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Post by CoachHess on Jul 30, 2013 22:13:50 GMT -6
Wasn't getting much traction on other board. See if we can get some more input/thoughts on the general board......
Myself and the AD disagree greatly on this one. We have had intermurals for a long time here, well before we started the program. Previous coaches allowed players to play, I do not. Our numbers are down in all of our sports, and football is really struggling to stay afloat. We have 20 kids right now, and finished last year with 17. The AD says there are a handful of kids who don't play football because they can't play intermurals during the season. So here is the question:
Do I allow kids to play intermurals during season? What would you do? If you really wanted to play varsity football, wouldn't you push intermurals aside? I am against it strongly. You can play varsity athletics, learn discipline, work ethic, teamwork, all the character traits this game reveals in people. Or you can play intermurals, show up the night of games and then go home.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 31, 2013 6:44:37 GMT -6
Do I allow kids to play intermurals during season? What would you do? If you really wanted to play varsity football, wouldn't you push intermurals aside? I am against it strongly. You can play varsity athletics, learn discipline, work ethic, teamwork, all the character traits this game reveals in people. Or you can play intermurals, show up the night of games and then go home. I didn't see the word FUN anywhere in your post.... |
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Post by fantom on Jul 31, 2013 8:01:34 GMT -6
Wasn't getting much traction on other board. See if we can get some more input/thoughts on the general board...... Myself and the AD disagree greatly on this one. We have had intermurals for a long time here, well before we started the program. Previous coaches allowed players to play, I do not. Our numbers are down in all of our sports, and football is really struggling to stay afloat. We have 20 kids right now, and finished last year with 17. The AD says there are a handful of kids who don't play football because they can't play intermurals during the season. So here is the question: Do I allow kids to play intermurals during season? What would you do? If you really wanted to play varsity football, wouldn't you push intermurals aside? I am against it strongly. You can play varsity athletics, learn discipline, work ethic, teamwork, all the character traits this game reveals in people. Or you can play intermurals, show up the night of games and then go home. What's th down side of letting them play? |
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Post by dsqa on Jul 31, 2013 8:08:47 GMT -6
Intramurals can be team building... if there are girls there, your school's best athletes will be there...just sayin'
IMO, I would want athletes involved in anything that teaches them to value team...If it doesn't interfere with practice, I'd coach one of the intramural teams if they let me...or be a referee...you have to go where the players are and win them over on many levels.
They need to see us as more than just the tough football coach if we want to gain their trust...I firmly believe this is why coaches who have kids into their homes, going to their other sports games, and meet them outside of football get more from their kids - trust accelerates "buy-in"
Getting buy-in from any athlete is a critical pre-requisite to the things you want in them. That doesn't come "built-in" as much anymore, because by and large, mom and Dad are afraid to engage on that level with them...why? Because they feel like they are failing the kids themselves and they know it...marriages are a mess, careers are in flux, and there are a lot more unknowns for adults - makes it tough to sell a kid on the upside of a future of self-discipline and hard work...
Football on the other hand can provide a shorter term context for those good things...we know that, but it might take some convincing to get the kids to try...Kids seem to go where they feel they matter, they are intimidated by what looks like anything that will expose them for the coward they are, and they are not interested if they sense they are being controlled outside of their choice...this is the culture of "me" being sold to kids. I think that's what you are running up against, not intramurals...
For every one you might lose to injury, you could likely gain two for interest.
What do you have to lose, you are already short on players?
As always...just an opinion...
