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Post by morris on Oct 8, 2013 9:17:08 GMT -6
I was wondering if any other state has taken this approach.
Several sports have “traditions” regarding post game handshakes, etc. by team members, but none of them have such action dictated by playing rules. While it is an obvious sign of sportsmanship and civility, many incidents have occurred both in Kentucky and throughout the country, where fights and conflicts have broken out. And this is not restricted to specific sports. In our state alone, incidents in soccer, football and volleyball have occurred this fall. Unfortunately, the adrenaline and effort required to participate in the sport sometimes seems to deplete the supply of judgement available to participants. After consultation with the Board of Control at its last meeting, the Commissioner is issuing the following directives and recommendations to the schools and officials regarding post game: • Following the contests, officials are to quickly and efficiently leave the playing facility following all rules mandated duties and ensure that the rules book mandated jurisdiction ends promptly. There is no need for officials to secure the game balls, shake hands with the coaches or players, or stick around the playing area for any other reason. • Officials have no role in what goes on in post game, including handshakes, etc. after jurisdiction has ended. Officials choosing to involve themselves in post game activities will be penalized appropriately; • Game management and the administration of the participating team(s) are solely responsible for what happens after the contest is concluded. It is directed that teams and individuals do not participate in organized post game handshake beyond that interaction that is required by the NFHS playing rules (i.e. the awarding of a bout winner in wrestling); • The coaches and administration of the teams are responsible for the individual conduct of the members of the team following the contest and shall be held accountable for such; and • If the decision is made to ignore this directive and participate in some form of postgame handshake against this recommendation, it is the expressed responsibility of game management and the coaches and administration of the teams to supervise the activity, to report to the KHSAA any incidents that occur. Henceforth, any incidents by an individual squad member (including coaches) or group of squad members that results in unsporting acts immediately following the contest will result in a fine against the member school athletic program, and additional penalties against the individuals or schools as deemed appropriate following investigation. It is disappointing that this action has become necessary, but enough incidents have occurred both in our state and in others, that the necessity has arrived.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 8, 2013 9:19:24 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Oct 8, 2013 9:28:08 GMT -6
It's sad that it's come to this, almost definitely an overreaction, possibly counterproductive. As I read this there will be no more handshake lines. Does this stop kids from wandering out onto the field on their own to shake hands or do something else? You can supervise a handshake line. There's no telling what might happen if the kids are just milling around. I think they made it harder to regulate post-game behavior, not easier.
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Post by woodyboyd on Oct 8, 2013 9:46:26 GMT -6
I was wondering if any other state has taken this approach.
Several sports have “traditions” regarding post game handshakes, etc. by team members, but none of them have such action dictated by playing rules. While it is an obvious sign of sportsmanship and civility, many incidents have occurred both in Kentucky and throughout the country, where fights and conflicts have broken out. And this is not restricted to specific sports. In our state alone, incidents in soccer, football and volleyball have occurred this fall. Unfortunately, the adrenaline and effort required to participate in the sport sometimes seems to deplete the supply of judgement available to participants. After consultation with the Board of Control at its last meeting, the Commissioner is issuing the following directives and recommendations to the schools and officials regarding post game: • Following the contests, officials are to quickly and efficiently leave the playing facility following all rules mandated duties and ensure that the rules book mandated jurisdiction ends promptly. There is no need for officials to secure the game balls, shake hands with the coaches or players, or stick around the playing area for any other reason. • Officials have no role in what goes on in post game, including handshakes, etc. after jurisdiction has ended. Officials choosing to involve themselves in post game activities will be penalized appropriately; • Game management and the administration of the participating team(s) are solely responsible for what happens after the contest is concluded. It is directed that teams and individuals do not participate in organized post game handshake beyond that interaction that is required by the NFHS playing rules (i.e. the awarding of a bout winner in wrestling); • The coaches and administration of the teams are responsible for the individual conduct of the members of the team following the contest and shall be held accountable for such; and • If the decision is made to ignore this directive and participate in some form of postgame handshake against this recommendation, it is the expressed responsibility of game management and the coaches and administration of the teams to supervise the activity, to report to the KHSAA any incidents that occur. Henceforth, any incidents by an individual squad member (including coaches) or group of squad members that results in unsporting acts immediately following the contest will result in a fine against the member school athletic program, and additional penalties against the individuals or schools as deemed appropriate following investigation. It is disappointing that this action has become necessary, but enough incidents have occurred both in our state and in others, that the necessity has arrived.
