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Post by wildcat on Jan 1, 2007 8:49:46 GMT -6
I don't get it...can someone explain NFL contracts to me? Saban signs a 5-year contract to coach the Dolphins yet he can resign from Miami and take the job at 'Bama? How the heck does that work? What is the purpose of signing a guy to a contract if he can leave before the contract is up? sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2716394
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 1, 2007 10:14:28 GMT -6
A contract doesn't mean they can shoot you if you quit/breach. They usually specify breach terms, which often involves forgoing money or giving some back--usually not a concern when you take a new job or even 'Bama would pay for it. When a school or NFL team fires a coach--thus breaching the contract--they usually owe some kind of guaranteed money or severance. I saw during the East Carolina bowl game they mentioned how East Carolina was paying for 3 different coaches' contracts.
One feature of our law is that you cannot compel a person to perform their services contract, of which a contract to coach is, because the law calls this "involuntary servitude"--which smells too much like slavery for a court to enforce it. So since Miami cant sue Nick Saban to compel him to coach the Dolphins, then it just becomes an issue of money.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jan 1, 2007 10:41:20 GMT -6
If Saban is smart he tells Bama heck no, I still believe he can win in Miami, but if he decideds to come back to college not to Bama
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Post by wildcat on Jan 1, 2007 11:19:27 GMT -6
It's all about the Benjamins!
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Post by brophy on Jan 1, 2007 20:41:03 GMT -6
this brings up a few questions, IMO
1) All I hear from the media is that Saban has some insatiable urge to work in the College game, because he loves it too much...
2) Everyone I talk to down here in Louisiana swear that Saban ABHORS the college game because of recruiting.
Now, what makes Saban worth $5M a season? I'm not saying he isn't worth it, I like the guy, but how do you quantify those numbers? Based on what?
Lastly, if MONEY WASN'T AN ISSUE..........What would be your Ideal Job? What would be your ultimate dream gig?
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Post by blackfly73 on Jan 1, 2007 20:48:26 GMT -6
Rodriguez turned down 'Bama... and 'Bama would be a plum job.
And if Saban turns down Alabama... where do they go next?
Perhaps firing coaches in quick succession... because they don't win a national title... make even a GREAT program not so marketable to major coaches?
I wonder... in todays climate how long Schembechler would have lasted at UM with his Bowl record - it took the guy 12 years to win his first Bowl Game.
1969 Rose Bowl — lost to Southern Cal, 10-3. 1971 Rose bowl — lost to Stanford, 13-13 1975 Orange Bowl — lost to Oklahoma 14-6. 1976 Rose Bowl — lost Southern Cal, 14-6. 1977 Rose Bowl — lost to Washington,27-20. 1978 Rose Bowl — lost to Southern Cal, 17-10. 1979 Gator Bowl — lost to North Carolina, 17-15 1980 Rose Bowl — beat Washington, 23-6 Bowl Record — 5-12-0
Coming back today after the UM game, listening to Detroit area sports radio... the Fire Carr stuff starting up.
Perhaps sometimes the bar does get set a little TOO high - or a little too soon?
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Post by brophy on Jan 1, 2007 20:49:13 GMT -6
I hear that if Saban declines, they are purusing Petrino from Louisville who is in Miami for the bowl game.
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Post by saintrad on Jan 2, 2007 0:13:42 GMT -6
think Bama should go after the Tennesse OC (Cutliff (SP))
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 2, 2007 0:24:54 GMT -6
think Bama should go after the Tennesse OC (Cutliff (SP)) Don't think that's a possibility. Cut may have gone to Bama, but the Tennessee ties are way too strong for him to ever be accepted there.
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Post by saintrad on Jan 2, 2007 0:30:18 GMT -6
i think they are going to have a hard time finding and established HC to take over since the pressure to win immediately is so strong at 'Bama due to their tradition. Most established HCs would rather build up thier own program than save someone else's mess.
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Post by coachpodach on Jan 3, 2007 12:44:43 GMT -6
Love him or hate him, it's official he's Bama bound.
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Post by wildcat on Jan 3, 2007 13:39:56 GMT -6
What makes the good people at 'Bama think that he won't do to them what he has done so many other times in his career?
Saban is a mercenary...no loyalty at all to anyone. He fell on his face in the NFL, but I will guarantee that if he has a couple of decent seasons at 'Bama and he gets another shot at the NFL, he will do to the Tide what he did to the Dolphins.