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Post by dubber on Jul 31, 2013 10:20:14 GMT -6
Wasn't getting much traction on other board. See if we can get some more input/thoughts on the general board...... Myself and the AD disagree greatly on this one. We have had intermurals for a long time here, well before we started the program. Previous coaches allowed players to play, I do not. Our numbers are down in all of our sports, and football is really struggling to stay afloat. We have 20 kids right now, and finished last year with 17. The AD says there are a handful of kids who don't play football because they can't play intermurals during the season. So here is the question: Do I allow kids to play intermurals during season? What would you do? If you really wanted to play varsity football, wouldn't you push intermurals aside? I am against it strongly. You can play varsity athletics, learn discipline, work ethic, teamwork, all the character traits this game reveals in people. Or you can play intermurals, show up the night of games and then go home. Any way to work practice in and around intermurals? Is this basketball stuff? |
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Post by fantom on Jul 31, 2013 10:28:10 GMT -6
Wasn't getting much traction on other board. See if we can get some more input/thoughts on the general board...... Myself and the AD disagree greatly on this one. We have had intermurals for a long time here, well before we started the program. Previous coaches allowed players to play, I do not. Our numbers are down in all of our sports, and football is really struggling to stay afloat. We have 20 kids right now, and finished last year with 17. The AD says there are a handful of kids who don't play football because they can't play intermurals during the season. So here is the question: Do I allow kids to play intermurals during season? What would you do? If you really wanted to play varsity football, wouldn't you push intermurals aside? I am against it strongly. You can play varsity athletics, learn discipline, work ethic, teamwork, all the character traits this game reveals in people. Or you can play intermurals, show up the night of games and then go home. Any way to work practice in and around intermurals? Is this basketball stuff? In his original thread on the Careers board the OP said that these are real intramurals (not basketball practice in disguise) and that they're after practice. |
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Post by CoachHess on Jul 31, 2013 11:32:56 GMT -6
Intermurals are after practice. I don't so much as have a problem with the kids playing, I want them to have fun doing as much as they can. With our low numbers, that is one more chance of a kid getting injured. Would you be ok with your kid playing AAU basketball on Saturdays during the season? At this point, I am leaning towards relenting on the rule and letting the kids play intermurals. dsqa bring up valid points.
I guess my biggest issue is we are giving kids an excuse for not playing high school athletics. Our numbers are down in every sport, yet intermurals continue. If they don't want to have structure and follow rules, be in the weight room and invest in the team, then they play intermurals. That is the biggest issue I have with it.
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Post by fantom on Jul 31, 2013 11:35:31 GMT -6
Intermurals are after practice. I don't so much as have a problem with the kids playing, I want them to have fun doing as much as they can. With our low numbers, that is one more chance of a kid getting injured. Would you be ok with your kid playing AAU basketball on Saturdays during the season? At this point, I am leaning towards relenting on the rule and letting the kids play intermurals. dsqa bring up valid points. I guess my biggest issue is we are giving kids an excuse for not playing high school athletics. Our numbers are down in every sport, yet intermurals continue. If they don't want to have structure and follow rules, be in the weight room and invest in the team, then they play intermurals. That is the biggest issue I have with it. Are you proposing eliminating intramurals altogether? |
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Post by CoachHess on Jul 31, 2013 13:17:59 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind seeing that. We only have 460 kids in the school. Our athletic programs need those kids to play athletics as much as possible to field our teams. It won't happen I know that. Can't beat em join em I suppose.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 31, 2013 15:16:22 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind seeing that. We only have 460 kids in the school. Our athletic programs need those kids to play athletics as much as possible to field our teams. It won't happen I know that. Can't beat em join em I suppose. UUkicker... I am getting a feeling this is not in the United States. Am I correct? |
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 31, 2013 17:50:50 GMT -6
With a small school and worse, a small roster, you are goin to have to loosen up a bit.
Make it attractive to play. Heck, see if you can run the intramurals and make it a "football thing"- consider it conditioning and team building.
I think youll score points with the AD as well.
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Post by CoachHess on Jul 31, 2013 19:23:57 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind seeing that. We only have 460 kids in the school. Our athletic programs need those kids to play athletics as much as possible to field our teams. It won't happen I know that. Can't beat em join em I suppose. UUkicker... I am getting a feeling this is not in the United States. Am I correct? Far from it. God's country....southern Indiana. |
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Post by CoachHess on Jul 31, 2013 19:25:24 GMT -6
With a small school and worse, a small roster, you are goin to have to loosen up a bit. Make it attractive to play. Heck, see if you can run the intramurals and make it a "football thing"- consider it conditioning and team building. I think youll score points with the AD as well. I think you're right. I just can't imagine kids saying to themselves "I want to play varsity football but if I can't do my intermural softball, I just won't do it" Oh well. Relent and see what happens. |
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 31, 2013 20:53:58 GMT -6
What they care about is "what are my friends doing? Oh, they are playing intramurals" so, get those kids too.
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Post by CoachHess on Jul 31, 2013 21:12:43 GMT -6
That's the approach going forward Coach. Thanks for the insight/opinions as always fellas.
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Post by dubber on Jul 31, 2013 21:29:27 GMT -6
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Post by dubber on Jul 31, 2013 21:30:46 GMT -6
UUkicker... I am getting a feeling this is not in the United States. Am I correct? Far from it. God's country....southern Indiana.Amen |
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