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Post by smithers on Aug 11, 2013 0:20:16 GMT -6
We have ran the off set I for years and this year the organization has decided to run the fly offense similar to what our high school runs. Just curious what your opinions are of this offense at the 5th/6th grade level?
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Post by utchuckd on Aug 11, 2013 10:06:01 GMT -6
Great offense for that age group. I ran it for a couple of years from pistol.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 11, 2013 11:11:01 GMT -6
We have ran the off set I for years and this year the organization has decided to run the fly offense similar to what our high school runs. Just curious what your opinions are of this offense at the 5th/6th grade level? I love the undercenter fly. Fly sweep Trap Counter Dive. And that's it. Very very simple |
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Post by smithers on Aug 11, 2013 14:40:53 GMT -6
That is what we are running, fly under center. If I share our playbook, would someone take a look at it and tell me what plays should be our core plays? I was thinking maybe 5 run plays and a couple pass plays. Here is the playbook. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by utchuckd on Aug 11, 2013 16:22:01 GMT -6
Looks very ambitious to me, coach. That's a lot of blocking schemes for that age group, plus running option? I'd look and see if you could use the same blocking for different backfield actions. Get down your sweep, dive, and trap first. Doing them well will take you farther than trying to do 10 different things.
And remember, sweep til they weep!
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Post by 33coach on Aug 11, 2013 16:36:14 GMT -6
Looks very ambitious to me, coach. That's a lot of blocking schemes for that age group, plus running option? I'd look and see if you could use the same blocking for different backfield actions. Get down your sweep, dive, and trap first. Doing them well will take you farther than trying to do 10 different things. And remember, sweep til they weep! I'm with you. The fly guys I know have two blocking schemes. "Gap, on, down" "all reach" Trap is just a modification of gap, on, down The fly is all about the sweep. As soon as you mix option into it... Your not running the fly... SWEEP TILL THEY WEEP!!! |
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Post by smithers on Aug 11, 2013 16:50:49 GMT -6
Thanks for the input guys. This is my 3rd year coaching, first running the fly. I will stick with the sweep, five, and trap and get good at them. What is your input on a couple of good pass plays out of the formation we will be using?
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Post by 33coach on Aug 11, 2013 17:10:30 GMT -6
Thanks for the input guys. This is my 3rd year coaching, first running the fly. I will stick with the sweep, five, and trap and get good at them. What is your input on a couple of good pass plays out of the formation we will be using? Play action off of sweep should be all you need. After that.... It's pretty endless as to what you can do |
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Post by bobgoodman on Aug 11, 2013 20:15:21 GMT -6
That is what we are running, fly under center. Then unless you want to run it in both directions, I recommend doing it the way it was done 40 yrs. ago at Youngstown State College, i.e. with the QB facing where the fly is coming from and sitting behind the opposite A gap. You can snap the ball very late that way because the QB barely has to move the ball from under the C's butt for the fly to take or fake at, and the way is clear to snap the ball to other backs if you want to, plus your QB has a head start in his footwork for many plays because he's already cocked 90 degrees. Your QB sees the fly coming at him all the way in, so timing should be easier to learn. Wow, I see you're even doing it with split backs the way I prefer! Here's a representative play from a series:  Your formation would be flipped left-right from this and the ends split. Anyway, the series consists of: fly end run dive belly (shown above) spin keep Some of the action shown above is to go with plays from different series where the ball is snapped down the middle for either of the other backs to run on to. That's what the left back's counter step and guard's false pull shown above are about. Of course those don't have to be a feature of your offense. Belly would be a little different from your formation with no TE, and hence for instance no T-E cross block possible. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Aug 11, 2013 21:14:20 GMT -6
Looks like you have motion calls--Liz, Rip, Leo, and Ron--that you don't have plays for, so you can eliminate those, and you don't have any plays without Zoom motion, so you don't need a call for Zoom either. Hey, you've just saved a couple secs. in the huddle assuming you repeat every call!
