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Post by flingt on Sept 2, 2013 16:44:04 GMT -6
My son is playing 11 year old football this year as a first time player. His coach never played football, no biggie, but did tell a coaching colleague of mine that he knows more about "youth football" than he or I do. Now, I'm not even touching that with a rebuttal. I have been coaching, for a living, for 21 years at the ms, hs and college levels. I think the the guy is an accountant or something. I have taught elementary school, middle and high school. The team is a feeder team to the high school were I coach, and with his logic, we know more that college coaches.
This is why I was hesitant to let my son play, guys like this. Is it ego, ignorance or insecurity, but someone please tell me how/why some guys are like this.
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Post by mahonz on Sept 2, 2013 17:35:44 GMT -6
If I remember right...you have been fearing this day.
Just sit back.... be a fan and let your boy do his thing. He is going to have fun.
Oh...and hire this guy to do your taxes...he sounds very confident.
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Post by coachrobpsl on Sept 3, 2013 5:32:14 GMT -6
It has been my experience that good youth coaches do have a better understanding of the youth game than higher level coaches do. Not that a youth coach would know more about football, I wouldn't argue that for a second. It is just that the youth game is different. Not from an x's and o'x standpoint but from a player execution and knowledge standpoint. Heir are some weird idiosyncrasies to the youth game. Like trap not usually working until they are about 12, butterflies challenging you for their attention, mmp rules, restricted practice times, parents being at practice trying to coach their kids in the middle of practice, psycho control freak board members,weird rules, the don't ever kick deep/always go for it on 4th arguement(which many youth coaches live by with great success), the lack of the need for a safety at the younger levels. Every level of the game is different. I have a good friend who has a resume in coaching that I will never approach but I promise you he has little understanding of the youth game. THat is based on many conversations with him on the subject. His knowledge of the game is triple of what mine is. He also would not be offended if I were to tell him that he does not understand the youth game. In fact he told me such. The difference is that this guy felt the need to put that comment out there. Let your boy play and attend a practice. You will know immediately whether this guy can coach. Chances are he cannot though based on the fact that he is already defending himself.
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Post by jrk5150 on Sept 3, 2013 8:59:14 GMT -6
I have taught elementary school, middle and high school. And did you teach them the same way at each level? In retrospect, when you were teaching in the elementary school, do you think the HS biology teacher could have come in and taught your class if they'd never taught elementary school? I'm sure they'd know the content of the text books, but would they know the best way to present the material, and how to interact with the kids in a productive way? Some teachers I'm sure just have "it" and could move from age to age and not miss a beat. Some coaches can too. Absolutely. But it's not the same game, just like it's not the same classroom... |
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 3, 2013 9:16:07 GMT -6
I've coached high school ball with guys who coached at D1 programs. They were LOST at times. Younger level football requires different styles of coaching because the kids are veritable blank slates. Forget blitzes and fronts. Teach them how to put on shoulder pads and properly tie their shoes. It just depends on the coach. All that being said, good coaches show you how good they are. They don't have to tell you how good they are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 10:39:21 GMT -6
My son is playing 11 year old football this year as a first time player. His coach never played football, no biggie, but did tell a coaching colleague of mine that he knows more about "youth football" than he or I do. Now, I'm not even touching that with a rebuttal. I have been coaching, for a living, for 21 years at the ms, hs and college levels. I think the the guy is an accountant or something. I have taught elementary school, middle and high school. The team is a feeder team to the high school were I coach, and with his logic, we know more that college coaches. This is why I was hesitant to let my son play, guys like this. Is it ego, ignorance or insecurity, but someone please tell me how/why some guys are like this. Ask him if his coaching expertise has ever earned him a penny, on the field ... then tell him to shut up |
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 3, 2013 11:03:02 GMT -6
My son is playing 11 year old football this year as a first time player. His coach never played football, no biggie, but did tell a coaching colleague of mine that he knows more about "youth football" than he or I do. Now, I'm not even touching that with a rebuttal. I have been coaching, for a living, for 21 years at the ms, hs and college levels. I think the the guy is an accountant or something. I have taught elementary school, middle and high school. The team is a feeder team to the high school were I coach, and with his logic, we know more that college coaches. This is why I was hesitant to let my son play, guys like this. Is it ego, ignorance or insecurity, but someone please tell me how/why some guys are like this. Sports are competitive, so coaches tend to be competitive too. Also I was told as a teacher that it was a good idea to bluff with students regarding how much you knew or how much experience you had, rather than telling them the truth if you didn't, just because it was better to project an air of authority. |
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Post by flingt on Sept 3, 2013 11:15:39 GMT -6
