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Post by John Knight on Aug 11, 2013 11:02:16 GMT -6
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 11, 2013 11:20:05 GMT -6
We're allowed to in Northern California. But, we hardly use it the same way it was used when I was still playing. The first session is a mental session with workouts and alignment/assignment. The second session is contact and repetition.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 11, 2013 11:45:45 GMT -6
We in Illinois aren't allowed to have any version of two a days really. For the first five or six days, you're only allowed 3 hours of practice a day. Not three hours total like you could split it up 1 1/2 and come back later that day and do the rest. No, once you start stretching you are to conclude all practice 3 hours later. Then, if you choose, you can have an hour of "walk through" after a two hour rest where you must ensure that your players are in a "cool and dark environment". Biggest bunch of bull {censored} I've ever heard of in my life.
Next on the agenda next summer is eliminating all hitting during the summer.
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 11, 2013 11:52:25 GMT -6
We don't even do then anymore
We have been practicing 5 days a week since school got out Multiple passing tourneys 3 day live team camp vs 7 other schools
We don't need double days, double days are essentially a cram session the night before the final
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Post by blb on Aug 11, 2013 12:30:34 GMT -6
We still have Two-a-Days in Michigan but change is coming (2014 I'm sure), probably following NCAA model and limiting "collision" practices. Right now our team has eight Two-a-days, first three in helmets and shorts. First Saturday in Intra-squad (one practice), second Thursday is outside scrimmage. Everything after that we do one a day. If you practice 2:30 (which should be maximum) kids need minimum three hours recovery time between.
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Post by fantom on Aug 11, 2013 13:02:31 GMT -6
We're only allowed to have 2 practices on 2 consecutive days. On the third day we're only allowed one practice. It wasn't a problem. I don't know what the rules say about rest between practices but I know that we're well within parameters. We go 8-10:30 AM and 5-7:30 PM. Our kids go home between practices.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 11, 2013 13:43:38 GMT -6
We still do 'em. IN fact getting ready to leave for camp, we go to a local camp ground till Thrs night with the whole team, where we will do doubles till Thursday. We go 8-10:30 and 5-7 for them so there is a ton of time off between sessions. After this week we will only go one a day (still in our 2 week pre-season time) due to teachers on staff starting back that week. I think they still serve a purpose for us with a small team and everyone going 2-3 ways we get a lot done with doubles. I should add we have been working out 3 nights a week in July with shells on so we are pretty far ahead mentally but have had no live contact till now.
I don't think doubles are a cram session necessarily just for the reason above, we need to get some contact in now and get guys use to offense and defense positions. Now if we platooned I would think doubles would be a bit much. But we still rely on them as a huge part of our getting ready for the season.
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Post by newhope on Aug 11, 2013 15:04:03 GMT -6
We will only do two of them. We could, by rule in NC, have done a few more. We can not do them on consecutive days and one of the two has to be in shorts.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 11, 2013 15:16:35 GMT -6
It's interesting. I think with hydration/climitazation being such an issue . I can see 2-a-days going away.
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Post by planck on Aug 11, 2013 15:24:06 GMT -6
Still legal in WI, though with helmets and shorts for the most part. IA has no 2adays, and limits practice to 3 hrs. I don't care about the conditioning part of 2adays, I want the time to do install and rep the hell out of everything.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 11, 2013 15:47:10 GMT -6
Still legal in WI, though with helmets and shorts for the most part. IA has no 2adays, and limits practice to 3 hrs. I don't care about the conditioning part of 2adays, I want the time to do install and rep the hell out of everything. When I was in highschool 2-a-days were structured like this. Offense - 8 AM - 10 AM Break for the mid day Defense 5 PM - 7 PM
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Post by planck on Aug 11, 2013 16:02:45 GMT -6
We did 7:30 to noon, half hour break. Our coaches, who were objectively bad at their jobs, always preached about conditioning and how we would win the 4th quarter. Unfortunately for us, the other team usually won the other 3 quarters because they were taught actual football {censored} instead of bravado.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 11, 2013 16:04:50 GMT -6
We did 7:30 to noon, half hour break. Our coaches, who were objectively bad at their jobs, always preached about conditioning and how we would win the 4th quarter. Unfortunately for us, the other team usually won the other 3 quarters because they were taught actual football {censored} instead of bravado. Haha sounds like some of the guys I know coaching... Were going to win the 4th! ..but coach... We don't know how to tackle...
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Post by fantom on Aug 11, 2013 16:14:02 GMT -6
We did 7:30 to noon, half hour break. Our coaches, who were objectively bad at their jobs, always preached about conditioning and how we would win the 4th quarter. Unfortunately for us, the other team usually won the other 3 quarters because they were taught actual football {censored} instead of bravado. Just hearing about that makes me tired.
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Post by coach2013 on Aug 11, 2013 16:30:22 GMT -6
we have 3 double sessions, each has to be split 4 hours apart I think and you cant do double sessions two days in a row. (why we do three) lifting time counts as practice too.
