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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 11, 2013 11:30:10 GMT -6
First off, I am pretty new to this message board and love all of the good advice and great coaching tips I have read here, thanks to everyone for all the great info. I am DC on an 8-10 year old peewee squad. The previous 2 seasons I have been head coach flying solo for the most part running everything on my own. We were very succesful the past two seasons and I hate to see a season wasted due to horrendous (non) coaching. He has spit out every non-coach statement I can think of: "tackle somebody!" "block somebody!" and my favorite "just blow him up!". It is his first season coaching anything and it shows big time. He has asked for help multiple times only to go right back to what he was doing before. We are 1-2 and have only gotten 1 first down in those three games. We lost the first two 14-6 and 13-6 scoring on a kickoff return and a busted toss play that hit the ground before our exceptionally talented HB scooped it and took it to the house. This past saturday we scored twice on qb sweep plays over 60 yards. we got our lone first down on a qb sweep that got ran down from behind. We are making progress but it is too slow for the level of talent we have. We are halfway through our season and we have one first down. We have not ran a dive, a blast, a wedge or even off tackle. We are outside every play and the defenses are not being kept honest, we run to the wide side of the field every time. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out our attack because we don't have one. The defense has been on point(pitched our first shutout this past saturday) but has been hurt by the O not being able to move the ball. He now has a blocking scheme because I told him that "block somebody!" wouldn't work but he is asking these kids to execute blocks that I wouldn't ask a pro to perform. I don't know what to do, I want to do it myself because he can't handle advice even when he asks for it. Another thing before I stop rambling, he can't connect with the kids. He is all business all the time and won't show that he is a human being, only a coach. He doesn't smile, laugh, cut up with the boys, nothing. He says he has been away from the game for so long that he forgot the fundamentals....then why coach??? I'm lost and the parents see we have enough talent to do damage but it is being hindered by the daddy ball coach.....that's for another thread. What do I do? I know you can tell I'm beyond frustrated. I'm lost here, help me out fellas!!!!!!
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 11, 2013 11:33:02 GMT -6
This should be good...once I read 8 year olds I laughed and stopped reading.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 11:36:52 GMT -6
Take it away from him. He doesn't get it. And that is not his fault. BUT...The mistake is not his...but yours as the HC. You cannot put a first time coach in that position. It is your responsibility to give him the ground work/ training necessary to do the job you expect of him.
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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 11, 2013 11:42:03 GMT -6
SPOS21ram thanks for the insight, I'm looking for help here man. coachbry I am DC, he is OC and we have another gem of a HC. That's why this has got this far, IF I was HC he would be coaching the waterboys
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 11:50:33 GMT -6
SPOS21ram thanks for the insight, I'm looking for help here man. coachbry I am DC, he is OC and we have another gem of a HC. That's why this has got this far, IF I was HC he would be coaching the waterboys Then keep your mouth shut and realize who you are working for. Just look at the situation for what it is. And act accordingly AFTER your season is over. Keep your emotions out of it. It would be the last season I would spend working for your HC.
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 11, 2013 11:55:02 GMT -6
I know I know I had to say it. But seriously, The HC should remove him immediately if all this is true, but you aren't the HC so you don't have much of a choice here. Have a staff meeting and bring up your concerns.
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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 11, 2013 11:55:21 GMT -6
SPOS21ram thanks for the insight, I'm looking for help here man. coachbry I am DC, he is OC and we have another gem of a HC. That's why this has got this far, IF I was HC he would be coaching the waterboys Then keep your mouth shut and realize who you are working for. Just at the situation for what it is. And act accordingly AFTER your season is over. Keep your emotions out of it. It would be the last season I would spend working for your HC. I have had those exact same thoughts. I am too much of a control freak to not be the head coach. I wasn't going to coach at all due to work obligations but got talked into it by a coach from last season. I figured I could run the defense and not worry about the rest but I'm not wired that way and should have known better. Thanks for your thoughts on it coach
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Post by fantom on Sept 11, 2013 11:55:35 GMT -6
SPOS21ram thanks for the insight, I'm looking for help here man. coachbry I am DC, he is OC and we have another gem of a HC. That's why this has got this far, IF I was HC he would be coaching the waterboys Coach, you'll get more help on the Youth forum further down on the board. Unfortunately there's probably nothing that you can do about this if the HC is on the other guy's side.