I have taught elementary school, middle and high school. And did you teach them the same way at each level? In retrospect, when you were teaching in the elementary school, do you think the HS biology teacher could have come in and taught your class if they'd never taught elementary school? I'm sure they'd know the content of the text books, but would they know the best way to present the material, and how to interact with the kids in a productive way? Some teachers I'm sure just have "it" and could move from age to age and not miss a beat. Some coaches can too. Absolutely. But it's not the same game, just like it's not the same classroom... No, of course not. Well, to me the game is the same, except the speed is slower and the coaching should be more specific. The game is still blocking and tackling. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 11:18:46 GMT -6
My son is playing 11 year old football this year as a first time player. His coach never played football, no biggie, but did tell a coaching colleague of mine that he knows more about "youth football" than he or I do. Now, I'm not even touching that with a rebuttal. I have been coaching, for a living, for 21 years at the ms, hs and college levels. I think the the guy is an accountant or something. I have taught elementary school, middle and high school. The team is a feeder team to the high school were I coach, and with his logic, we know more that college coaches. This is why I was hesitant to let my son play, guys like this. Is it ego, ignorance or insecurity, but someone please tell me how/why some guys are like this. on neither end does it make a damn bit of difference. Ultimately their are idiots and genius's on both ends of the spectrum. The idiots always tend to get their rear ends kicked. The geniuses seem to be lucky, have all the talent, win every league ship....And neither is a coincidence. |
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Post by dcchan4 on Sept 3, 2013 11:27:44 GMT -6
My son is playing 11 year old football this year as a first time player. His coach never played football, no biggie, but did tell a coaching colleague of mine that he knows more about "youth football" than he or I do. Now, I'm not even touching that with a rebuttal. I have been coaching, for a living, for 21 years at the ms, hs and college levels. I think the the guy is an accountant or something. I have taught elementary school, middle and high school. The team is a feeder team to the high school were I coach, and with his logic, we know more that college coaches. This is why I was hesitant to let my son play, guys like this. Is it ego, ignorance or insecurity, but someone please tell me how/why some guys are like this. I've coached at youth and high school, and there is a difference between each level, but what I realized in my time coaching is that coaches who talk about knowing more than other coaches are often idiots. |
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Post by flingt on Sept 3, 2013 11:28:28 GMT -6
Well, thanks for all of responses. Some I agree with, some I don't.
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Post by mahonz on Sept 3, 2013 11:34:29 GMT -6
Well, thanks for all of responses. Some I agree with, some I don't. Give it a chance...I feel for you. I cant even go watch my Grand Daughter play 8U sokker without getting upset....and I know nothing about that stoooopid game and I have never been paid a dime to coach football. Just take off your coaches hat and be a fan. Its rather liberating really if you can just chill. I have had Dads like you on our Teams before and they end up pretty happy running the chains and being the #1 fan. |
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Post by jrk5150 on Sept 3, 2013 11:35:26 GMT -6
No, of course not. Well, to me the game is the same, except the speed is slower and the coaching should be more specific. The game is still blocking and tackling. But it's not "just" a slower game. Youth compared to HS, there are frequently significant differences in things that aren't X's and O's, that aren't necessarily about the actual game of football, that dramatically impact how and what you teach as part of the game. The players' mental comprehension capabilities are different. Their physical capabilities are different. Their motivations to be on the team are different. The involvement of the parents is frequently different. There are typically minimum play rules that create schematic and game management issues that no HS coach has ever dealt with. There is distinctly less practice time to teach those less knowledgeable and less capable players, all of whom have to get on the field. Is it about blocking and tackling? Yes, it is. But you can't necessarily teach even the blocking and tackling the same way you teach it in HS. Similarly to what pslcoachrob said - each level of football has its niche, and the practitioners within that niche certainly have a potential advantage over those in another niche. Of course, IMO, it would probably take an experienced HS coach who wanted to learn the youth game a heck of a lot less time to catch up than it would take, say, me to learn the HS game.I'll also say that I'm not defending that coach either. Unless he knows YOUR background, it's irresponsible of him to say anything. Probably shouldn't say anything anyway, regardless. Of course, until you see him operate, you really don't know if he's right, either. :-) |
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Post by pirate1590 on Sept 3, 2013 12:29:03 GMT -6
There are self centered jagoffs in every league man. I divide coaches up into quarters. 1/4 does it because they love football and want to make a difference in kids lives, 1/4 does it because thats what their child is intrested in and they want to help out,they may not know much about football but they want to help out of love for their child. and the next half only is in it to make their child the "star" football player they never were and to inflate their egos. Trust me, my youngest is 8 right now and he's got a pretty good arm and is decently athletic but he starts on defense for me, he will not start at 1back or QB UNTIL HE HAS PROVEN HE CAN SUCCEED CONSISTENTLY. Those positions are the most important positions on the field, the best players should play them period. If a kid happens to be one of them at the position its not a issue. Where it becomes an issue is when the kid is a poor player and is only playing because of his father. That not only hurts the team that DESTROYS the psyche of that child, because he knows that (most of the time).