Are you in Kentucky? I received this exact email yesterday. Are handshakes ending in other states as well?
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 8, 2013 9:51:28 GMT -6
I wish we did I hate the post game handshake
It's a little kid youth sports thing that somehow got carried over into high school
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Post by coachphillip on Oct 8, 2013 10:11:13 GMT -6
Never been a fan of it either. Might as well start a "2-4-6-8 who do we appreciate" chant.
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Post by blb on Oct 8, 2013 10:18:54 GMT -6
I felt way back when it was mandated by our state association it was a forced, contrived show of sportsmanship.
I feel it's for the kids, so I have only gone through the line once, when I thought there might be trouble - spread our coaches throughout.
I walk across the field, speak briefly to and shake other header's hand, then go to where our team will meet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 10:28:59 GMT -6
I like the handshake. It shows the kids that while we don't really like each other on the game field, there is no reason they cannot be civil off the field. My kids know that when we shake hands, it's either good game or keep your mouth shut, helmet on ans snapped up.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 8, 2013 11:54:44 GMT -6
Also hate to see players take a knee when someone is injured! Very PEEWEE football IMHO!
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Post by morris on Oct 8, 2013 12:23:01 GMT -6
Yes I'm in ky. I know this year there have been a pretty good fight in AL and in IN. I don't care really either way. I don't like the taking a knee thing.
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 8, 2013 13:32:51 GMT -6
Also hate to see players take a knee when someone is injured! Very PEEWEE football IMHO! I hate that as well Being on a knee does nothing to medically help that injured kid When one of our coaches yells take a knee I usually tell them NO We are one step away from handing out orange wedges and making a parent tunnel to run through after the game
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Post by mahonz on Oct 8, 2013 14:00:26 GMT -6
I wish we did I hate the post game handshake It's a little kid youth sports thing that somehow got carried over into high school Actually its a NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs thing....you know....the most violent of all team sports.
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Post by mahonz on Oct 8, 2013 14:05:03 GMT -6
Also hate to see players take a knee when someone is injured! Very PEEWEE football IMHO! Would you rather they stand over their prey and laugh?
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 8, 2013 14:08:58 GMT -6
I wish we did I hate the post game handshake It's a little kid youth sports thing that somehow got carried over into high school Actually its a NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs thing....you know....the most violent of all team sports. you can't bring up Ice Soccer on this board
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 14:11:36 GMT -6
Politcal correctness is going to be the death of us if we don't stop it...and right quick. And No sarcasm when I use the word death.
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Post by mahonz on Oct 8, 2013 14:55:31 GMT -6
Actually its a NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs thing....you know....the most violent of all team sports. you can't bring up Ice Soccer on this board LOL...yah but you'd expect that NHL handshake line to bust out into a bar room brawl at times....an never does.
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Post by mahonz on Oct 8, 2013 14:57:48 GMT -6
Politcal correctness is going to be the death of us if we don't stop it...and right quick. And No sarcasm when I use the word death. Oh please. Nobody's gonna die over this. Time to refit your tin foil hat again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 15:00:15 GMT -6
Politcal correctness is going to be the death of us if we don't stop it...and right quick. And No sarcasm when I use the word death. Oh please. Nobody's gonna die over this. Time to refit your tin foil hat again. die over any one incident? absolutely not...
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Post by coachmoore42 on Oct 8, 2013 17:01:17 GMT -6
We are one step away from handing out orange wedges and making a parent tunnel to run through after the game The parents of our players got upset with me because I didn't ensure that the pre-game snacks and waters got handed out. I coach middle school, but nonetheless... Please don't spread the idea of a tunnel or that will be focus of their next bash-the-HC session. To return to the OP, this is crazy that they essentially want to ban post-game interactions. I see the issue, but what is effectively a ban is not the answer.
