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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 23:21:23 GMT -6
This year at the high school I coach at, we're coaching 3 level all together (freshman, JV, & Varsity) with 10 coaches. It's been a struggle and very frustrating. It's not like we're a super small school.
Has any of you coaches out there had to ever do this?
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Post by coach2013 on Aug 6, 2013 23:35:26 GMT -6
Yes, we do this as well. We do it with 5 and sometimes 6 coaches. At times we have the frosh and a few tiny sophs practice on their own to prepare for frosh games. There are pros and cons to it. Curious as to why you are doing that when you have ten coaches?
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 7, 2013 0:50:24 GMT -6
2013 is right. In most situations where one staff coaches all levels, it is because they have 4-6 coaches. If you have 10, wouldn't it easier to have 6-7 coach the JV and Varsity guys while 3-4 guys coach the freshmen on all fundamentals?
I was on a staff where I coached the OL for all three levels. Freshmen would lift first, then set up and work the field. JV and varsity would come in and alternate between film study and weights. They, then, would work the field and clean up after. I'd just be on the field all day. Run game coordinator would watch film with the boys. We only had 6 guys on staff though.
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Post by Coach Huey on Aug 7, 2013 5:42:49 GMT -6
we have 132 boys in our football program. We have 8 coaches - 4 offense, 4 defense. we coach all 3 teams. Freshmen practice before school. varsity/jv after school. some of us even go help our 4 junior high coaches during the day.
nearly every school in texas coaches all 3 levels... at least to some degree. we don't have a "varsity staff", a "jv staff", etc. we have a "coaching staff" and everyone is pulling on the same rope.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 7, 2013 6:06:36 GMT -6
we have 132 boys in our football program. We have 8 coaches - 4 offense, 4 defense. we coach all 3 teams. Freshmen practice before school. varsity/jv after school. some of us even go help our 4 junior high coaches during the day. nearly every school in texas coaches all 3 levels... at least to some degree. we don't have a "varsity staff", a "jv staff", etc. we have a "coaching staff" and everyone is pulling on the same rope. Wait you guys in Texas don't have a coach for each position with an assistant for each coach and 5 managers to help each coach at every level? I thought that was normal down there. With that being said why if you have 10 coaches would all the teams practice together? JV/Varsity is pretty common to do but if you have a separate Frosh program they should be on their own for sure. Is it that some guys don't want to be pegged as the frosh coaches for ego reasons or something? If you don't have a stand alone frosh team then having everyone together is something lots of teams do with 9-12 practicing together. But if your trying to get 3 teams ready all that the same time with the same coaches I can see how that would be cluster you-know-what... |
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Post by spos21ram on Aug 7, 2013 7:41:41 GMT -6
We have one staff, 6 paid coaches, 2 volunteers, and we coach all three levels and never had a problem. You have 10 coaches and think it's a problem??
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Post by spos21ram on Aug 7, 2013 8:52:20 GMT -6
I'll expand on what we do. During Cals and Indy all three team's personnel practice together. When we split into 7 on 7 the Varsity and JV are together, freshmen break off. Out of our 8 man staff, we are divided into 3 sub-staffs when it comes to team time and games.
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 7, 2013 8:55:19 GMT -6
Yeah. What's the problem? The only one that I would see is the freshmen being so green when it comes to fundamentals that it would take time away from the Var/JV guys. But, that's why Huey has them before school and most of us have them separate. What's the issue for your staff?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 9:00:46 GMT -6
Okay coaches I understand it shouldn't be an issue. My gripe is that the freshman slow down the varsity & JV especially during the drills. 70% of the freshman never played and are not athletic. It takes some patience I guess
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Post by Coach Huey on Aug 7, 2013 9:33:01 GMT -6
Okay coaches I understand it shouldn't be an issue. My gripe is that the freshman slow down the varsity & JV especially during the drills. 70% of the freshman never played and are not athletic. It takes some patience I guess here's an example of how you can do drills without it "slowing" down too much. routes on air with the qb's. one side is the varsity throwing to varsity rec's. other side is the jv qb throwing to jv qb's. rec coach will coach one side while the qb coach will coach the other side. switch sides to insure everyone runs routes both right/left. do hulls where varsity runs 8 plays as fast as they can. then while they're getting a rinse out, the JV runs 4. then varsity, then jv, etc. |
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 7, 2013 9:57:24 GMT -6
Coach Huey, I think his issue is with freshmen slowing down practice. Not the JV. Which is why I would think its better to either have them practice at a different time or with different coaches. Do you platoon? If not, then why not have two coaches for every position group? One could run drills for the freshmen as the JV and Var run drills together. Team sessions would still need to be broken up with coaches working freshmen separately to save reps.