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 11, 2013 17:23:13 GMT -6
What will this do for the game? Less time to teach fundamentals. Definitely favors two platoon big schools because they can use the time better. What about rural schools that bus kids to practice? What about farm kids who simply won't come out if they have to come back three hours later?
I'm for safety but are the powers that be taking those things into account?
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Post by indian1 on Aug 11, 2013 18:56:00 GMT -6
Ground chuck great points
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Post by centralilcoach on Aug 11, 2013 19:17:39 GMT -6
Larrymoe -- Just took a look at policy 13 Q and A section. You can have a 2 practices split apart any way you like as long as there are 2 hours between each. I found it at the very bottom on the Q and A.
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Post by bgj on Aug 11, 2013 21:03:24 GMT -6
We in Illinois aren't allowed to have any version of two a days really. For the first five or six days, you're only allowed 3 hours of practice a day. Not three hours total like you could split it up 1 1/2 and come back later that day and do the rest. No, once you start stretching you are to conclude all practice 3 hours later. Then, if you choose, you can have an hour of "walk through" after a two hour rest where you must ensure that your players are in a "cool and dark environment". Biggest bunch of bull {censored} I've ever heard of in my life. Next on the agenda next summer is eliminating all hitting during the summer. Its in the details...we get a 4 days of "2 a days" Its defined now as a "3 hour practice day" or a "5 hour practice day" www.ihsa.org/documents/policy13/Football%20Policy%2013%20Final.pdfBut, it doesn't matter for us, because we start school Tuesday, so we can have Final exams before Christmas break. Have been doing that for about 5 or 6 years.
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Post by gccwolverine on Aug 11, 2013 22:44:03 GMT -6
We in Illinois aren't allowed to have any version of two a days really. For the first five or six days, you're only allowed 3 hours of practice a day. Not three hours total like you could split it up 1 1/2 and come back later that day and do the rest. No, once you start stretching you are to conclude all practice 3 hours later. Then, if you choose, you can have an hour of "walk through" after a two hour rest where you must ensure that your players are in a "cool and dark environment". Biggest bunch of bull {censored} I've ever heard of in my life. Next on the agenda next summer is eliminating all hitting during the summer. Football is dead
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 5:32:27 GMT -6
We in Illinois aren't allowed to have any version of two a days really. For the first five or six days, you're only allowed 3 hours of practice a day. Not three hours total like you could split it up 1 1/2 and come back later that day and do the rest. No, once you start stretching you are to conclude all practice 3 hours later. Then, if you choose, you can have an hour of "walk through" after a two hour rest where you must ensure that your players are in a "cool and dark environment". Biggest bunch of bull {censored} I've ever heard of in my life. Next on the agenda next summer is eliminating all hitting during the summer. Football is dead they are going to all but make it illegal to play...OR change the game so much that it wont be recognizable.....And you can thank Mr. Goodell.
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Post by brophy on Aug 12, 2013 6:19:09 GMT -6
what is the business case FOR 2-a-days? What is the argument that it can't all be done in one practice in the morning?
If it is to get kids in shape, your off-season program must really suck
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 6:35:05 GMT -6
what is the business case FOR 2-a-days? What is the argument that it can't all be done in one practice in the morning? If it is to get kids in shape, your off-season program must really suck if you turn it into a business argument, would you rather those kids be allowed to play on street corner, playing video games or what have you? We are headed toward a day where OFF season will mean NO FOOTBALL RELATED ACTIVITIES whatsoever. Weight training or otherwise. The NCAA is headed down that road. And if they are, the HS will be quick to follow In 45 states. and the other 5 will find a way to scale it back even more. If you say what cant be in 3 hrs in the morning? So why not just start practice the the week before the game. Which is also coming. Cause you wont need the 3 weeks of training. or installation.
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Post by CoachCP on Aug 12, 2013 7:16:57 GMT -6
It would be one thing if you were allowed to practice all summer (like in some states), then you would not need this "cram" session of two-a-days. But many states only get a camp period during the summer and about 2 weeks in August to get ready for game #1.
To be honest, I think 2-a-days are inefficient. But I'd rather see a 3 and a 1/2 hour practice with a 10-15 min break in the middle so everyone can hit the reset button, including coaches.
This makes it flexible for coaches who are outside the building, it makes it flexible for players who might have jobs, and it's not something everyone hates.
Also, you could start practice at 6:30 and end by 10. Everyone has their entire day still, and you've avoided the hottest part of the day.
