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Oct 20, 2007 18:25:43 GMT -6
Post by kcbazooka on Oct 20, 2007 18:25:43 GMT -6
Have had some good games this year but now have lost a couple in a row wth our best opponents yet to come.
The morning after a loss I feel as though I have been a fifteen round knockout boxing match -- getting older - I don't remember feeling like this before...physcially beat up
Just thought I'd write - great football board ---
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Oct 20, 2007 18:53:28 GMT -6
Post by airraider on Oct 20, 2007 18:53:28 GMT -6
Last night was the worst night of my coaching career. I never left a game feeling so defeated.
The whole drive home, I really questioned my ability as a coach.
But after watching film, I simply just wondered what else can you do?
My QB was 15-23 for a mere 77 yards.. all of the incompletions were shots down field.. trying to hit the post between the safeties.. dropped..
Hit the post corner in the smash.. over thrown..
Twice wide open guys on the comeback.. QB made bad throws..
Twice on double move plays (zip and up.. and out and up) the corner bit.. then had enough speed to recover and make a play on the ball..
All of the short passes.. we get tackled by the first guy..
Short of scraping the offense (which I am NOT going to do) I just dont know what can be done..
How do you make non-athletes competitive??
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Oct 20, 2007 18:59:08 GMT -6
Post by Yash on Oct 20, 2007 18:59:08 GMT -6
Air Raider, to answer your question, Run the option!!! To the first guy, I hate losing and I work hard to win, but you gotta remember the sun is still gonna rise the next day, so as much as we hate losing remember its a game played for fun. And yes winning is more fun, but you can take a lot more out of a game than just wins and losses. If the only thing your football program has going for it are W's and L's, you need to take another look at the program.
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Oct 20, 2007 19:56:25 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Oct 20, 2007 19:56:25 GMT -6
Last night was the worst night of my coaching career. I never left a game feeling so defeated. The whole drive home, I really questioned my ability as a coach. But after watching film, I simply just wondered what else can you do? My QB was 15-23 for a mere 77 yards.. all of the incompletions were shots down field.. trying to hit the post between the safeties.. dropped.. Hit the post corner in the smash.. over thrown.. Twice wide open guys on the comeback.. QB made bad throws.. Twice on double move plays (zip and up.. and out and up) the corner bit.. then had enough speed to recover and make a play on the ball.. All of the short passes.. we get tackled by the first guy.. Short of scraping the offense (which I am NOT going to do) I just dont know what can be done.. How do you make non-athletes competitive?? To hang around in this business you have to be realistic. You have to assign blame and you have to be realistic. That can be a tough, humbling experience. If you can handle the good, though, you can handle the bad. It's a tough business for tough guys. Publicly take the blame. Then look at at it realistically and decide what happened. Put ego aside. If a guy or unit screwed up, Whose fault was it? If a kid f*cked up, did you teach it right and emphasize it enough? If not, did you have reason to? If it's you fault, do it right next time.
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Oct 20, 2007 20:41:48 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Oct 20, 2007 20:41:48 GMT -6
Very simple. One thing you can teach anybody to do? That be more physical than the other guy and yes it can be done. Sorry coach, but that is one of the more foolish ( I edited this so that you don't think somonoe is "attacking" you) statements ever made on this board. If this is the case, why didn't opposing coaches simply get their players to be more physical than Reggie White. Please enlighten us on how this is done. You have made many blanket statements such as this, and every time when pressed for a deeper explanation, you waffle. So tell us, how do you simply make your guys more physical than the other guys. And what happens if the guy you are coaching against knows "this secret" too? Then what? Now Airraider, just some constructive criticism...doors were built because people kept banging their head against a wall. If your kids aren't going to be able to make kids miss, (and you have to look at the program history to see what type of kids are there) then are you doing yourself, your kids, and the program justice by just saying "I am a spread guy, and we are going to run this come hell or high water" Just an opinion.
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Oct 20, 2007 20:45:07 GMT -6
Post by airraider on Oct 20, 2007 20:45:07 GMT -6
Very simple. One thing you can teach anybody to do? That be more physical than the other guy and yes it can be done. I really dont agree with that. You cant teach just anyone to be more physical than the other guy. We are VERY passive as a team. We have worked these kids so hard this year and I felt at the start after the 5 hour practices that these kids would bust their butts to do what has to be done.. but that just hasnt been the case.. They really laid down last night.. and it really killed me.. I have been saying all year that I dont mind losing with this group of kids.. because even thought they are simply out manned.. they still play hard.. but last night.. they just sucked it up.. Sad part.. this was only the second team on the schedule that we had a chance against..