At older levels 5th + grades when i scouted teams I would get the HCs name and since we had their roster for next weeks game I made sure to circle the coaches kids. in about 80% of them, they were playing a skill(QB,RB,WR) position and in about half of those cases it was clear they were not the best players, but the majority of the plays are going to them. I'm not gonna say he is that type, he may just be trying to ward off parents(like we all do)and just phrased it wrong. I would monitor him closely, not that you can really do anything. JUST DO NOT INTERFERE UNLESS IT IS EGREGIOUSLY HARMING YOUR CHILD
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Post by mahonz on Sept 3, 2013 13:04:55 GMT -6
There are self centered jagoffs in every league man. I divide coaches up into quarters. 1/4 does it because they love football and want to make a difference in kids lives, 1/4 does it because thats what their child is intrested in and they want to help out,they may not know much about football but they want to help out of love for their child. and the next half only is in it to make their child the "star" football player they never were and to inflate their egos. Trust me, my youngest is 8 right now and he's got a pretty good arm and is decently athletic but he starts on defense for me, he will not start at 1back or QB UNTIL HE HAS PROVEN HE CAN SUCCEED CONSISTENTLY. Those positions are the most important positions on the field, the best players should play them period. If a kid happens to be one of them at the position its not a issue. Where it becomes an issue is when the kid is a poor player and is only playing because of his father. That not only hurts the team that DESTROYS the psyche of that child, because he knows that (most of the time). At older levels 5th + grades when i scouted teams I would get the HCs name and since we had their roster for next weeks game I made sure to circle the coaches kids. in about 80% of them, they were playing a skill(QB,RB,WR) position and in about half of those cases it was clear they were not the best players, but the majority of the plays are going to them. I'm not gonna say he is that type, he may just be trying to ward off parents(like we all do)and just phrased it wrong. I would monitor him closely, not that you can really do anything. JUST DO NOT INTERFERE UNLESS IT IS EGREGIOUSLY HARMING YOUR CHILD I never really understood this argument. I have coached against 100's of youth teams and if there was a better QB or a better RB on one of these teams....I had no clue because they weren't playing QB or RB. One thing is for sure...the Parents of the backup RB and backup QB probably think their sons are better. Also...if you are the HC and your son is a top candidate for QB....how is making him prove himself on Defense helping the Team? He is now a year behind with that valuable game day experience. I never have an issue with the Headers son playing QB....makes sense really. He gets that added coaching at home. A good thing for the QB position...especially the young ones. You put in 100's of hours as a volunteer...if your son plays a "skill" position..so what. If one of the Parents complains then hand them a whistle...then watch them run. Finally...the most important position on any youth Offense....Center. |
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Post by 33coach on Sept 4, 2013 9:29:58 GMT -6
My son is playing 11 year old football this year as a first time player. His coach never played football, no biggie, but did tell a coaching colleague of mine that he knows more about "youth football" than he or I do. Now, I'm not even touching that with a rebuttal. I have been coaching, for a living, for 21 years at the ms, hs and college levels. I think the the guy is an accountant or something. I have taught elementary school, middle and high school. The team is a feeder team to the high school were I coach, and with his logic, we know more that college coaches. This is why I was hesitant to let my son play, guys like this. Is it ego, ignorance or insecurity, but someone please tell me how/why some guys are like this. coach, as others im sure have said (i have not read the rest of the thread) every level of football, is a completely different game. i would say that i know a HELL of a lot more about youth football then a college coach. and you probably know a lot more about HS football then i do. i actually agree with his logic. what works at the MS/HS/College levels...will not work at the youth level. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 4, 2013 12:40:38 GMT -6
Let's keep in mind that the original poster listed in his experience "ms" football as well as middle school teaching. My understanding of middle school is that although it differs a bit from place to place, it can go down to as young as 5th grade. When I was of that age, we didn't have middle school, which was adopted a little later in NYC, we had junior high school, which was 7th & 8th grade. My understanding of middle school is that it's usually grades 6 thru 8 or 7 thru 9, with some outliers starting at grade 5.