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Post by gators1422 on Aug 12, 2013 8:23:04 GMT -6
We can no longer do 2 a days in fla. Now it's one 3.5 hour practice, not sure how that's safer but whatever. Before we would go to camp and our schedule was like this. 6:15- 7 conditioning (120's) 7-8:30 breakfast 8:30-10 offense 10-12 break 12-1 lunch 1-1:45 chalk talk 1:45-:2:30 walk thru for special teams 2:30-5 break 5-6:30 defense 6:30-8:30 dinner and shower/swim 8:45-10:30 team building
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Post by brophy on Aug 12, 2013 8:28:37 GMT -6
if you turn it into a business argument... business case = justification. Justify why it can't be done in one session in the morning. In the last 15 years, I've only been with 1 program that did 2-a-days. Those extra sessions didn't accomplish much for us at that program. The others all did 3-4 hours sessions in the morning. Get them in, cut the BS, and get them out. We never needed the entire playbook for the jamboree or the first game. I agree the limited sessions is rough, but 2-a-days as a practice, just isn't what it used to be and in today's game I would argue is completely pointless. We work the kids in periodization training 9 months of the year. Do spring ball, do summer 7on7s, do monthly strongman competitions....if kids are out of shape in August, we dun screwed up. Most of the kids I've been around have to work in the summer to support their family. Limiting their availability to their employer can be a real pain because we're setting up more and more obstacles why they can't be at practice.
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Post by orion320 on Aug 12, 2013 8:34:53 GMT -6
We in Illinois aren't allowed to have any version of two a days really. For the first five or six days, you're only allowed 3 hours of practice a day. Not three hours total like you could split it up 1 1/2 and come back later that day and do the rest. No, once you start stretching you are to conclude all practice 3 hours later. Then, if you choose, you can have an hour of "walk through" after a two hour rest where you must ensure that your players are in a "cool and dark environment". Biggest bunch of bull {censored} I've ever heard of in my life. I agree 100%. Especially when the weather is only supposed to be in the 70's. I think the same rules should apply for Soccer, Cross Country, and Volleyball.
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Post by lions23 on Aug 12, 2013 8:38:25 GMT -6
For me I worry about all the special situations getting squeezed without the extra time. Our base O and D are in by the end of the summer. However we need looks at all the specials. 2 point plays, blitz pick up, field goal, 2 minute drill, ; minute drill, etc on offense. Blitz install, unbalanced recognitions, empty recognitions, goal line , screen drills on D. Then there are all the special teams and special situations that go along. Conditioning we are about where we need to be and we have never been a team that beats each other up in practice and we have had no problems with toughness. Almost our entire staff played college football and understands the grind and the beating your body takes. We put pants on for two days in the summer and usually about 3 days during camp.
We spend a lot of time on those details of the game. You can play Anton of 7 on but not see a blitz all summer or ever get into a true goal line look. We do lots of fundy work tackling with shields and mats. We are going to be forced to make some choices I think. We are trying to get more organized then ever before to make sure nothing slips but that is what I worry about.
We used to open with a team that was solid. They did all that bravado stuff. 9 hour days at camp. Their kids looked a million bucks in their uni's. they hit the weights in between practice but we beat them with situational training every year. We blocked punts, returned kicks, executed Two minute drills etc. They always came out with lots of gusto. Their O and D were solid but we took advantage on all the other phases.
We protect our kids with shields and mats for contact. I would rather see those sorts of regulations than limiting time so drastically. Making choices between extra situational training and extra fundy tackling is a lose lose in my opinion. Lots if the big hits occur in these situations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 8:42:45 GMT -6
in the current world we live in and the road we are going down, no kid is going to support his family. Fulltime work for adults is nearly impossible to find now. Much less for kids. labor laws for most kids under the age of 18 make it such that they can only work part time anyways. Now I agree with you on the conditioning purpose. That is bs. But in most states summer ball is is dead or close to it. I don't want my kids to have a lot of free time if any. When they do, is when we get phone calls about kids and from kids who get in trouble.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 12, 2013 8:56:24 GMT -6
if you turn it into a business argument... business case = justification. Justify why it can't be done in one session in the morning. In the last 15 years, I've only been with 1 program that did 2-a-days. Those extra sessions didn't accomplish much for us at that program. The others all did 3-4 hours sessions in the morning. Get them in, cut the BS, and get them out. We never needed the entire playbook for the jamboree or the first game. I agree the limited sessions is rough, but 2-a-days as a practice, just isn't what it used to be and in today's game I would argue is completely pointless. We work the kids in periodization training 9 months of the year. Do spring ball, do summer 7on7s, do monthly strongman competitions....if kids are out of shape in August, we dun screwed up. Most of the kids I've been around have to work in the summer to support their family. Limiting their availability to their employer can be a real pain because we're setting up more and more obstacles why they can't be at practice. coach, this is dead on, i played in a program whos legacy was in the 90s (multiple consecutive CIF championships and league championships) and when i was going to school there..they still did things the exact same way they did in there championship days. which meant 2-a-days were a BIG part of our summer/spring and the offense and defense was modeled after Osbourne's system :-). im not sure if they really helped on the physical side.....BUT they helped us gel and learn about each-other... (spend 6 hours a day, 5 days a week plus a weekend film session with your position group..and you get to know them pretty well) but there are better ways to do that as well. i know if i ever go back to the highschool coaching world, two-a-days will not be apart of my program
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