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Oct 20, 2007 20:53:50 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Oct 20, 2007 20:53:50 GMT -6
And coach genius, what if the OTHER coach is also teaching the same thing? Then what?
You have never answered that. Ever, in any post. You have NEVER said what the great counter move is if the OTHER coach is "simply teaching is kids to be physical"
This advice is about as useless as the Daddy Ball coaches in pee wee ball yelling "HIT SOMEBODY".
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Oct 20, 2007 21:08:47 GMT -6
Post by Yash on Oct 20, 2007 21:08:47 GMT -6
Coach jerk, obviously you are a very confident person, but have you ever had a down year or just been out played a few games in a row? What do you do then. I agree with you that if you can instill physicality into players they are going to be competitive regaurdless of overall talent. But that doesn't gaurentee wins. Sometimes talent flat out beats your physical nature. What do you do then? You can be physical, but you do need some talent. No matter how many guys you punch in the face, if 5.5 speed jimmy at corner can't keep up with 4.6 speed jonny at WR its gonna be a long night.
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Oct 20, 2007 21:19:04 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Oct 20, 2007 21:19:04 GMT -6
Coachjerk---
SOMEONE has to lose. That is the problem with the statements that you make. It is just like when you see two teams on their knees praying before a game winning FG. Do these [layers feel THEIR prayers will be answered, but the other teams won't?
So saying something like "It's simple, just make them more physical than the other guy" is foolish.
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Oct 20, 2007 21:22:57 GMT -6
Post by ajreaper on Oct 20, 2007 21:22:57 GMT -6
I have post this over and over..... sorry not reposting. It has absolutely nothing to do with talent. How can anything that's physical and competitive have absolutely NOTHING to do with talent? Unmotivated talent may get beat by motivated less talented individials but if both groups are motivated talent going to win 99% of the time- common sense.
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Oct 20, 2007 22:24:18 GMT -6
Post by cc on Oct 20, 2007 22:24:18 GMT -6
cj...how do you make your kids more physical???
ie our backs just dont run people over blocking or with the ball. how do we teach that explosiveness??? our kids seem more finesse...we just dont have a bruiser in the backfield...do you have drills that would help??? what is your teaching that makes your kids more manly???
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Oct 20, 2007 23:10:36 GMT -6
Post by midlineqb on Oct 20, 2007 23:10:36 GMT -6
It's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmies and Joes. It all comes down to talent. If you have less talent than your opponents you must try to get your team to play up to their abilities and try to stay in each and every game. It is a positive attitude thing.
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Oct 21, 2007 0:39:24 GMT -6
Post by FlexboneOne on Oct 21, 2007 0:39:24 GMT -6
Coaches;
I dont mean to get in the middle of the pilow fight, but I had an old coach that said something to me that probably fits this situation.... [glow=red,2,300]"You can put them in the right places to succeed, but you can't play the game for them"[/glow]
It's really that simple. Unfortunately, some coaches feel that they have more of an impact on the game than the players do. Avoid that trap.
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Oct 21, 2007 7:14:09 GMT -6
Post by airraider on Oct 21, 2007 7:14:09 GMT -6
I agree somewhat with what the jerk is saying.. haha..
If we could be more physical, it would help our cause, but wouldnt solve our problem.
As far as changing up our game plan and going to something other than the spread.. I just do not believe that 8 weeks intot he season is a good time for that.. I feel it sends the wrong message to the kids.. especially when come week 10 we have a chance to actually win with that system..
Now, Coachd... you know much better than anyone else on here what we have coming up this week.. we play Haynesville..
I am going to run some plays from the I and probably take 20 or so seconds to snap the ball.. This is a very weak Haynesville team this year.. but even a weak Haynesville team is MUCH better than we are.
We actually played them in JV a few weeks ago pretty well.. We were down 12-22 with less than a minute left.. turned the ball over and they ended up getting a quick score to make it 30-12.. But I was pleased..
We ran Quads Diamond all night that night.. throwing the screen if they didnt have 4 out there.. and even some bunch passing principles.. we would also run some slants, zips, outs, and some double moves with our backside guy.. and ran a good bit of draws.. broke off about a 40 yard run when they sent both backers in 0 inside and we ran a slant and the QB called an outside draw..
so we are just gonna try to survive this week.. and try to finish the season with the first win in 3 years against a team that is not very good..
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Oct 21, 2007 8:23:15 GMT -6
Post by ajreaper on Oct 21, 2007 8:23:15 GMT -6
You must stay with what you know and believe in. If you change now a fair question would be- why as the coach did you wait so long to come to this realization? Are you that poor at judging talent and ability it took 3/4 of the season to decide what you've been doing did not suit your players?
Stay the course and reevaluate everything in the post season.