Anyway, he was discussing an 11 YO player. I'd say that's, if not exactly within the range the coach who posted here said he had both teaching & coaching experience with, at least pretty close.
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Post by mahonz on Sept 4, 2013 13:00:54 GMT -6
Let's keep in mind that the original poster listed in his experience "ms" football as well as middle school teaching. My understanding of middle school is that although it differs a bit from place to place, it can go down to as young as 5th grade. When I was of that age, we didn't have middle school, which was adopted a little later in NYC, we had junior high school, which was 7th & 8th grade. My understanding of middle school is that it's usually grades 6 thru 8 or 7 thru 9, with some outliers starting at grade 5. Anyway, he was discussing an 11 YO player. I'd say that's, if not exactly within the range the coach who posted here said he had both teaching & coaching experience with, at least pretty close. Bob Around here....if they had MS Sports at all....that would be 7th and 8th graders or 12's and 13 year olds....and a sprinkling of 14 year olds. So when someone says they coach MS level I think 7th and 8th graders. Youth...K-6th graders....HS....9-12th graders. Here...a youth coach is from K-8th grade. So I agree it is confusing to appreciate all of the "levels" below HS sometimes. For me its easy...there is only one level. |
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Post by flingt on Sept 5, 2013 13:11:31 GMT -6
My son is playing 11 year old football this year as a first time player. His coach never played football, no biggie, but did tell a coaching colleague of mine that he knows more about "youth football" than he or I do. Now, I'm not even touching that with a rebuttal. I have been coaching, for a living, for 21 years at the ms, hs and college levels. I think the the guy is an accountant or something. I have taught elementary school, middle and high school. The team is a feeder team to the high school were I coach, and with his logic, we know more that college coaches. This is why I was hesitant to let my son play, guys like this. Is it ego, ignorance or insecurity, but someone please tell me how/why some guys are like this. every level of football, is a completely different game. i would say that i know a HELL of a lot more about youth football then a college coach. and you probably know a lot more about HS football then i do. i actually agree with his logic. what works at the MS/HS/College levels...will not work at the youth level. My question to you is, and no offense intended, but how do you know? I've coached three different levels of football and other than the speed of the game and the amount of fundatmentals the game was the same. Did the younger kids cry more when they got hurt, yes, were parents more involved with the younger kids, sure. Was the game different, no. Teaching is teaching and I am a teacher, as all coaches are. |
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Post by 33coach on Sept 5, 2013 13:22:03 GMT -6
every level of football, is a completely different game. i would say that i know a HELL of a lot more about youth football then a college coach. and you probably know a lot more about HS football then i do. i actually agree with his logic. what works at the MS/HS/College levels...will not work at the youth level. My question to you is, and no offense intended, but how do you know? I've coached three different levels of football and other than the speed of the game and the amount of fundatmentals the game was the same. Did the younger kids cry more when they got hurt, yes, were parents more involved with the younger kids, sure. Was the game different, no. Teaching is teaching and I am a teacher, as all coaches are. ive coached Youth, MS, and HS. the game is absolutely different. Different Rules: (Youth League Minimum Play Rules, Accommodation rules like no head up on the center, no blitzing...etc) Different Schemes: HS I saw a lot of Spread and Veer, Youth I saw a lot of I form, MS I saw a mix. Different levels of Engagement and Responsibility: Youth teams I've had kids miss practice for tons of reasons.... HS we excused no one for anything Different Goals: a youth coach who is out to win is not doing his job...a HS who isn't out to win is jobless....MS...somewhere in between.. and thats just the start of it..im sure i can find more differences and the way the game is absolutely different and is almost uncomparable.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 13:28:26 GMT -6
every level of football, is a completely different game. i would say that i know a HELL of a lot more about youth football then a college coach. and you probably know a lot more about HS football then i do. i actually agree with his logic. what works at the MS/HS/College levels...will not work at the youth level. My question to you is, and no offense intended, but how do you know? I've coached three different levels of football and other than the speed of the game and the amount of fundatmentals the game was the same. Did the younger kids cry more when they got hurt, yes, were parents more involved with the younger kids, sure. Was the game different, no. Teaching is teaching and I am a teacher, as all coaches are. Coach, Lot of youth coaches and hs coaches cannot and will never see it that way. But you are absolutely right. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 13:33:28 GMT -6
