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Post by 33coach on Sept 30, 2013 22:52:50 GMT -6
So we won on Saturday putting us at 3-2 and doing well.
My starting Left Split End decided to quit because 'he wasn't getting the ball enough and we weren't using him the way we should' (his words).
In a moment of frustration I told him to enjoy being a quitter and that I would inform the HS of his decision to make sure that they understand what a superstar they will be getting...... (I havnt yet...)
Now its feeling like I started an international incident! I have the parents up my @ss now! ..
Thoughts?
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 1, 2013 7:02:53 GMT -6
Probably not the best thing to say, but it's not a hanging offence. I would think of a way to apologize, but able to still get your point across that quitting is an easy way out and that he may be labeled a quitter.
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Post by coachdoug on Oct 1, 2013 7:06:48 GMT -6
Sure, you could have handled it better, but now that it's done, I'm not quite sure how the parents are giving you a hard time unless you're allowing them to. If the kid quit the team, then neither you nor your program have any official relationship with this kid and his family anymore - you have no obligation to talk with, or even listen to his parents. If they contact you, just politely state, "Junior is no longer a member of our team - that was his decision. I have nothing more to say to you. If you wish to discuss it further, you should take it up with your son - again, it was his decision." Then walk away (or hang up or whatever).
You can leave the door open for Junior to come back if you want, but state what the conditions are for his return. A good start would be a written apology to you and the coaching staff; a verbal apology to the team, and a promise to be respectful and cause no more drama for the rest of the season (from both the player and the parents).
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 1, 2013 7:48:10 GMT -6
Sure, you could have handled it better, but now that it's done, I'm not quite sure how the parents are giving you a hard time unless you're allowing them to. If the kid quit the team, then neither you nor your program have any official relationship with this kid and his family anymore - you have no obligation to talk with, or even listen to his parents. If they contact you, just politely state, "Junior is no longer a member of our team - that was his decision. I have nothing more to say to you. If you wish to discuss it further, you should take it up with your son - again, it was his decision." Then walk away (or hang up or whatever). You can leave the door open for Junior to come back if you want, but state what the conditions are for his return. A good start would be a written apology to you and the coaching staff; a verbal apology to the team, and a promise to be respectful and cause no more drama for the rest of the season (from both the player and the parents). I think he's afraid of the possible fall out. If the parents are that upset they can go over the coach's head and that's more wasted time he has to deal with explaining himself. In today's day and age you can't say anything anymore, it's rediculous. Last week a girl in my class who has all types of problems kept telling me she couldn't concentrate and that she has axiety blah blah so she didn't have to do any work. In a serious reply I said, if it's that much of a problem for you to concentrate and sit still you should make an appointment with your doctor. She stormed out and told one of her counselors what I said and I had to explain myself. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards
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Post by coachphillip on Oct 1, 2013 8:21:37 GMT -6
Typical BS parent behavior. The kid is a quitter. His parents get mad at you for calling it for what it is instead of getting mad at their kid for being a loser in the first place. You should probably have a follow up conversation with the kid if he and his parents want to talk. It's an opportunity for him to learn what it's like to be labeled a quitter. I would definitely tell the high school program. I like to know if I'm getting a diva from a youth league.
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 1, 2013 10:06:41 GMT -6
The only part you really shouldn't have said was "superstar".
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 1, 2013 10:52:18 GMT -6
So we won on Saturday putting us at 3-2 and doing well. My starting Left Split End decided to quit because 'he wasn't getting the ball enough and we weren't using him the way we should' (his words). In a moment of frustration I told him to enjoy being a quitter and that I would inform the HS of his decision to make sure that they understand what a superstar they will be getting...... (I havnt yet...) Now its feeling like I started an international incident! I have the parents up my @ss now! .. Thoughts? Plead justifiable sarcasm.