I think the only coach I despise more than Nick Saban is Dennis Erickson. Those two guys really deserve each other.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 3, 2007 14:03:52 GMT -6
I posted this earlier in another thread (regarding erickson leaving). It is an article from Sports Illustrated online. Whether right or wrong, it offers a good perspective .... Money talks, coaches walk But don't blame them for seeking a better dealI don't feel at all bad for Idaho Athletic Director Rob Spear, and neither should anyone. Did he honestly believe Dennis Erickson was going to stick around and fulfill his contract? Did the players? Did the fans? Arizona State will be Erickson's ninth head-coaching job in 21 years. His leaving Idaho, which he led to a 4-8 mark this year (not overly impressive until you remember that's the most games the Vandals have won since going 5-6 in 2000), should shock no one. Thing is, this really isn't even just about Erickson. It's about college football. It's about coaches who are bigger than schools. It's about players who either foolishly believe their coaches care or simply can't face reality. No one can rationally get mad at Erickson or any other coach who leaves abruptly for a better job offer. That's how the system works. West Virginia coach Rich Rodriguez just leveraged Alabama's six-year, $12 million offer into the Mountaineers' nearly doubling his 2006 salary of close to $1.1 million. Look around your office -- or wherever it is you work -- and imagine that a better and significantly more nationally recognized company just called you and offered two or three times your current salary and a lush benefits package. Not only that, you know that if you do well in this new job you could soon land an even sweeter gig. More money. More prestige. Who wouldn't do that? It's not like football coaches are the only positions in America with huge, six- and seven-figure buyouts. Look at how corporations are run. This isn't a new concept. And on the flip side of it, coaches can be fired on a whim, unceremoniously dumped after boosters get tired of them, or if a new A.D. wants to bring in a new coach, or if they have a bad couple of seasons, or for a litany of other reasons. Why shouldn't these guys earn as much money as they can while they still can? Why shouldn't they move to bigger schools that have shots at conference and possibly national titles? Don't hate the coach. Hate the game. complete story by Justin Doom of Sports Illustrated
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Post by fbdoc on Jan 3, 2007 15:44:05 GMT -6
I have no problem with a coach taking a "better" job. My issue involves something called integrity. Saban was asked on numerous occasions about the Alabama job. Initially he really didn't say one way or another but finally told the press he wasn't interested. Then he goes and talks with the Bama AD behind his owner's back.
More denials come out as the rumors about his interest continue. Next he says, "No I'm not interested, I'm the coach of the Miami Dolphins." Finally .... he's listening to Alabama's offer - and then he accepts.
This isn't about taking care of his family or anything like that! He could have told Alabama "NO" and kept his word to everyone, but he obviously left the door open for them to keep coming back. This reminds me so much of when Butch Davis promised his Miami Hurricane team that he wasn't going anywhere and then up and leaves for Cleveland.
Would I leave my present job for a "better" offer? If it was the best one for me and my family - YOU BET! But if I made repeated denials that I was interested in that job, and then ended up leaving when my demands were finally met - I'd be the same snake with zero integrity and credibility that Saban has now become.
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Post by djwesp on Jan 3, 2007 15:57:38 GMT -6
sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2718798 "Liar" is in. They're not going to tell the truth to us, but we can tell the truth about them. It's this: They'll say anything to get recruits on campus, and they'll say anything to get media members off their backs when angling for a different job. And the panting attempts by school administrators, fans, other coaches and many media members to portray them as men of superior moral fiber needs to stop. They're coaches, that's all. That makes them part of a pack of lying liars who only lie when their lips are moving -- and Saban's lips have moved most recently. The Miami Dolphins coach denied being interested in or a candidate for the job at Alabama so many times we all lost count. But we weren't naïve enough to believe him -- and Wednesday proved why. He's fundamentally unbelievable. So it's time to rename the American Football Coaches Association the Liar's Club. I understand that I'm tarring a lot of good men -- and even a few honest ones -- with a broad brush, but that's Saban's gift to his profession. Of course, he's simply following a proud tradition of dissembling coaches. Butch Davis wasn't leaving the Miami Hurricanes for the Cleveland Browns -- until he did. Tommy Tuberville told Mississippi fans the only way he'd leave the school was "in a pine box" -- before leaving for Auburn days later. Louisville's Bobby Petrino denied a meeting with Auburn that had indeed taken place. The next year he signed a contract extension and said, "This is the place I want to be." He interviewed with LSU within a week of that statement. Dennis Franchione convinced his players to stay at Alabama after enduring NCAA sanctions -- then fled himself for Texas A&M after two years