My question to you is, and no offense intended, but how do you know? I've coached three different levels of football and other than the speed of the game and the amount of fundatmentals the game was the same. Did the younger kids cry more when they got hurt, yes, were parents more involved with the younger kids, sure. Was the game different, no. Teaching is teaching and I am a teacher, as all coaches are. ive coached Youth, MS, and HS. the game is absolutely different. Different Rules: (Youth League Minimum Play Rules, Accommodation rules like no head up on the center, no blitzing...etc) Different Schemes: HS I saw a lot of Spread and Veer, Youth I saw a lot of I form, MS I saw a mix. Different levels of Engagement and Responsibility: Youth teams I've had kids miss practice for tons of reasons.... HS we excused no one for anything Different Goals: a youth coach who is out to win is not doing his job...a HS who isn't out to win is jobless....MS...somewhere in between.. and thats just the start of it..im sure i can find more differences and the way the game is absolutely different and is almost uncomparable.... With all due respect IT IS VERY MUCH YOUR JOB... the consequences the same, but it is very your job to win..and the scoreboard is just the artificial score keeper. Try telling your kids that winning isn't important. or that losing is ok. The minute the kid pops out, he know when he is winning and when he is losing. |
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Post by 33coach on Sept 5, 2013 14:45:01 GMT -6
ive coached Youth, MS, and HS. the game is absolutely different. Different Rules: (Youth League Minimum Play Rules, Accommodation rules like no head up on the center, no blitzing...etc) Different Schemes: HS I saw a lot of Spread and Veer, Youth I saw a lot of I form, MS I saw a mix. Different levels of Engagement and Responsibility: Youth teams I've had kids miss practice for tons of reasons.... HS we excused no one for anything Different Goals: a youth coach who is out to win is not doing his job...a HS who isn't out to win is jobless....MS...somewhere in between.. and thats just the start of it..im sure i can find more differences and the way the game is absolutely different and is almost uncomparable.... With all due respect IT IS VERY MUCH YOUR JOB... the consequences the same, but it is very your job to win..and the scoreboard is just the artificial score keeper. Try telling your kids that winning isn't important. or that losing is ok. The minute the kid pops out, he know when he is winning and when he is losing. but as a youth coach, if you win at the expense of kids, you should not be coaching youth ball.... that's why MPP rules exist.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 14:58:22 GMT -6
With all due respect IT IS VERY MUCH YOUR JOB... the consequences the same, but it is very your job to win..and the scoreboard is just the artificial score keeper. Try telling your kids that winning isn't important. or that losing is ok. The minute the kid pops out, he know when he is winning and when he is losing. but as a youth coach, if you win at the expense of kids, you should not be coaching youth ball.... that's why MPP rules exist.... forget the scoreboard...Everything you say and do with those, whether you know it is win/lose. If you think your interaction with them, the words you use., the way you carry yourself, how you treat those kid, how you talk to them, is not a win/lose situation you are mistaken. THAT IS WHAT kid take away from youth football, athletics in general, It is almost never the score. And the score in the moment means everything to those, whether the adult keep score or not. so to tell them otherwise is an L in the coach w-L record . No different then telling them to not cuss, or drink and have them see/hear you doing those things. |
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Post by 33coach on Sept 5, 2013 15:12:41 GMT -6
but as a youth coach, if you win at the expense of kids, you should not be coaching youth ball.... that's why MPP rules exist.... forget the scoreboard...Everything you say and do with those, whether you know it is win/lose. If you think your interaction with them, the words you use., the way you carry yourself, how you treat those kid, how you talk to them, is not a win/lose situation you are mistaken. THAT IS WHAT kid take away from youth football, athletics in general, It is almost never the score. And the score in the moment means everything to those, whether the adult keep score or not. so to tell them otherwise is an L in the coach w-L record . No different then telling them to not cuss, or drink and have them see/hear you doing those things. I don't know coach, ive coached championship youth teams, and some of those players are now varsity starters, they cant remember how many wins/losses we had...but they remember how coaches treated them and the skills. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 18:14:31 GMT -6