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Post by coachdoug on Oct 1, 2013 23:40:29 GMT -6
Sure, you could have handled it better, but now that it's done, I'm not quite sure how the parents are giving you a hard time unless you're allowing them to. If the kid quit the team, then neither you nor your program have any official relationship with this kid and his family anymore - you have no obligation to talk with, or even listen to his parents. If they contact you, just politely state, "Junior is no longer a member of our team - that was his decision. I have nothing more to say to you. If you wish to discuss it further, you should take it up with your son - again, it was his decision." Then walk away (or hang up or whatever). You can leave the door open for Junior to come back if you want, but state what the conditions are for his return. A good start would be a written apology to you and the coaching staff; a verbal apology to the team, and a promise to be respectful and cause no more drama for the rest of the season (from both the player and the parents). I think he's afraid of the possible fall out. If the parents are that upset they can go over the coach's head and that's more wasted time he has to deal with explaining himself. In today's day and age you can't say anything anymore, it's rediculous. Last week a girl in my class who has all types of problems kept telling me she couldn't concentrate and that she has axiety blah blah so she didn't have to do any work. In a serious reply I said, if it's that much of a problem for you to concentrate and sit still you should make an appointment with your doctor. She stormed out and told one of her counselors what I said and I had to explain myself. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards I totally understand that, and like I said, the initial situation certainly could have and should have been handled differently. But, at this point, this kid is no longer a player and the parents are no longer part of the program, so there really is no reason to deal with them, other than to mitigate whatever damage they can do talking to your remaining players and their families. Your situation with a student is completely different because she is still a student. If she had dropped out school and you saw her the next day and made the same comment (i.e. after she's no longer a student at your school), do you really think you'd have the same situation? A little diplomacy is probably called for, but I think it's important to understand that the OP is now operating from a position of strength - he has all the leverage. If he is willing to take the kid back, he holds all the cards to specify the conditions under which the kid can return. If he is not willing to take the kid back - well, the kid's decision to leave was his own, so the coach has absolutely no obligation to take him back. Yes, you may have to explain yourself to the Board or whatever, but it should be a pretty short conversation. It's not like the kid quit because of the coach's comments. The kid quit first - the coach didn't make any comment until after the kid quit. So, the explanation to the board goes something like this, "Well, I never addressed this player or his family with anything other than respect while he was a member of this program. However, he made the decision to quit from this program, and only after he was no longer a member of this program did I point out to him that being labelled a quitter might have ramifications that won't serve him well in high school or anywhere else in his later life. I would think that teaching this type of life lesson would be exactly what we're trying to do here. If I had this type of conversation online with a prospective player in a different part of the country, I doubt anyone would have any issue with it - to the contrary I would expect to be praised for teaching appropriate life lessons that will serve the student well in later life. I fail to see how this situation is any different. Perhaps the Board should take a few moments to decide what our mission is. If you all decide that encouraging this type of excuse making and pointing the finger at others when things don't go your way is characteristic of the type of player you want develop, please let me know and I will take my services elsewhere. However, if you share my goal of teaching life lessons like accountability, integrity, discipline, sportsmanship, perseverance, and a desire to be the best you can be, then you'll support my decision with regard to this player and his family. If he'll apologize to the team and coaching staff and promise to cause no more drama, we'll take him back; otherwise, he is off the team permanently."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 3:21:10 GMT -6
Sure, you could have handled it better, but now that it's done, I'm not quite sure how the parents are giving you a hard time unless you're allowing them to. If the kid quit the team, then neither you nor your program have any official relationship with this kid and his family anymore - you have no obligation to talk with, or even listen to his parents. If they contact you, just politely state, "Junior is no longer a member of our team - that was his decision. I have nothing more to say to you. If you wish to discuss it further, you should take it up with your son - again, it was his decision." Then walk away (or hang up or whatever). You can leave the door open for Junior to come back if you want, but state what the conditions are for his return. A good start would be a written apology to you and the coaching staff; a verbal apology to the team, and a promise to be respectful and cause no more drama for the rest of the season (from both the player and the parents). You hit this spot on. 33, if the org. doesn't back you, Trust me when I say you are better off leaving anyways.
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