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Oct 21, 2007 8:52:00 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 8:52:00 GMT -6
I'm not too sure I agree with your assessment of the Nebraska teams, jerk, (I thought they were pretty darn talented) but agree with your overall thoughts. Lack of physicality is one of our major weaknesses, so my question is how do you teach it? You said above you thought it could, but haven't really explained how. I'm sure physical practices, but what drills and such exactly? We had 36 players this past season, but only 12 were varsity aged (junior/senior)--how do you balance physical practice with not getting beat up?
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Oct 21, 2007 9:10:24 GMT -6
Post by airraider on Oct 21, 2007 9:10:24 GMT -6
If talent decided who won every game USC and LSU should be #1 and #2 and undefeated. The New england patriots were not close to being the most talented in the league when they won 3 superbowls. their is reason Kentucky is winning. their is a reason fla won the national championship. Nebraska won back to back nat. champ. on physicality alone. Cause in neither were they the most talented team and I mean it wasnt even close. You can play the spread, but if your kids cant play in space and the oppt has more athletes than you especially up front? and you dont have the advantage of being more physical? Your going to lose and lose everytime. But, these top tier (SEC type schools) are all talented. Sure some players for certain teams are better (Mcfadden).. but overall the talent level falls within the same range.. Now lets say LSU plays North Texas or Ball State.. they could swap staffs and still LSU would win those games.. The overall talent level of those teams are TOO great to change the outcome..
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Oct 21, 2007 10:25:18 GMT -6
Post by airraider on Oct 21, 2007 10:25:18 GMT -6
Again you are talking about a drop off in talent that is enormous. and you are being unrealistic. And you are talking about college ball. which is a whole nother ball game. I believe LSU is a physical a team as I have seen on the offensive side since thos osborne nebraska teams. A more realistic analysis would switching coaching staffs of LSU and ARK. I do believe MILE would instill a physicality with ark that is lacking. And LSU would lose that physicality edge. But, at the same time.. you are comparing apples to oranges.. At the high school level you do not always have the ability to play teams that you are physically matched with.. The talent drop off from LSU to a North Texas is just as great as the talent level we have faced at times this year.. Just as in an LSU/North Texas game.. no matter how much more physical we become, we still could not overcome our lack of overall talent.
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Oct 21, 2007 10:43:55 GMT -6
Post by saintrad on Oct 21, 2007 10:43:55 GMT -6
airraider-
what is the history of this program? are they a team that is just going through a down cycle or have they always been a bottom feeder type team?
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Oct 21, 2007 10:59:40 GMT -6
Post by coachdawhip on Oct 21, 2007 10:59:40 GMT -6
"You can put them in the right places to succeed, but you can't play the game for them"
Truer words never spoken, airraider, I'm just like you 0-8, the team can't finish the drill no matter what we have been in the red zone 15 times in last 4 games and have 3 TD's. The QB fumbled the ball 3 times including a fumble on their 21 after a 6:29 minute drive, WR's dropping the ball when their open for 5, 10 and 30 yards.
Also my team is not "hard", I mean in a physical type of way and that has nothing to do with this coaching staff. We play thug type of teams, the team we played on Friday had my boys scared.
The only news I keep telling myself is I have 8 underclassmen, including 4 freshmen starting.
I too airradier have to answer that question can I stay in the run and be a 65-35 run or pass team or do I need to change?
Our running game was a 2.9 average until I started to throw it 25 times a game then it went up over the past 4 games to 4.6, but teams just blitz like crazy now, because we can't consistently and catch the pass and a lot of that is MY Fault, because of I need to get better at the fundamentals, but I their is only 2 offensive coaches. Just trying to win one game and get ready for next year.
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Oct 21, 2007 11:00:26 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Oct 21, 2007 11:00:26 GMT -6
Overall talent has a lot to do with talent. What? Sounds like someone is typing faster than they are thinking here. Bottom line, it is a good idea to stress physicality, and will help your team win games, but if your "solution" is to just "make our guys more physical than the other guys" then I would like to get you on the schedule. As far as NU winning just because they were physical, again yet another foolish statement. Playing with pad level, is talent. Being able to maintain a drive block because your base is balanced, is talent. Executing a combo block well (coming off at the right time) is talent.
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Oct 21, 2007 11:03:35 GMT -6
Post by Yash on Oct 21, 2007 11:03:35 GMT -6
You can't go full speed 3 times a week and expect to be in top condition on Friday nights. Sure make friday nights the easiest night of the weeks sounds like a good idea, but when your guys have no legs because you pounded them all week, it doesn't always add up to wins. Now you bring in USC and LSU, I guarantee that those schools don't go full contact 3 days out of the week. I coach at a Division 3 school and while we go out at it tuesday and wednesday, we never take to ground and its never completely full go on RBs or WRs.