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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 11, 2013 11:58:37 GMT -6
I know I know I had to say it. But seriously, The HC should remove him immediately if all this is true, but you aren't the HC so you don't have much of a choice here. Have a staff meeting and bring up your concerns. Now that's some advice! thanks for the suggestion coach, I'm just not sure if I want to stir the pot or let it ride. I should have seen this coming and been smart enough to stay away, I'm too big of a control freak to not run the show.
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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 11, 2013 12:06:22 GMT -6
SPOS21ram thanks for the insight, I'm looking for help here man. coachbry I am DC, he is OC and we have another gem of a HC. That's why this has got this far, IF I was HC he would be coaching the waterboys Coach, you'll get more help on the Youth forum further down on the board. Unfortunately there's probably nothing that you can do about this if the HC is on the other guy's side. I apologize, should have posted it down there. That is the conclusion I am coming to, I just need to suck it up and let him suck, and keep my trap shut. Thanks for the advice
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 12:06:24 GMT -6
I know I know I had to say it. But seriously, The HC should remove him immediately if all this is true, but you aren't the HC so you don't have much of a choice here. Have a staff meeting and bring up your concerns. Now that's some advice! thanks for the suggestion coach, I'm just not sure if I want to stir the pot or let it ride. I should have seen this coming and been smart enough to stay away, I'm too big of a control freak to not run the show. You are not the problem...You are not the issue....the Issue isn't even whether or not you should be a HC..The problem isn't even the OC....He doesn't know any better....Good football people wouldn't have made that mistake....It is who you are answering to that is the problem.
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Post by mahonz on Sept 11, 2013 12:16:18 GMT -6
Its youth football. There are no careers at stake here. No one is getting paid...if the OC is ruining the season then demand a coaches meeting and fix it.
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Post by wingt74 on Sept 11, 2013 19:55:06 GMT -6
are the kids having fun? are the kids safe? At that age, that's 99% of the battle.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 15, 2013 2:27:00 GMT -6
Do you have a son on the team? If not, then why are you doing this to yourself? I was in a bad situation a few years ago. It was an awful organization with even worse parents. After two seasons, I came to the conclusion that I was not going to change the culture and I got out. Why wear yourself out coaching for people who don't appreciate you, especially if you don't have any of your own kids involved? That was the point I finally reached...I realized that I was actually missing my own kid's games wasting my time coaching for these particular losers. No way will I EVER make that mistake again.
I know people will say that you have to stay for the kids, blah, blah, blah but, if you are coaching for an organization that isn't willing to fix the problem (or, like the organization I worked for, doesn't even know there is a problem!) and you don't have a direct stake involved (like your own kid playing), then why stay?
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Post by coachmsl on Sept 19, 2013 9:03:11 GMT -6
This should be good...once I read 8 year olds I laughed and stopped reading. Why? Are you a youth coach?
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Post by 33coach on Sept 19, 2013 9:13:52 GMT -6
First off, I am pretty new to this message board and love all of the good advice and great coaching tips I have read here, thanks to everyone for all the great info. I am DC on an 8-10 year old peewee squad. The previous 2 seasons I have been head coach flying solo for the most part running everything on my own. We were very succesful the past two seasons and I hate to see a season wasted due to horrendous (non) coaching. He has spit out every non-coach statement I can think of: "tackle somebody!" "block somebody!" and my favorite "just blow him up!".
