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Post by 33coach on Sept 25, 2013 10:30:37 GMT -6
a got a call from a private school in the area that they would be sending someone to watch 2-3 of our players....I know private schools can pretty much do whatever they want but seriously?! scouting 7th-8th graders?
has anyone dealt with this? do you tell the parents or kids?
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 25, 2013 10:41:36 GMT -6
Towns that have private schools or close to the town, this isn't that uncommon.
I also coach baseball and the reason schools don't scout baseball games is because they don't have to. They will get in 7th and 8th graders ears at batting cages, clinics, camps, etc. They don't really have this for football because there isn't much a player can do by themselves for football except for conditioning really.
I was always told that's it's illegal for private schools to seek out kids for sports. That a private school needs to invite the kids to an open house, then they can openly recruit them there.
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 25, 2013 21:52:19 GMT -6
I was always told that's it's illegal for private schools to seek out kids for sports. That a private school needs to invite the kids to an open house, then they can openly recruit them there. You were told wrong. A private school's a business like any other when it comes to soliciting customers. As to the general case, I would take it as an honor to have one of my players be scouted, and I think they should consider it an honor too. |
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Post by coachbdud on Sept 25, 2013 21:53:29 GMT -6
I have lived my entire life in the same city as De la Salle
And now coach in a city they poach a lot of talent from
Yes I've experienced this
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 25, 2013 22:08:39 GMT -6
I was always told that's it's illegal for private schools to seek out kids for sports. That a private school needs to invite the kids to an open house, then they can openly recruit them there. You were told wrong. A private school's a business like any other when it comes to soliciting customers. As to the general case, I would take it as an honor to have one of my players be scouted, and I think they should consider it an honor too. Bob-- I believe you are mistaking his use of the word "illegal" to mean an act violating the civil or criminal code. I am fairly certain he is referring to various rules/regulations put in place by statewide athletic associations. Certainly you realize that those regulations will vary from state to state.... so therefore in some, if not several states/regions it is indeed against the ATHLETIC rules to have schools contact or pursue students for athletic purposes, and such actions can result in a loss of eligibility for that student and penalties for that school |
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 26, 2013 1:02:20 GMT -6
You were told wrong. A private school's a business like any other when it comes to soliciting customers. As to the general case, I would take it as an honor to have one of my players be scouted, and I think they should consider it an honor too. Bob-- I believe you are mistaking his use of the word "illegal" to mean an act violating the civil or criminal code. I am fairly certain he is referring to various rules/regulations put in place by statewide athletic associations. Certainly you realize that those regulations will vary from state to state.... so therefore in some, if not several states/regions it is indeed against the ATHLETIC rules to have schools contact or pursue students for athletic purposes, and such actions can result in a loss of eligibility for that student and penalties for that school You're correct. In Rhode island anyway, this is the case, but the private schools know all the ways of getting around it. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards |
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 26, 2013 7:04:35 GMT -6
We had a catholic school try to recruit a couple of our guys. Did I say recruit? I meant "strike up a conversation about the benefits of attending a better funded school based on prior experience".
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 26, 2013 7:54:45 GMT -6
We had a catholic school try to recruit a couple of our guys. Did I say recruit? I meant "strike up a conversation about the benefits of attending a better funded school based on prior experience". Haha exactly |
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 26, 2013 13:18:47 GMT -6
You were told wrong. A private school's a business like any other when it comes to soliciting customers. As to the general case, I would take it as an honor to have one of my players be scouted, and I think they should consider it an honor too. Bob-- I believe you are mistaking his use of the word "illegal" to mean an act violating the civil or criminal code. I am fairly certain he is referring to various rules/regulations put in place by statewide athletic associations. Which the school may or may not be a member of. Mine wasn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 17:26:58 GMT -6
a got a call from a private school in the area that they would be sending someone to watch 2-3 of our players....I know private schools can pretty much do whatever they want but seriously?! scouting 7th-8th graders? has anyone dealt with this? do you tell the parents or kids? Potentially your kids have a chance at great education and for free. I said potentially because just because its private, doesn't mean its education is a worth a brown spot. But in my 15 yrs I know of very few if any private schools who actively recruit and have average academic. Don't tell the kids but tell parents...if you trust them. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 26, 2013 17:36:46 GMT -6
Bob-- I believe you are mistaking his use of the word "illegal" to mean an act violating the civil or criminal code. I am fairly certain he is referring to various rules/regulations put in place by statewide athletic associations. Which the school may or may not be a member of. Mine wasn't. That's right bob... pick the SMALLEST sample size, (private schools that do not belong to state associations) and use that to tell someone "you were told wrong" |
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Post by mhcoach on Sept 26, 2013 19:09:37 GMT -6
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A lot depends on what state you are in. In FL even a Private School can no contact with a player prior to them being enrolled in that school. The way the rule is written has really changed the landscape. We no longer can have a youth summer camp for this reason. In NC it was open season, we had Private Schools as well as Public Schools attend our games & talk to our players.
IMHO, it's a compliment to your players & your staff. Our PW plays on HS field, & we don't even watch them because of the way the rules are written & enforced.
We just had a coach have to resign at another school because the FSHAA ruled what happened was considered recruiting. The player transfered to another school, the coach in question was hired after the player transfered. The coach at the school he transfered from wrote a letter stating there was no recruiting involved. Even with all this either the coach had to resign or the player couldn't play his senior year. The player in question is a big time recruit, the coach did the honorable thing. Still a messy situation.
Joe
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 26, 2013 21:18:22 GMT -6
Which the school may or may not be a member of. Mine wasn't. That's right bob... pick the SMALLEST sample size, (private schools that do not belong to state associations) and use that to tell someone "you were told wrong" It only takes one counterexample to prove a rule wrong. |
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