forget the scoreboard...Everything you say and do with those, whether you know it is win/lose. If you think your interaction with them, the words you use., the way you carry yourself, how you treat those kid, how you talk to them, is not a win/lose situation you are mistaken. THAT IS WHAT kid take away from youth football, athletics in general, It is almost never the score. And the score in the moment means everything to those, whether the adult keep score or not. so to tell them otherwise is an L in the coach w-L record . No different then telling them to not cuss, or drink and have them see/hear you doing those things. I don't know coach, ive coached championship youth teams, and some of those players are now varsity starters, they cant remember how many wins/losses we had...but they remember how coaches treated them and the skills. the key phrase is in the moment.....not the phrase 10 yrs from now. In the moment, their is nothing better than beating kids who they will see walking down the hall at school on Monday or the next. But what they remember 10 yrs from now is not that...it is the coaches, the little stupid saying they remember, and most of the time the friend they made then and still have. And if you don't think that the latter isn't important, isn't about winning, you are mistaken. Those relationships, those stupid little saying they remember, The negative or positive influence a coach has on their life is a win or a loss. It is always about winning and losing. That winning and losing is far more important than any scoreboard. I have been part of ship teams where the talent won and the coaches lost the players. You can win in the win loss column and lose because of how you treated kids in many different forms. Kids figure out that they were manipulated, that what an adult said is bogus, that the coach is a liar....You cant fool kids. Eventually they figure out the truth, the beauty of kids. and if you pull that crap as a coach, you as a coach have lost, even though the scoreboard on game night says you are the champ. |
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Post by 33coach on Sept 5, 2013 18:29:28 GMT -6
I don't know coach, ive coached championship youth teams, and some of those players are now varsity starters, they cant remember how many wins/losses we had...but they remember how coaches treated them and the skills. the key phrase is in the moment.....not the phrase 10 yrs from now. In the moment, their is nothing better than beating kids who they will see walking down the hall at school on Monday or the next. But what they remember 10 yrs from now is not that...it is the coaches, the little stupid saying they remember, and most of the time the friend they made then and still have. And if you don't think that the latter isn't important, isn't about winning, you are mistaken. Those relationships, those stupid little saying they remember, The negative or positive influence a coach has on their life is a win or a loss. It is always about winning and losing. That winning and losing is far more important than any scoreboard. I have been part of ship teams where the talent won and the coaches lost the players. You can win in the win loss column and lose because of how you treated kids in many different forms. Kids figure out that they were manipulated, that what an adult said is bogus, that the coach is a liar....You cant fool kids. Eventually they figure out the truth, the beauty of kids. and if you pull that crap as a coach, you as a coach have lost, even though the scoreboard on game night says you are the champ. I feel like we are arguing the same point from two directions. The score and the record matter less then the coaches, the life lessons and the relationships. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 20:11:26 GMT -6
the key phrase is in the moment.....not the phrase 10 yrs from now. In the moment, their is nothing better than beating kids who they will see walking down the hall at school on Monday or the next. But what they remember 10 yrs from now is not that...it is the coaches, the little stupid saying they remember, and most of the time the friend they made then and still have. And if you don't think that the latter isn't important, isn't about winning, you are mistaken. Those relationships, those stupid little saying they remember, The negative or positive influence a coach has on their life is a win or a loss. It is always about winning and losing. That winning and losing is far more important than any scoreboard. I have been part of ship teams where the talent won and the coaches lost the players. You can win in the win loss column and lose because of how you treated kids in many different forms. Kids figure out that they were manipulated, that what an adult said is bogus, that the coach is a liar....You cant fool kids. Eventually they figure out the truth, the beauty of kids. and if you pull that crap as a coach, you as a coach have lost, even though the scoreboard on game night says you are the champ. I feel like we are arguing the same point from two directions. The score and the record matter less then the coaches, the life lessons and the relationships. the coaches the life lessons and the relationship are things your kids win AND lose at, no different than the scoreboard. You cannot choose what is about winning and losing it is all about WINNING AND LOSING. |
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