It is his first season coaching anything and it shows big time. He has asked for help multiple times only to go right back to what he was doing before. We are 1-2 and have only gotten 1 first down in those three games. We lost the first two 14-6 and 13-6 scoring on a kickoff return and a busted toss play that hit the ground before our exceptionally talented HB scooped it and took it to the house. This past saturday we scored twice on qb sweep plays over 60 yards. we got our lone first down on a qb sweep that got ran down from behind. We are making progress but it is too slow for the level of talent we have. We are halfway through our season and we have one first down. We have not ran a dive, a blast, a wedge or even off tackle. We are outside every play and the defenses are not being kept honest, we run to the wide side of the field every time. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out our attack because we don't have one.
The defense has been on point(pitched our first shutout this past saturday) but has been hurt by the O not being able to move the ball. He now has a blocking scheme because I told him that "block somebody!" wouldn't work but he is asking these kids to execute blocks that I wouldn't ask a pro to perform. I don't know what to do, I want to do it myself because he can't handle advice even when he asks for it. Another thing before I stop rambling, he can't connect with the kids. He is all business all the time and won't show that he is a human being, only a coach. He doesn't smile, laugh, cut up with the boys, nothing. He says he has been away from the game for so long that he forgot the fundamentals....then why coach???
I'm lost and the parents see we have enough talent to do damage but it is being hindered by the daddy ball coach.....that's for another thread. What do I do? I know you can tell I'm beyond frustrated. I'm lost here, help me out fellas!!!!!! Paragraphs...please it hurts my eyes to read that (general online forum stuff...) ok, so lets talk about this: 1) you WERE the head coach? and you were successful, now you are an assistant and you are struggling.... first off, as a once-head-coach you should know that nothing is more detrimental then dis-assistants (assistants who undermine and contradict more then actually assist). so there is really nothing you can do. you should NOT go to the parents or players with what you are feeling. second, if he has "forgotten" the fundamentals, consistently offer to help. have meetings as a staff..etc. if he doesn't take the help...just be along for the ride. its unfortunate but there is NOTHING you can do. and anything you do outside of just being a coach will cause more harm then good.
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 19, 2013 9:14:24 GMT -6
This should be good...once I read 8 year olds I laughed and stopped reading. Why? Are you a youth coach? I coach high school, but my GF's sons play peewee. They are 8 and 10 years old and when I don't have my own football obligations I go to their practices and games to just watch and for anyone to get this upset about 8-10 year old football is ridiculous. As one poster already mentioned, the goal at this level is to keep kids interested in football, teach them the basics of the game, and most importantly to have fun.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 19, 2013 9:15:26 GMT -6
Why? Are you a youth coach? I coach high school, but my GF's sons play peewee. They are 8 and 10 years old and when I don't have my own football obligations I go to their practices and games to just watch and for anyone to get this upset about 8-10 year old football is ridiculous. As one poster already mentioned, the goal at this level is to keep kids interested in football, teach them the basics of the game, and most importantly to have fun. this is the truth! keep them in the program! get them excited to come back. wins are nice...player retention is better!
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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 19, 2013 9:30:57 GMT -6
I agree fun and player retention is key at this age. Every kid I coached last year signed up to play again this year so I must be doing a few things right. Am I frustrated? yes. Am I upset? no. Save that crap. If the kids aren't taught the fundamentals they have no chance of being successful, right? I know what little guys can do because I saw it for myself last season. I am not a guy that will go behind anyone's back to cut them down or degrade them to players or parents. I was only looking for some assistance as to how to go about dealing with this guy. It was turned into poking fun at me/youth football for whatever reason and that is disappointing. I really felt that of all places I could throw this issue out there and you guys could help me.....but I guess that's being ridiculous too
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Post by 33coach on Sept 19, 2013 9:37:45 GMT -6
I agree fun and player retention is key at this age. Every kid I coached last year signed up to play again this year so I must be doing a few things right. Am I frustrated? yes. Am I upset? no. Save that crap. If the kids aren't taught the fundamentals they have no chance of being successful, right? I know what little guys can do because I saw it for myself last season. I am not a guy that will go behind anyone's back to cut them down or degrade them to players or parents. I was only looking for some assistance as to how to go about dealing with this guy. It was turned into poking fun at me/youth football for whatever reason and that is disappointing. I really felt that of all places I could throw this issue out there and you guys could help me.....but I guess that's being ridiculous too im definitely not poking fun at it... read my post.
