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Post by Inthesticks on Aug 20, 2013 7:12:49 GMT -6
Just curious to see what reasons you would or reasons you have had to kick a kid off the team for the year.
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 20, 2013 9:15:16 GMT -6
Excerpt from our Parent/Player contract which must be signed before attending a single practice:
"Any behavior that is seen as causing direct or indirect harm to the program will be dealt with accordingly by the coaching staff. Continual dismissal of corrective behavior will result in being removed from all team events, including spectating games. To represent this school in athletic contests is a privilege and an honor, not a right."
It's rarely used. The way I see it, only cut kids who are an anchor. Kids who just flat out refuse to show up, repeatedly talk back to coaches, start fights or cause drama, etc. Kids with crappy attitudes are fine as long as you can manage them and help adjust it. Once it starts to permeate though, you gotta cut them loose.
I understand the whole "we gotta help this kid" mentality. I've been a player and a coach on staff with kids who totally ruined our chemistry but stayed on because our head coach wanted to keep them off the streets. I saw it as a disservice to the 39 of us who busted our butts to constantly be punished for the terrible habits of 3 of us. I'll never stand for it again.
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 20, 2013 9:20:50 GMT -6
Best story was of a kid I coached out in the Stockton area who flat out didn't try. He was constantly bad mouthing the program. We were a new school and in our first year of varsity competition. He started telling other players that our offense would never work and that our defense made no sense. It wasn't that he was lazy and not trying. I finally flipped when he started saying these things at a contact camp. Buddy ended up having his mom drive two hours out to pick him up. Never played again. Now he is a dropout who works at the McDonalds down the street from the school. I'm sure that wasn't his fault either.
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Post by Inthesticks on Aug 20, 2013 9:55:30 GMT -6
It seems like a fine line between keeping a kid around and giving him that personal experience of HS football compared to doing what's best for the TEAM.
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 20, 2013 10:02:10 GMT -6
Absolutely. But like you said. It's a personal experience vs the good of the team. When those two start to conflict, you have a problem. If you can address it and correct it, good. If not, one has to be sacrificed.
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Post by newhope on Aug 20, 2013 10:30:14 GMT -6
I'm not sure the line is all that fine. It's not rec league, it's not everybody gets to play, it's not everybody gets a trophy. When you harm the team, you have to go. When you can't do the right things, you have to go. You can't save them all...if you try, some you could have saved will get dragged down by the others. There are a lot of great experiences lots of people miss out on because they can't do the right things.
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Post by Inthesticks on Aug 20, 2013 18:44:31 GMT -6
I'm not sure the line is all that fine. It's not rec league, it's not everybody gets to play, it's not everybody gets a trophy. When you harm the team, you have to go. When you can't do the right things, you have to go. You can't save them all...if you try, some you could have saved will get dragged down by the others. There are a lot of great experiences lots of people miss out on because they can't do the right things. Well put. The last sentence hits the nail on the head.
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Post by realdawg on Aug 20, 2013 19:39:25 GMT -6
Well so far, one for missing too many days. Two for stabbing each other in the parking lot
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Post by newhope on Aug 20, 2013 20:03:23 GMT -6
Well so far, one for missing too many days. Two for stabbing each other in the parking lot Yep, hard to condone those stabbings.
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Post by fantom on Aug 20, 2013 20:12:20 GMT -6
Well so far, one for missing too many days. Two for stabbing each other in the parking lot Yep, hard to condone those stabbings. Hey, they stabbed each other. It's a victimless crime.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Aug 20, 2013 20:44:28 GMT -6
Well so far, one for missing too many days. Two for stabbing each other in the parking lot Yep, hard to condone those stabbings. Our program frowns on shankings also.
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Post by realdawg on Aug 21, 2013 3:49:28 GMT -6
Yeah, first kid stabbed the other kid with his hair pick-jabbed it in so deep it stuck in the kids arm, so he ran to his car to get his blade.
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Post by newhope on Aug 21, 2013 6:29:52 GMT -6
See, guys, it's really not that bad at your place after all (unless, of course, you have stabbings as well).
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 21, 2013 8:01:37 GMT -6
he stabbed him with a hair pick? Like an afro pick? How hard do you have to swing to get one of those to stick in someone's arm?
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Post by fballcoachg on Aug 21, 2013 17:46:48 GMT -6
Same boat as realdawg, the only kid we actually let go was facing criminal charges for tying up and robbing someone at gunpoint. We have had kids fighting substance abuse and anger issues at my old place as well but we always gave them a long term opportunity to work back on to the field. The only others who have left the program couldn't handle the structure and consequences for their actions and let themselves go.
It's a very fine line with some of them but the old HC always errored on the side of the individual kid, I would not have necessarily handled each situation the same way but it was/is his program so you do with it what you can.
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Post by realdawg on Aug 21, 2013 19:51:56 GMT -6
Yes. An Afro pick. Idk how hard he stabbed him with it. I wasn't in the parking lot when it happened. Saw the kid at freshman orientation and he asked what he had to do to get back on the team. LOL
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