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Post by fantom on Sept 4, 2013 12:55:12 GMT -6
Blb's reply in the "Getting fed" thread led me to wonder about something else that's different from place to place: live scouting. In an urban area with several city stadiums there are games here on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday some weekends so we have a lot of opportunities to do it. Obviously, if all of your and your opponents games are Friday (or Saturday) the varsity staff can't scout.
I was curious about other programs' attitudes toward live scouting?
1. Do you ever have the opportunity for varsity coaches to scout live?
2. If so, do you usually take that opportunity?
3. If not do you send subvarsity coaches or friends of the program?
4. In some posts that I've read, it seems that by "scouting" they mean "filming". What does your live scouting entail?
5. How valuable do you consider live scouting?
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Post by joker31 on Sept 4, 2013 13:05:17 GMT -6
Live scouting is good for only 2 things, size and speed. Judging true size and speed is hard on film.
We lack the manpower to send people to do it since we play on the same days, but if we had games on different days and we weren't practicing/had free time we would do it.
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 4, 2013 13:18:52 GMT -6
Size and speed. Exactly why we live scout whenever capable. Our JV plays home games on Thursday afternoon and our Varsity plays Friday afternoon. So, we always have someone check them out. I've also had issues with coaches and film exchanges. "Why did the tape skip from 3rd and 15 to black and then come back in on 1st down?"
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Post by dytmook on Sept 4, 2013 15:36:54 GMT -6
We don't plan on live scouting this year every week. We did this past week because our opponent played on a different day. My brother and I were the live scouts the past 2-3 years and I think hudl is really taking the need away and I'm not complaining.
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Post by realdawg on Sept 4, 2013 18:01:03 GMT -6
Only time we get to live scout is if we get rained out and our next opponent doesn't. This is rare. Happened maybe twice ever. This is in NC
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Post by John Knight on Sept 5, 2013 4:43:00 GMT -6
If you coach things like cadence and tempo it is hard to tell that on film(haha)! Video doesn't tell all and can be cut and manipulated sometimes not even intentionally. Some video you get in trade is worthless, either to far away or just on the film guy's son. You get a chance to see them live. Take it!
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Post by planck on Sept 5, 2013 5:47:09 GMT -6
At my last stop we would always go and shoot our own film. JV and freshmen coaches worked 3-4 scout crews on rotating teams. Go, shoot GOOD film (not the garbage that you often get in trades that some manager shot between snap chatting her BFF). Live scouting is nice for tempo and general impressions, but good film is worth it's weight in gold. When our scout was there, they always picked up a program and made notes (studs, tempo, general {censored} like that). It's a nice edge to have, but not worth sacrificing things like good practice prep, etc.
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 5, 2013 15:17:03 GMT -6
Our staff, especially the HC and top assistant, value live scouting probably more than any team around. As I've said in other threads, our staff has been together for about 30 years, except for me, but I played for this staff. Every coach played at the school etc. We are a very old school program, we run our same 5-3 defense that we ran in 1960. Scouting live is a must for us. I am a varsity coach and I will do most of the scouting, even if that means I miss our varsity game. Our top assistant use to do the scouting before I came around. Frankly he would still be doing it, but they tried me out when I first came along and they trust me to do it. I hand write every play the offense runs and I will diagram defense and special teams and take a lot of notes. I will then hand in a report to the HC on Sunday.
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Post by newhope on Sept 9, 2013 12:38:57 GMT -6
In the two states I've worked, you can't film an opponents game. It's like a cardinal sin. Almost saw a fight at a conference meeting over that years ago. Private school came into the league, filmed the opponent during the first week---tables and chairs were cleared before cooler heads prevailed.
We don't live scout except on open dates, haven't done it in 20 years.
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 9, 2013 13:06:38 GMT -6
That's crazy. Scouting is not only accepted but widely accepted in my part of California. Where do you coach, newpride?
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Post by fantom on Sept 9, 2013 13:27:39 GMT -6
I don't love live scouting but I do think that it has some value. Somebody mentioned tempo, which you can't always see on film. Most of the questions that you have when you walk in, though, are answered by the end of the first quarter.
I prefer scouting early in the season because it gives me a jump on preparation for that team.
One trend that veteran coaches here always remark about is how younger coaches don't get out to scout. It used to be that every coach that wasn't playing that day would be out scouting. Now, even though we've had Thursday, Friday, and Saturday games (double-headers at some stadiums) we see the same faces at games that we scout.
Scouts aren't allowed to film here either.
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