on the job. Saban is the latest and perhaps greatest example, if only because he took such umbrage at being asked about the Alabama job that he wasn't interested in (until he was). It required an impressive reservoir of gall to refute angrily questions designed to learn the truth, as if they were unfair attacks on the coach's piety. Last week Saban said, "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach." This week, when the topic didn't go away -- because, clearly, it shouldn't have -- he got snippy. "I'm not talking about any of that stuff," he said. "And I'd appreciate the courtesy of it not being asked." If you could put a subtitle on that it would read: "My gosh, people, I'm trying to avoid the subject. How dare you not play along with me? Just because I've been lying my eyeballs out, I won't let you paint me into a corner. So it's time to make you all look like jerks for badgering me. Bad manners, all of you!" The thing is, we've seen it so often that we've become almost immune to this bizarre mating dance of obfuscation and denial. Colleges won't say which coaches they're after, and coaches won't admit to being interested. Universities like using the Latin word "veritas" in mottos and such, but they aren't wedded to the word when it comes to pursuing athletic coaches. Obviously, telling the truth potentially can create some sticky situations. But this would be my suggested sample comment for a coach being sought for a job other than the one he now has: "Although I love the position I currently hold, I am a candidate for job X. I will not discuss it further until there is something tangible, be it an interview or an offer, to discuss. Goodbye." It beats rampant, jaded dishonesty. Especially from college coaches who love to talk about all the valuable life lessons they're imparting to America's impressionable young rush ends, blindside tackles and cover corners. The real job description at most places isn't terribly heavy on life lessons. It goes roughly like this: Must win, must win some more, must beat archrival, must recruit like a maniac, must put fannies in seats. The secondary clause: Must not get caught committing NCAA violations, must try to avoid a complete and obvious subversion of the university's academic principles. Winning games is why Alabama wanted Nick Saban, and winning games is why Nick Saban wanted to go back to college coaching. That's as far as the "great fit" goes. You'll probably hear a lot about how Saban loves college towns and college life and coaching young guys, but this is why he wanted to go back to campus: His record at LSU was 48-16, and his record at Miami was 15-17. Don't look a single step beyond that. Because if you do, you'll see Alabama's contribution to the higher education mission: a reported $32 million contract for a football coach who spent the last month-plus lying like a rug about having any interest in coming to their school. Yet they won't be able to introduce Nick Saban in Tuscaloosa simply as the best winner money can buy. The hyperbole will go far beyond that, until he is inevitably hailed as a "man of great character." I'll simply hail him as the richest member of the Liar's Club sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2718798
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Post by wildcat on Jan 3, 2007 17:07:46 GMT -6
Hoo-ah!
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Post by phantom on Jan 3, 2007 17:18:05 GMT -6
I wonder if ESPN was that columnist's first job.
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Post by djwesp on Jan 3, 2007 17:24:17 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Jan 3, 2007 17:39:38 GMT -6
1) What did Saban do, honestly, to piss so many reporters off?
2) What determines his market value? (not saying Nick isn't worth it...but what's to say another coach isn't worth that much)
3) What would be the advantages of the College / Pro
4) Is it better to be at the mercy of an AD, Boosters, Parents, Fans, Sports Writers, or a General Manager? Pick your poison
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Post by djwesp on Jan 3, 2007 18:02:46 GMT -6
1) What did Saban do, honestly, to {censored} so many reporters off? 2) What determines his market value? (not saying Nick isn't worth it...but what's to say another coach isn't worth that much) 3) What would be the advantages of the College / Pro 4) Is it better to be at the mercy of an AD, Boosters, Parents, Fans, Sports Writers, or a General Manager? Pick your poison 2. I think they should have given you a shot Brophy. You are defensive minded and don't cut people any bull. Bama would look good running the Brophy "Magic" 42.
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Post by brophy on Jan 4, 2007 10:41:09 GMT -6
1) What did Saban do, honestly, to {censored} so many reporters off? 2) What determines his market value? (not saying Nick isn't worth it...but what's to say another coach isn't worth that much) 3) What would be the advantages of the College / Pro 4) Is it better to be at the mercy of an AD, Boosters, Parents, Fans, Sports Writers, or a General Manager? Pick your poison 2. I think they should have given you a shot Brophy. You are defensive minded and don't cut people any bull. Bama would look good running the Brophy "Magic" 42. Bama offered me $2.50 - I told them that was too much.
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Post by knighter on Jan 4, 2007 13:03:29 GMT -6
I offered Bama 2.50, and they said they needed more unless I scrapped the DW in which case 2.50 was okay ;D.
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