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Post by coachbozwhs on Sept 6, 2013 23:12:26 GMT -6
We were up 61-0 w/3mins left in 2nd qrtr. 2's were already in. Went to 8min qrtrs in second half and played 2's & 3's in 3rd qrtr. Put JV in in 4th (couldn't burn an extra qrtr with their schedule). Knelt inside 20 during 4th and still won 75-0. Just looking for input regarding how to handle a situation like this.
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 7, 2013 0:41:25 GMT -6
Coach, it sounds like you kept it classy. Not really sure what else you could have done. I know coaches who would have tried to put up another 61.
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Post by coach2013 on Sept 7, 2013 5:18:45 GMT -6
We were up 61-0 w/3mins left in 2nd qrtr. 2's were already in. Went to 8min qrtrs in second half and played 2's & 3's in 3rd qrtr. Put JV in in 4th (couldn't burn an extra qrtr with their schedule). Knelt inside 20 during 4th and still won 75-0. Just looking for input regarding how to handle a situation like this. Id have let the 2s finish the 3rd quarter, then everyone plays in the fourth. we believe, regardless of the score, that our ones deserve a half a game. we will work in some 2s if things are out of hand early, but we dont start the twos until the 3rd. we dont play anyone below second string until the 4th qtr period. want to play more? earn it. as far as the score, forget it and work on what you need to work on, its like practice once the game is decided.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 6:44:00 GMT -6
Unfortunately, I've been on the other side of this more than your side in my playing and coaching career. To me, there is nothing wrong with scoring in the second half as long as it's the 2s and 3s doing it. I quite frankly would have been more insulted by your taking a knee then if you'd just kept scoring, again as long as it was the backups you had on the field. Heck, I've lost a game 84-8 and I can honestly say the other team wasn't unsportsmanlike about it. I'm sure others feel differently--and you did score twice in the second half--but your 2s and 3s have the right to play the game the right way and to try and score points as well.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 7, 2013 7:49:27 GMT -6
We were up 61-0 w/3mins left in 2nd qrtr. 2's were already in. Went to 8min qrtrs in second half and played 2's & 3's in 3rd qrtr. Put JV in in 4th (couldn't burn an extra qrtr with their schedule). Knelt inside 20 during 4th and still won 75-0. Just looking for input regarding how to handle a situation like this. That's the right way to do it
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Post by dcchan4 on Sept 7, 2013 8:04:05 GMT -6
You did the right thing, I always let my starters finish the first half because I feel they have earned the right to that playing time regardless of how bad the other team is.
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 7, 2013 8:08:44 GMT -6
Hidden Brag Post
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Post by olinecoach61 on Sept 7, 2013 8:25:59 GMT -6
Well here in ct you would be suspended next week.
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Post by spreadattack on Sept 7, 2013 9:04:59 GMT -6
I have a vivid memory of playing in a game in high school and having the head coach completely chew out the offensive coordinator because, up 60-0 in the 3rd quarter, our third string scored on 60 yard run on an inside trap. The head coach told the OC the only play he was allowed to call was basically the fullback belly. On the first play of the next series the third string fullback broke off a 50 yard run on the fullback belly.
The head coach stared at him and the OC looked like he needed to go hide under the bleachers.
Sometimes there's just not much you can do. Sounds like you guys handled it the right way. It's what my dad used to refer to as an "uptown problem."
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Post by coachbozwhs on Sept 7, 2013 10:46:37 GMT -6
Thanks to all for the constructive comments on both sides. We were playing a new school w/no srs and we remembered being in the same exact situation in 2008 when we were new and had no srs. My biggest concern heading into tomorrow and next week is that we have to play a TOUGH out of state team next Fri after outscoring 1st 2 opponents 122-14. Not a hidden brag post lol, just uncharted territory for our program. Our srs were on the other side of a few of those scores a couple of yrs ago.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 7, 2013 12:36:13 GMT -6
I've been on both sides of these losses and I only take issue with teams that
a) Leave their starters in when they should clearly be pulled. I personally believe that the starters should get most or all of the third quarter in blow-outs but that's subjective. I've coached teams whose starters played half a game a week most of the regular season. It wasnt pretty when we got into the play-offs and they had another half to play.
b) Take a lot of deep shots down the field when the D and D doesn't warrant it. I know it's the defense's job to stop the opposition but there's no reason to throw four verticals on 2nd or 3rd and short when you're up huge. The kids still get solid reps at the rest of your playbook with chucking it down field. It has nothing to do with my own ego or the score; it's about our kids.
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Post by coachbowlin on Sept 7, 2013 19:54:23 GMT -6
You did the right thing coach.
In week 1 this season we were down 40-0 at halftime. The first play of the 2nd half the other team spreads us out and throws a 50 yd bomb on us. They kept their starters in all the way through until about 3 minutes left in the 4th. We ended up losing 66-0. I think that is the ultimate slap in the face and unsportsman like conduct that anyone can do.
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Post by orion320 on Sept 7, 2013 19:57:50 GMT -6
You did the right thing as most people have already posted. In JV games I go all out, only 1's and essential subs play until we get a 14 point lead. After that I start subbing 2's and 3's where we kind hide them until we get up by 21. Then its all 2's and 3's.
Starters do deserve to play an entire half.
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Post by airraider on Sept 8, 2013 12:35:14 GMT -6
Would have been a good time to try to break some national records.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 8, 2013 13:32:38 GMT -6
I am a proponent of the football run rule! If you get ahead 42 points (6td &pat) game over. If it is not halftime let the bands do their shows and then call in the dogs and pi$$ on the fire!