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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 19, 2013 9:42:37 GMT -6
33coach....not you man, the joker who thinks youth football is just a bunch of kids running around with no objective or direction. It's football, whether 8 or 18.....same game just different sizes and speed
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Post by 33coach on Sept 19, 2013 9:47:14 GMT -6
33coach....not you man, the joker who thinks youth football is just a bunch of kids running around with no objective or direction. It's football, whether 8 or 18.....same game just different sizes and speed well forget that for a moment, and just remember, if you get to the point where you can no longer help. step back from the "Team" and just work with your group (whether you are a position coach or a coordinator I didn't catch) I had an issue my last year in a town before I came to where I am now... we went 2-6 no playoff birth. and my defense was holding people to 9 points a game.... we weren't scoring we were losing games 6-0. because of the guy running the offense wouldn't work with us. so I had to step back, and just focus on my position group (in my case the defense) not look at the team as a whole...just my group and coach them up and reward them as they did well.
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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 19, 2013 9:58:05 GMT -6
thanks for the advice coach. My defense is holding teams to 10 points per and we only won when we shut a team out in our third game. It's not about the wins and losses for me, it's about those little guys I get so attached to over the course of the season. They go to battle for me and I owe it to them to give them all I have and make sure they get the best instruction possible(one of the reasons I'm here). I have told them that in life you will never go undefeated but if you work hard and apply yourself, you will win more than you lose. I have taken two steps back and realized that the O is out of my control and I can only coach what I am allowed. I will never coach with anyone I don't personally know ever again. It has been a complete disaster and I won't allow it to happen next season. thanks for the time and the good advice without being judgmental because they are youngsters. They are just small folks that can execute anything you can properly teach them and can excel and exceed expectations if given the chance. Thanks again coach
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Post by 33coach on Sept 19, 2013 10:03:00 GMT -6
thanks for the advice coach. My defense is holding teams to 10 points per and we only won when we shut a team out in our third game. It's not about the wins and losses for me, it's about those little guys I get so attached to over the course of the season. They go to battle for me and I owe it to them to give them all I have and make sure they get the best instruction possible(one of the reasons I'm here). I have told them that in life you will never go undefeated but if you work hard and apply yourself, you will win more than you lose. I have taken two steps back and realized that the O is out of my control and I can only coach what I am allowed. I will never coach with anyone I don't personally know ever again. It has been a complete disaster and I won't allow it to happen next season. thanks for the time and the good advice without being judgmental because they are youngsters. They are just small folks that can execute anything you can properly teach them and can excel and exceed expectations if given the chance. Thanks again coach how does your league do head coach selection? if its sort of random, maybe you could propose something like what we put in place for our chapter of the youth football league: 1) All head coaches must attend one coaches clinic (glazier clinics are free!) 2) All head coaches must present there plan to the board of directors, which has to be approved. that is a full written plan. offense, defense, special teams, practice plan. 3) all coaches, (not just head coaches) must take the USA football tackle certification course (its a BS course...but goes over some important safety information)
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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 19, 2013 12:58:50 GMT -6
It is completely random as far as I know. Those suggestions are fantastic and I will most definitely bring that up. Thanks for your time. I have learned so much from these discussion boards and will continue to come back daily.