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Oct 21, 2007 11:27:07 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Oct 21, 2007 11:27:07 GMT -6
It is a different game at the college level. At the high school level. If you dont go 3days a week? you are going end up soft. We only bang twice a week and we're definitely not soft.
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Oct 21, 2007 11:36:55 GMT -6
Post by airraider on Oct 21, 2007 11:36:55 GMT -6
airraider- what is the history of this program? are they a team that is just going through a down cycle or have they always been a bottom feeder type team? Pretty bad over the last 10 years.. have only been to the playoffs twice.. something around 27 wins in the last 10 years.. Here is the recap for the past 10 years. Sarepta at-a-glance over the past 10 seasons: Year Record Points For Points Against 2006: 0-10 32 420 2005: 0-10 27 200 2004: 3-7 129 279 2003: 2-8 110 241 2002: 5-5 160 175 2001: 1-7 38 221 2000: 4-6 161 240 1999: 6-4* 198 204 1998: 3-7 106 240 1997: 5-6* 188 228 * "” playoffs So havent scored over 200 points in a season in the last 10 years..
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Oct 21, 2007 11:59:59 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Oct 21, 2007 11:59:59 GMT -6
Airraider---I wish you the best of luck in that situation---but I still think you are doing yourself a disservice if you don't really take a GOOD HARD LOOK at your offensive philosophy for next year. Will you guys ever be able to compete with the Golden Tornadoes---probably not, but doing something other than the spread might help you against the Ringgolds of the world.
Sounds like this past week, they just don't believe in themselves...and the spread puts each one of them on an island.
I am by no means a DBL wing guy..but it does sound like a good option---
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Oct 21, 2007 12:43:53 GMT -6
Post by airraider on Oct 21, 2007 12:43:53 GMT -6
Airraider---I wish you the best of luck in that situation---but I still think you are doing yourself a disservice if you don't really take a GOOD HARD LOOK at your offensive philosophy for next year. Will you guys ever be able to compete with the Golden Tornadoes---probably not, but doing something other than the spread might help you against the Ringgolds of the world. Sounds like this past week, they just don't believe in themselves...and the spread puts each one of them on an island. I am by no means a DBL wing guy..but it does sound like a good option--- Well, just between you and I, and the rest of the board.. this will be my last season at this school. That is unless job searching goes very bad.. I have been contacted by boosters at my old school and the one that I was at this past spring asking if I would be interested in putting my name in for the head coaching job after this season. If neither of those work out.. I will just have to find another OC job.. or take up a position coach job somewhere else.. not only is the lack of athletes really killing me.. but I feel that the difference in philosophies of the HC and myself is really putting a strain on our friendship.. which is what lured me here in the first place..
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Oct 21, 2007 14:06:37 GMT -6
Post by fbdoc on Oct 21, 2007 14:06:37 GMT -6
To bazooka and airraider - I'm in a similar situation, maybe not as severe as you descibe but I feel for ya. Remember, you're just one game away from feeling better. 3 Weeks ago I was feeling the same as you, and then we had a great EFFORT against one of the top teams in the state. We got beat on the scoreboard, but our young, undersized guys played their hearts out against a team of recruited, scholarshipped, all-stars. Last week our guys had another great effort as we defeated our rival 24-12 and suddenly we are all on top of the world!
Keep coaching them up, stick with the spread (if you really feel it's the best FIT for your kids) but also be objective in your assessment of scheme and performance. Don't go to hitting 3 days a week or endless Oklahoma drills - DO work on fundamentals and motivation. As my old coach used to say, "Half the teams in America lost tonight" so you're in good company. Hang in there.
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Oct 21, 2007 14:46:24 GMT -6
Post by spencerxi on Oct 21, 2007 14:46:24 GMT -6
It is a different game at the college level. At the high school level. If you dont go 3days a week? you are going end up soft. I know its DIII, but John Gagliardi never bangs and they seem to do aright up there at St Johns. I think there is a lot more to it that just hitting a bunch. Its a lot to do with how these kids are programed. Losing tend to make you soft when its every year. A staff can only do so much in one season. There's more than one way to skin a cat, I just wish I knew them all
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Oct 21, 2007 17:39:38 GMT -6
Post by spencerxi on Oct 21, 2007 17:39:38 GMT -6
I guess my point was that they barely hit at all! No tackling!
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Oct 21, 2007 18:07:14 GMT -6
Post by coachcalande on Oct 21, 2007 18:07:14 GMT -6
why leave if the program has been down? the challenge and journey to making a contender would be a blast, and what a great story youd have to tell us "spread haters"...you could say "see, told ya so, saved the program" etc. best of luck either way.
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