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Post by bgj on Aug 7, 2013 11:51:52 GMT -6
Here is an idea...
We do this in the summer during camp, separate the Fr/So and Varsity... when Fr/So are on offense, varsity is on defense, then we switch. (We have Freshman, Sophomore. and Varsity teams (Illinois) (No separate JV, but we play JV games)
If we have advance Sophs we bring them with the varsity...
In Season, we do the same thing, but Freshman are on their own with their coaches, and we have Sophs on defense, Varsity on offense, then we switch.
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Post by Coach Huey on Aug 7, 2013 12:08:12 GMT -6
Coach Huey, I think his issue is with freshmen slowing down practice. Not the JV. Which is why I would think its better to either have them practice at a different time or with different coaches. Do you platoon? If not, then why not have two coaches for every position group? One could run drills for the freshmen as the JV and Var run drills together. Team sessions would still need to be broken up with coaches working freshmen separately to save reps. example means ... here's a brief snapshot of what one could do. i.e. i'm giving a short synopsis not the whole plan. i'll elaborate.... take 1 group & put them on defense. take 2 groups & put them on offense. half that so they are essentially practicing separately but, um, they're really not. varsity could be on defense, getting coached by the defensive coaches. at the same time, the offensive coaches could be coaching the JV & freshmen on offense. flip it halfway through practice. you always have a "full staff" (i.e. all your position coaches for that side of the ball) with the varsity. 3 different levels/teams doing the same individual drills is a bit much. something to consider is which group is the largest? do you have the ability for one team to service itself.. i.e. you have 32 freshmen so they could go freshmen offense vs a freshmen scout team. take the largest group & separate them or separate the varsity & work the sub-varsity teams together. |
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Post by orion320 on Aug 7, 2013 18:10:16 GMT -6
This year at the high school I coach at, we're coaching 3 level all together (freshman, JV, & Varsity) with 10 coaches. It's been a struggle and very frustrating. It's not like we're a super small school. Has any of you coaches out there had to ever do this? We are doing the same with only 5 coaches. 75 kids in the program. |
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Post by bhsfbc on Aug 8, 2013 9:13:47 GMT -6
We practice all levels 3 days a week and call it "individual period" offensive individual period for 20 minutes then rotate to a defensive individual period for 20 min. we practice fundamentals during individual period. After individual we break up into our individual teams. We practice this every Mon,Tue,Wed. We have 10 coaches in our program some coaches cannot be at the start of practice they teach other schools.
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Post by veerman on Aug 8, 2013 10:08:03 GMT -6
lol.... were I am at there are 5 coaches that's counting me also, we are the middle school staff the jv staff and the varsity staff..... yes it's very tough....
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Post by coachcb on Aug 8, 2013 15:53:12 GMT -6
I've coached in both situations and working with all three levels is much more effective and efficient.
You ensure that the kids get continuity and consistency in their coaching throughout the years. It's just better development all around.
In fourteen years of doing this, I cannot tell you how many arguments I've seen between various staff "levels" over stuff. Why argue with a freshman coach over him teaching the kids poor technique when you can just do it yourself?
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Post by veerman on Aug 8, 2013 18:40:30 GMT -6
oh I agree cb, that's why I don't mind coaching my middle school all the way to varsity high school. Our middle schoolers are being taught the same things as the high school. Being the head coach of all three is a bit of stress, but the rewards will be well worth it when my 7th and 8th graders become jr and sr in high school. This is first year here so will let you know results In 4-5 years lol.
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