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Post by mahonz on Sept 19, 2013 13:56:28 GMT -6
I agree fun and player retention is key at this age. Every kid I coached last year signed up to play again this year so I must be doing a few things right. Am I frustrated? yes. Am I upset? no. Save that crap. If the kids aren't taught the fundamentals they have no chance of being successful, right? I know what little guys can do because I saw it for myself last season. I am not a guy that will go behind anyone's back to cut them down or degrade them to players or parents. I was only looking for some assistance as to how to go about dealing with this guy. It was turned into poking fun at me/youth football for whatever reason and that is disappointing. I really felt that of all places I could throw this issue out there and you guys could help me.....but I guess that's being ridiculous too What did you expect....its a HS Football Forum. You put in 100's of hours of your time to make sure the experience is top shelf for all the kids yet somehow some of the Members here think your situation is unimportant because its kiddie ball. Absurd. If it weren't for guys like you there would be no HS FB Program because the round ball people will win out. That is real life and a constant battle at the youth levels. These guys tend to forget the pecking order here. Youth Coaches typically get the first shot yet they get poked at more than advised by the wiser Members when an issue arises. I don't get that. Plus it is all about winning. No one is going to retain doo-doo at 0-8. So this guy ruining your season is a very serious issue. Too bad some are laughing at you for caring. Hope it all works out. If you season is ruined...20 kids off to play fall baseball in 2014 and beyond then the HS Coaches will blame you for not retaining your players.
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Post by pirate1590 on Sept 19, 2013 16:39:12 GMT -6
Don't worry about it. Its kid football. Sometimes us coaches get too wrapped up in it. You probably have a family/friends/other things that are way way more important in the game. Its a GAME. Not life or death. You will not lose a job over this. Keep it in perspective.
Here is what I would do if I was in your situation. First of all, you will sound like a jacka$$ if you tell him point blank you are ruining the season. Don't do that. Ask to help with the oline, he will probably let you. Put in blocking schemes that work. You can give him tips on playcalling, eg (run between tackles more, use more misdirection, this works against this defense). You have to be nice about it, and still allow him to call plays. It wont be 100 percent perfect but it will work better I promise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 17:23:03 GMT -6
I coach high school, but my GF's sons play peewee. They are 8 and 10 years old and when I don't have my own football obligations I go to their practices and games to just watch and for anyone to get this upset about 8-10 year old football is ridiculous. As one poster already mentioned, the goal at this level is to keep kids interested in football, teach them the basics of the game, and most importantly to have fun. this is the truth! keep them in the program! get them excited to come back. wins are nice...player retention is better! winning is retention...if you think making jokes, doing updowns and pizza substitute for winning, your mistaken. KIDS INHERENTYLY WANT TO WIN....ITS THE ADULTS who teach that winning isn't important...and its a load of crap.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 19, 2013 17:31:18 GMT -6
this is the truth! keep them in the program! get them excited to come back. wins are nice...player retention is better! winning is retention...if you think making jokes, doing updowns and pizza substitute for winning, your mistaken. KIDS INHERENTYLY WANT TO WIN....ITS THE ADULTS who teach that winning isn't important...and its a load of crap. I don't believe that. This is my 7th season coaching and my 4th at the 7th and 8th grade level. I've had 8th grade kids who have played 4 years and never won. I've had juniors in HS who have gone 0-fer... But they keep coming back. Why? Because they love the game and had a good experience with the lower level coaches. I've also seen the opposite. I've seen kids drop from an 8-0 team because the coach was a dick...
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Post by 33coach on Sept 19, 2013 17:33:08 GMT -6
winning is retention...if you think making jokes, doing updowns and pizza substitute for winning, your mistaken. KIDS INHERENTYLY WANT TO WIN....ITS THE ADULTS who teach that winning isn't important...and its a load of crap. I don't believe that. This is my 7th season coaching and my 4th at the 7th and 8th grade level. I've had 8th grade kids who have played 4 years and never won. I've had juniors in HS who have gone 0-fer... But they keep coming back. Why? Because they love the game and had a good experience with the lower level coaches. I've also seen the opposite. I've seen kids drop from an 8-0 team because the coach was a thingy... Maybe its a regional thing.... But our kids don't quit because they lose.. they quit because of coaches actions and words. They truely love the game
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