One play I didn't mention that should be especially good if you do it with the QB facing #4 in his stance is a fly trap. The play side G & T go to 2nd level and you snap the ball a little earlier than you would for the 48. You use the back side G to trap whoever's 1st to the play side, and your 1 hands to 4 slanting inside following that trap block. The trap block may not even be necessary if the closest DL just flies into the backfield given the opp'ty, in which cast the trapping G is free to block at 2nd level as well.
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Post by pirate1590 on Aug 12, 2013 9:52:37 GMT -6
It is great at that level. Would recommend doing it out of a 2x2 set or trips, not a real big fan of doing it in a I offense. Be aware that you do need a lot of speed to make this work, if you are big and powerful you probably would wanna stick with the I.
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Post by smithers on Aug 12, 2013 11:38:22 GMT -6
We have a ton of speed at the motion position. Our line is small and inexperienced.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 12, 2013 11:48:12 GMT -6
We have a ton of speed at the motion position. Our line is small and inexperienced. Sounds like you will need to reach and scramble |
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Post by bobgoodman on Aug 12, 2013 12:29:22 GMT -6
We have a ton of speed at the motion position. Our line is small and inexperienced. Sounds like you will need to reach and scramble Maybe not. A youth coach at DumCoach says if it's done right, you don't need to block anyone on the DL behind (i.e. to the away side of) the play side B gap. And that's with the QB's having to do a 180 after the snap to hand the ball off! If it's true under those conditions, then all the more so if the QB stands facing the away side and barely has to move the ball out from under the C's butt for Z to take it, because then the ball can be snapped even later in Z's motion and the defense has less time to penetrate. However, if "scramble" means what I think you mean, then it's true that the play side T can extend his reach a little bit against a 6 tech by finishing with all 4s on the ground. It's the other plays that'll be more of a challenge for the small, inexperienced OL. |
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Post by 33coach on Aug 12, 2013 12:32:40 GMT -6
Sounds like you will need to reach and scramble Maybe not. A youth coach at DumCoach says if it's done right, you don't need to block anyone on the DL behind (i.e. to the away side of) the play side B gap. And that's with the QB's having to do a 180 after the snap to hand the ball off! If it's true under those conditions, then all the more so if the QB stands facing the away side and barely has to move the ball out from under the C's butt for Z to take it, because then the ball can be snapped even later in Z's motion and the defense has less time to penetrate. However, if "scramble" means what I think you mean, then it's true that the play side T can extend his reach a little bit against a 6 tech by finishing with all 4s on the ground. It's the other plays that'll be more of a challenge for the small, inexperienced OL. thats true, you can go all second level if you have the speed. i dont really subscribe to that. when i ran the fly (first and second year coaching) i had two ways of blocking it: Fly Reach: Playside - All Reach Backside - All second level. Fly Down: PSE - Down PST - Gap/On/Down PSG - Gap/On/Down Backside - all second level |
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Post by bobgoodman on Aug 12, 2013 13:11:27 GMT -6
I like the idea of having 2 ways to block it so they don't know where they're going to get hit from. The "down" scheme leaves an overhang, but him just knowing they might have to fight thru a block on some plays will help with that. The corollary of the defense not having much time to react, though, is that a blocker's going to have to start wide enough to get there ahead of Z, so the split in the backs has to be enough if the one on the near side has to pick up that overhang.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 12, 2013 13:13:43 GMT -6
I like the idea of having 2 ways to block it so they don't know where they're going to get hit from. The "down" scheme leaves an overhang, but him just knowing they might have to fight thru a block on some plays will help with that. The corollary of the defense not having much time to react, though, is that a blocker's going to have to start wide enough to get there ahead of Z, so the split in the backs has to be enough if the one on the near side has to pick up that overhang. I typically ran from the classic "wing T" set so the near back would lead/log |
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