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Post by coachcb on Sept 8, 2013 14:06:08 GMT -6
I am a proponent of the football run rule! If you get ahead 42 points (6td &pat) game over. If it is not halftime let the bands do their shows and then call in the dogs and pi$$ on the fire! We have a mercy rule in 6 and 8 man where the clock runs continually in the second half when there's a 36 point difference in the score. They'll go back to a normal clock if the other team closes the gap but it goes right back into effect when the other team is back up by 36 points.
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Post by dubnicks on Sept 8, 2013 14:47:52 GMT -6
When I lived in Kansas 8-man had a 45 point mercy rule. Hit 45 before half or before the end of the 3rd and the game ended when the quarter finished out. We played 11 man but an 8 man team near us when an entire season with only playing a half of football game until the state championship.
I can see playing a whole game at larger schools though. There are more kids you can get into the game. I've always tried to start subbing 2s in early if the game is that uneven. You feed the excitement of your 2s and 3s by getting them time under the Friday night lights. Throwing them a bone keeps them focused through the season, which breeds a better scout team effort.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 9, 2013 11:04:42 GMT -6
We had the mercy rule here too but it was a mess.
There were too many games where only one half of football was played. The top teams in the state were playing two quarters more often than not.
The running clock worked out better for all involved.
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Post by dubber on Sept 10, 2013 8:39:43 GMT -6
If I were on the losing side and the other team was taking a knee to keep the score down, I would feel worse than if it were 100-0.
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Post by jsk002 on Sept 10, 2013 9:13:39 GMT -6
I think you got it right coach.
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Post by gators1422 on Sept 11, 2013 7:46:58 GMT -6
Sounds like you did all you could. We had a similar situation friday. We were up 44-0 and got the ball with 2 min left in the half at our own 4. We went hurry up just for the work and last weeks game was stopped due to weather. We end up scoring and it's 52-0 at the half. Wound up 60-0 final, we took a knee at the 10 with 4 min left in the 4th. We try to let the starters play the first half then everyone else after that.
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Post by buck42 on Sept 15, 2013 19:29:02 GMT -6
We were in this situation this week. We were up 38-0 with 10 mins left in the 2nd qtr. For the game we only got to run 18 plays and scored 8 times. I pulled our starters at the half. My problem is the other coach asked for a running clock, which is fine, but threw the ball every time in the second half against guys that will never see the field again.
Because of all the time run off between plays and the running clock my 2s and JVs didn't really get to play...4 offensive snaps in the 2nd half.
Similar situation last week when we sub in our 2s and JVs and the other coach fakes a punt. It ticks me off when I call off the dogs and coaches and coaches fake punts and throw the ball after asking for a running clock. As I told the official on my sideline "other coaches make it real hard to do the classy thing"
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Post by newt21 on Sept 16, 2013 18:42:26 GMT -6
I'm in agreement with the others, you did the right thing. I've had a similar situation in that we were up 30-0 at the end of the first quarter. Subbed in second offense and made a few number 2's on defense for second quarter. Final score was 54-0 because we ran back an interception. I'll play my back ups to get extra reps, but I can't tell a kid not to try to score that doesn't usually get the opportunity.
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Post by groundchuck on Sept 16, 2013 21:42:16 GMT -6
We won a game 76-7 in the playoffs one year. We were up 42-0 at the end of the first quarter and started subbing. I played back up RBs with first QB, backup QB with starting backs and finally all backup. I wanted to get everyone game speed comfortable with each other.
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Post by veerman on Sept 17, 2013 21:09:39 GMT -6
Been on both sides like most, I start subbing when I feel game has comfortable lead. Don't care if it's 1st quarter or 4th quarter. My sr year I broke my ankle and have to have surgery. We was up 49-7 against at team that was awful and had zero chance of winning. Did not get to play another game for 6 weeks, and was fortunate to still go play college ball, but that moment taught me a valuable lesson, get starters out when game is out of reach (different for every game) they are not getting better anyways against teams like that, if anything can lead to bad habits... we fight same thing against our scout cause they are so bad.
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Post by dytmook on Sept 18, 2013 7:18:21 GMT -6
We won a game 76-7 in the playoffs one year. We were up 42-0 at the end of the first quarter and started subbing. I played back up RBs with first QB, backup QB with starting backs and finally all backup. I wanted to get everyone game speed comfortable with each other. We did the same thing this past week with a team. Then we had a parent of a stater say he was ticked off his son did not get to play more in a game we were up 62-6 until our freshmen were basically in.
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Post by coachpsl on Sept 24, 2013 4:57:02 GMT -6
Won a JV game tonight 42-8 while dressing 15 kids against a larger school who dressed near 30. I subbed everyone I could sub at 30-0. We stopped running our main RB because (they couldn't tackle him and it seemed pointless to keep letting him run wild). But we have a freshman QB who hasn't played football prior to this season so I told our OC ( I am the DC) to keep running the O with as many subs as I had on the SL to put in but leave the QB. No trick plays, no playaction, no onside kicks. I subbed on D also and kept calling base defense with occasional pressures (I had subbed LBs so I wasn't rushing studs at em). After the game the other coaches call us classless and one coach even did the "hold me back, don't you dare come near me".
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Post by John Knight on Oct 5, 2013 5:49:26 GMT -6
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 5, 2013 12:55:16 GMT -6
I don't even know how you score 98 in a game time wise.
John Knight, my wife's dad lives in Columbus, said in the Ready game the starters were pulled after the first half, a lot of JV and ST points...no clue how true that is but if that's the case then what can the HC do?
Out your way I heard a coach did NOT handle success very well, up huge in the 4th ran two fake punts?
Either way, I hope I am never on either side of those games where a coach does the classless thing...so far so good.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 5, 2013 13:14:46 GMT -6
The losing team Beat our team a few weeks ago. I just saw the score. I was not shocked that Ready won big just surprised at the score.
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