsiders are apparently a bunch of "classless atheists". Amazing how big of a deal these people are making it. Were having teachers talk poorly about us to students because of this issue... unreal
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 12:31:18 GMT -6
Using Hockey as an argument is a poor straw man fallacy. 1.They are professionals and that is their livelihood. Much more mutual respect since they are all colleagues in the end. 2. The Hockey culture is VERY different than the football culture. If you want to argue that football needs to change its culture, then that is a different argument. But right now the cultures are different. oh hockey has its day coming as does basketball....if only they can kill professional football...read that as killing youth and hs ball.
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Post by fantom on Oct 11, 2013 12:40:41 GMT -6
Using Hockey as an argument is a poor straw man fallacy. 1.They are professionals and that is their livelihood. Much more mutual respect since they are all colleagues in the end. 2. The Hockey culture is VERY different than the football culture. If you want to argue that football needs to change its culture, then that is a different argument. But right now the cultures are different. oh hockey has its day coming as does basketball....if only they can kill professional football...read that as killing youth and hs ball. Hockey itself will be fine. What's going away is the enforcer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 12:50:14 GMT -6
oh hockey has its day coming as does basketball....if only they can kill professional football...read that as killing youth and hs ball. Hockey itself will be fine. What's going away is the enforcer. believe whatever you like....but that is hockey and once that's gone/demonized as is the violence in it, as with football, the sport is finished...in this country.
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Post by mahonz on Oct 11, 2013 12:57:18 GMT -6
Using Hockey as an argument is a poor straw man fallacy. 1.They are professionals and that is their livelihood. Much more mutual respect since they are all colleagues in the end. 2. The Hockey culture is VERY different than the football culture. If you want to argue that football needs to change its culture, then that is a different argument. But right now the cultures are different. Nobody is using Hockey for any arguments in this Thread. The handshake line wasn't "invented" in pee wee football and then carried over to HS ball as suggested....that tradition became popular in the NHL Playoffs many many many years ago and got carried over....somehow. Maybe its a Canadian thing.....so blame them.
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Post by mahonz on Oct 11, 2013 13:02:15 GMT -6
Also, not toget off topic but I hate the knee thing too. And its about to get us run out of town. Because all of us gosh-darned outsiders are apparently a bunch of "classless atheists". Amazing how big of a deal these people are making it. Were having teachers talk poorly about us to students because of this issue... unreal Again I will ask....what would you have the players do instead? Im curious because it bugs the heck outta me too...at the pee wee levels where that action wasn't invented either as far I can tell. I've coached pee wees forever...handshake lines and taking a knee didn't exist in my World ...say pre 1990-ish.
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Post by pvogel on Oct 13, 2013 8:23:15 GMT -6
Again I will ask....what would you have the players do instead? Pull them away from the injured player. Give him space. But players should come over and it is a water break for those not hurt. But no need to make fanfare about it either way
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 13, 2013 13:17:49 GMT -6
I coach in the lowest common denominator conference in Florida where these jack wagons will do a lot of bs when up 30-40 points like: onside kick, blitz the house, throw deep, call timeouts, run trick plays, hip bump w/ players at mid field...
even after that crap I will shake hands and say "good game" I've had kids not shake/slap hands with me for whatever reason and that's a shame. I think it makes you man up and realize there's more to the game than winning... but if they banned it I wouldn't notice.
I do refuse to do this "mix it up in the middle" stuff everyone wants to do. No reason to do it in my opinion. We shook hands, we said good game, now let's go our separate ways. I want to get my talk-in and clean up over with so we can all go home.
We're a public school so it's not exactly kosher for us to pray before/after the game as it is, so an organized prayer with the other team seems even more ridiculous. We play at Christian and Catholic schools quite a bit and our players know to be quiet if there's a prayer over the loud speaker, but we don't ever pray as a team.
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