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Post by larrymoe on Jul 31, 2013 12:57:38 GMT -6
I basically remember doing a few indy drills, then lining up in our defense and the coaches saying this is our defense. No 8 million calls and fronts and stunts and stuff. And you know what? We weren't half bad. Shocking huh? Maybe the past still has some productive insight for us all. you have to remember though. in those days you didnt have packaged plays: Zone Read/Iso/Bubble/Vertical with a halfback pass all in one play. I love posts like this. No. There wasn't anything like that in the triple option/double dive wing t type teams. Football is football. What you think is new and super inventive is just someone recycling crap from 40 years ago. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 31, 2013 13:01:54 GMT -6
I have no doubt that in 1973 coaches were saying "Twenty years ago.....". Just because coaches said the same things 20 and 40 years ago doesn't mean that it isn't true. You can't really even begin to argue that the overall work ethic of Americans has eroded monumentally since our grandparents and great grandparent's eras can you? I said that the kids playing football today work 100 times harder than we did and I meant it. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 31, 2013 13:01:55 GMT -6
Most of the time when a kid asks why, they aren't challenging you. They legitimately want to know. I tell my players why we do everything we do when I teach technique. They usually agree that it makes sense. I used to not do this, and felt like I wasted time in individual because they would always go back to bad habits when we went team. Once I started explaining the why, execution improved. We don't have a lot of kids ask why at practice, because I think we do a good job of explaining why when do certain drills. However, in the classroom I've found that kids don't really want to know why. In most of their other classes when they ask why, it seems like the teacher just gets frustrated and stops whatever they're doing. They've learned that asking a bunch of questions generally gets them out of doing anything. In my class(history), I explain it. What I find is that once they figure out it's not going to fluster me, they usually don't listen for the explanation. Even the kids that really want to know the answer don't listen to it because it isn't a 10 second soundbite. History can't be explained all the time in 2 sentences. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 31, 2013 13:07:09 GMT -6
Just because coaches said the same things 20 and 40 years ago doesn't mean that it isn't true. You can't really even begin to argue that the overall work ethic of Americans has eroded monumentally since our grandparents and great grandparent's eras can you? I said that the kids playing football today work 100 times harder than we did and I meant it. Some do, some don't. My hardest workers? Ya. They do way more than was asked of us in 1993. But in 1993 you'd have 65-70 kids on a team that would work moderately hard overall versus 35 kids that work a little overall harder today. There's no doubt I have 25 kids out of 47 that work as hard or harder than I did as a senior captain and most regular kid in the weight room. But we also don't have those 30 moderate workers that we had in 1993. Those kids just don't go out anymore because they don't want to work as hard as we ask them to. |
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Post by 33coach on Jul 31, 2013 13:08:43 GMT -6
you have to remember though. in those days you didnt have packaged plays: Zone Read/Iso/Bubble/Vertical with a halfback pass all in one play. I love posts like this. No. There wasn't anything like that in the triple option/double dive wing t type teams. Football is football. What you think is new and super inventive is just someone recycling crap from 40 years ago. the game has changed (as much as i hate where it is today) . and yes, we have WAY more conditional plays and packaged plays then ever before. my example was meant to be mostly a joke, but its not far off from what some of the spread guys are doing. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 31, 2013 13:24:42 GMT -6
I said that the kids playing football today work 100 times harder than we did and I meant it. Some do, some don't. My hardest workers? Ya. They do way more than was asked of us in 1993. But in 1993 you'd have 65-70 kids on a team that would work moderately hard overall versus 35 kids that work a little overall harder today. There's no doubt I have 25 kids out of 47 that work as hard or harder than I did as a senior captain and most regular kid in the weight room. But we also don't have those 30 moderate workers that we had in 1993. Those kids just don't go out anymore because they don't want to work as hard as we ask them to. I can't speak for your state but I know that here in 1993: * There was no such thing as 7 on 7. * There was no onfield football work until practice started. * Summer workouts consisted of lifting (and workouts weren't nearly as tough as they are now) and a little running. * Plyos? Never heard of them. * We never had close to 100% participation in any given workout. 1973? Forget about it. Most schools didn't even have organized summer workouts. We put much greater demands on kids today and it's not even close. |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 31, 2013 21:41:38 GMT -6
Some do, some don't. My hardest workers? Ya. They do way more than was asked of us in 1993. But in 1993 you'd have 65-70 kids on a team that would work moderately hard overall versus 35 kids that work a little overall harder today. There's no doubt I have 25 kids out of 47 that work as hard or harder than I did as a senior captain and most regular kid in the weight room. But we also don't have those 30 moderate workers that we had in 1993. Those kids just don't go out anymore because they don't want to work as hard as we ask them to. I can't speak for your state but I know that here in 1993: * There was no such thing as 7 on 7. * There was no onfield football work until practice started. * Summer workouts consisted of lifting (and workouts weren't nearly as tough as they are now) and a little running. * Plyos? Never heard of them. * We never had close to 100% participation in any given workout. 1973? Forget about it. Most schools didn't even have organized summer workouts. We put much greater demands on kids today and it's not even close. I agree 100%. |
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Post by airman on Aug 1, 2013 11:58:36 GMT -6