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Post by newhope on Oct 8, 2013 17:12:45 GMT -6
I don't ever worry about what mine will do in a handshake line, but I do worry sometimes about what the other team might do. I also HATE the cheerleaders getting in those lines--talk about asking for a problem. I don't get in them, most coaches I know don't---we shake hands with the other coaches. If I want to congratulate an opposing player, I'll go directly to him, not the whole line.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 17:19:33 GMT -6
I don't ever worry about what mine will do in a handshake line, but I do worry sometimes about what the other team might do. I also HATE the cheerleaders getting in those lines--talk about asking for a problem. I don't get in them, most coaches I know don't---we shake hands with the other coaches. If I want to congratulate an opposing player, I'll go directly to him, not the whole line. We go to the side and do our own handshake...
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Post by newhope on Oct 8, 2013 17:26:10 GMT -6
I trust you mean the coaches, yes, that's what we do...to the side, not in the line.
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Post by tango on Oct 8, 2013 19:08:41 GMT -6
Our players the last two years will take a knee and pray for the injured player. I have never said anything about this but I feel kinda funny after we have just knee capped someone and then pray. Early this year a kid was knocked out and I went out to check on him and when I came back one of our players said is he OK. Yes, then he said when I got hurt last year they didn't bring the ambulance on the field and pray and take a knee. I just looked at him. Then I found out his mom came out of the stands and cussed him out for not praying for the kid.
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Post by jsk002 on Oct 8, 2013 19:11:34 GMT -6
I simply reinforce to my kids that we win with pride and we lose with pride. I think acknowledging the opponent in a respectable way is a good thing.
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Post by woodyboyd on Oct 9, 2013 9:45:09 GMT -6
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Post by airman on Oct 9, 2013 10:48:42 GMT -6
If the losing coach cannot shake the winning coaches hand it says a lot about the losing coach to me. He will always be branded as less than a man. you see real men check their emotions and are above such nonsense. It is why professional athletes are not real men.
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Post by blb on Oct 9, 2013 10:55:29 GMT -6
If the losing coach cannot shake the winning coaches hand it says a lot about the losing coach to me. He will always be branded as less than a man. you see real men check their emotions and are above such nonsense. It is why professional athletes are not real men. That is rather over the top blanket assertion, don't you think? I have heard pro players criticized for being TOO chummy with opponents after games as well.
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Post by coachpsl on Oct 9, 2013 11:00:47 GMT -6
I am a coach in Kentucky, I expect us to still be shaking hands win or lose on Friday night. Not sure what brought this about, but I haven't seen any legitimate concerns from our team or any we have played.
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Post by airman on Oct 9, 2013 11:33:03 GMT -6
If the losing coach cannot shake the winning coaches hand it says a lot about the losing coach to me. He will always be branded as less than a man. you see real men check their emotions and are above such nonsense. It is why professional athletes are not real men. That is rather over the top blanket assertion, don't you think? I have heard pro players criticized for being TOO chummy with opponents after games as well. I have no problem with NFL players being friends off the field and having fun after a game. When you live a compartmentalized life you recognize that the game is over, you gave your best and it is time to move on. It does you no good to let your emotions after game spill over into life. If we are talking too chummy it is baseball players who get a hit and have an afternoon social with the other teams 1st baseman or hitters talking to the catcher. that is why my favorite player is AJ Pierzynski. blb, if you and i were coaching a game against one another. you won the game by little, medium, big margin, even if you ran a trick play to score when up by 4 tds I would still shake your hand after the game and say good game. If the shoe was on the other foot I would expect the same of you. If you could not do that because you lacked emotional discipline I would see you as an inferior man not worthy of the position you hold.
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Post by coachsmi0901 on Oct 9, 2013 17:22:57 GMT -6
Actually its a NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs thing....you know....the most violent of all team sports. you can't bring up Ice Soccer on this board This.
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