I have no doubt that in 1973 coaches were saying "Twenty years ago.....". Just because coaches said the same things 20 and 40 years ago doesn't mean that it isn't true. You can't really even begin to argue that the overall work ethic of Americans has eroded monumentally since our grandparents and great grandparent's eras can you? how can you even compare generations/work ethic. 40 years ago we were in the industrial revolution. we are no longer in the industrial revolution we are in the information age so the level and type of work are different. working hard today might mean spending 4 to 6 hours at a computer terminal. Labor jobs are taken up my illegals and legal immigrants which helps keep the costs down. |
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Post by airman on Aug 1, 2013 12:01:32 GMT -6
I said that the kids playing football today work 100 times harder than we did and I meant it. Some do, some don't. My hardest workers? Ya. They do way more than was asked of us in 1993. But in 1993 you'd have 65-70 kids on a team that would work moderately hard overall versus 35 kids that work a little overall harder today. There's no doubt I have 25 kids out of 47 that work as hard or harder than I did as a senior captain and most regular kid in the weight room. But we also don't have those 30 moderate workers that we had in 1993. Those kids just don't go out anymore because they don't want to work as hard as we ask them to. one has to understand football is in a down slide. The numbers of kids playing football are going down each year. Football is a demanding game and we are no longer in a labor intensive economy. The nerds are now running things and will continue to run things. adapt or die is the future of football. |
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Post by 33coach on Aug 1, 2013 12:03:00 GMT -6
I have no doubt that in 1973 coaches were saying "Twenty years ago.....". what did coaches say the first couple years ? |
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Post by fantom on Aug 1, 2013 12:04:29 GMT -6
They probably complained about that pu$$y Roosevelt banning the Flying Wedge.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 1, 2013 12:16:12 GMT -6
Just because coaches said the same things 20 and 40 years ago doesn't mean that it isn't true. You can't really even begin to argue that the overall work ethic of Americans has eroded monumentally since our grandparents and great grandparent's eras can you? how can you even compare generations/work ethic. 40 years ago we were in the industrial revolution. we are no longer in the industrial revolution we are in the information age so the level and type of work are different. working hard today might mean spending 4 to 6 hours at a computer terminal. Labor jobs are taken up my illegals and legal immigrants which helps keep the costs down. I can compare it by my relationships with older generations. Much of my grandfather's generations (one born in 1912 and the other in the mid 20s) would work themselves to death to provide for their families. "Stress relief" for them was physical labor, not workouts like Crossfit that mimic physical labor. I imagine, if they were asked to, they'd work at computers to get by as well. I don't think you can say the opposite of people today. Ask them to shovel cow manure for 8 hours a day and 3 out of 4 people would probably rather draw welfare. Around here people hire "Texans" for field labor for detassling and not what, not necessarily because of costs, because they couldn't find enough teenagers willing to do manual labor. And if they did take they job, they couldn't find enough that wouldn't just quit because it was too hard. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 1, 2013 12:21:09 GMT -6
I can't speak for your state but I know that here in 1993: * There was no such thing as 7 on 7. * There was no onfield football work until practice started. * Summer workouts consisted of lifting (and workouts weren't nearly as tough as they are now) and a little running. * Plyos? Never heard of them. * We never had close to 100% participation in any given workout. 1973? Forget about it. Most schools didn't even have organized summer workouts. We put much greater demands on kids today and it's not even close. In my senior year, our skill guys went to a 7on7 league ever Tues night at ISU in June and July. We even had a couple at our HS. We even had some weird game the linemen played that involved a volleyball net and a medicine ball that we played during the 7on7. We had two weeks of camp, but no every Monday practices like we do. One in June and one in July. However, we did more conditioning in our camp in 93 than I have our kids do today. We didn't run in 93. That was considered to be something you did on your own. I didn't do enough, but we did do plyos. Box jumps, dot drills, and some other stuff. 100% participation? Do you mean 100% showing up or 100% effort? I've still never had 100% of either to anything over the summer. Someone's always gone or dogging it. |
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Post by coach2013 on Aug 1, 2013 12:50:04 GMT -6
Recently two captain application letters came across my desk.
one of them highlighted that he drives an hour each way to workouts (our workouts are early mornings)
another said the same thing.
Clearly driving distance and time of the day are sacrifice things that should be recognized.
one of the letters also pointed out that the applicant had played baseball his entire life, this year, going into his senior campaign, the applicant went out for track to work on his football speed which I had recommended.
Kids are great, but they are not all the same in every school or community. I can attest to that.
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 1, 2013 15:44:09 GMT -6
I love when kids ask me why we do things because it shows they care and are working it out in their heads. I always believed that if the reason you do it isn't important to know, then the movement itself must not be that important either. It's because of coaches who were enthusiastic about answering my "why"s that led me to love this game.
The ones who drive me crazy are the ones who ask why when they've missed half or more of the practices.
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 1, 2013 15:47:05 GMT -6
When I have new coaches, I always sit them down and have them explain me the technique they want to teach that week. I'll ask them "Why?" for everything. It drives them nuts. If they ever ask why the hell I want to know. I say if you can't answer the question, then you don't know the technique as well as you thought you did and are not going to teach my defense incompetent techniques. Great exercise for guys starting out.
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Post by coach2013 on Aug 2, 2013 2:34:27 GMT -6
Hmm. we do it the opposite. I teach my assistants the techniques they will teach for our defense. They are usually the ones who want to know why so I teach the why part to them before they ask, just like I would teach it to a kid.
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Post by fballcoachg on Aug 2, 2013 17:59:46 GMT -6
The glorifed past that never was but always be...
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