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Post by fantom on Jul 25, 2013 14:02:03 GMT -6
Today I heard Rich Rodriguez say the old line, "Twenty years ago if you told a kid to run through a brick wall he did. Now they ask why". Twenty years ago, 1993, I was coaching and heard coaches say exactly the same thing. That takes to 1973. I was playing in 1973. I never had a coach tell me to run through a brick wall. Were coaches just smarter in 1973?
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Post by John Knight on Jul 25, 2013 15:56:38 GMT -6
I had to walk 5 miles to school, uphill both ways.
We didn't have hudl either! LOL
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Post by dubber on Jul 25, 2013 16:28:13 GMT -6
Grown ups b!tch about kids
Kids b!tch about grown ups
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
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Post by blb on Jul 25, 2013 16:53:15 GMT -6
I had to walk 5 miles to school, uphill both ways. We didn't have hudl either! LOL Barefoot, in the snow. Did homework by candle light in front of the hearth-fireplace. And yes, Lincoln was a great president.
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Post by tothehouse on Jul 25, 2013 16:57:42 GMT -6
Our current players hate the story I tell them of the kid who left at 3am and rode his bike to practice...which started at 5:45am. In the 80's? Nope. 2007. It can be done if your mind gets past the "no".
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Post by blb on Jul 25, 2013 16:58:49 GMT -6
Today I heard Rich Rodriguez say the old line, "Twenty years ago if you told a kid to run through a brick wall he did. Now they ask why". Twenty years ago, 1993, I was coaching and heard coaches say exactly the same thing. That takes to 1973. I was playing in 1973. I never had a coach tell me to run through a brick wall. Were coaches just smarter in 1973? Times, they were a changing.' Back in the Day authority figures were not questioned so much. "Run through a brick wall" example is hyperbole that's been around for ever. Fact is, if kids know WHY you ask them to do something they will have a lot more confidence and give more effort to do it. And if it doesn't work, be more receptive to coaching when you correct them or "adjust" what you're doing.
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Post by 33coach on Jul 25, 2013 19:30:18 GMT -6
Kids (and coaches) SHOULD question everyone ... With all the crap that's pushed into there heads... It's the only defense mechanism they have from becoming soft, sheltered, and ignorant of the world.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jul 25, 2013 19:32:11 GMT -6
Today I heard Rich Rodriguez say the old line, "Twenty years ago if you told a kid to run through a brick wall he did. Now they ask why". Twenty years ago, 1993, I was coaching and heard coaches say exactly the same thing. That takes to 1973. I was playing in 1973. I never had a coach tell me to run through a brick wall. Were coaches just smarter in 1973? Not adding much but this is great perspective for all of us, myself included, when we get caught up in the "kids these days" type of deal. It never hurts to tell them why, those that process and accept the why are the cats you want on the field.
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Post by fantom on Jul 25, 2013 20:45:55 GMT -6
I find it hilarious when I hear coaches complaining about kids today not having a work ethic because these kids work 100 times harder than we did.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 25, 2013 21:10:06 GMT -6
I had to walk 5 miles to school, uphill both ways. We didn't have hudl either! LOL WHAT!?!?!?! There was a time before Hudl? I graduated high school in 2004 and I am pretty sure that we watched our game film on VHS. As a coach now, I can't even fathom not having a tool like Hudl. I love Hudl.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 25, 2013 21:11:44 GMT -6
Today I heard Rich Rodriguez say the old line, "Twenty years ago if you told a kid to run through a brick wall he did. Now they ask why". Twenty years ago, 1993, I was coaching and heard coaches say exactly the same thing. That takes to 1973. I was playing in 1973. I never had a coach tell me to run through a brick wall. Were coaches just smarter in 1973? Not adding much but this is great perspective for all of us, myself included, when we get caught up in the "kids these days" type of deal. It never hurts to tell them why, those that process and accept the why are the cats you want on the field. Most of the time when a kid asks why, they aren't challenging you. They legitimately want to know. I tell my players why we do everything we do when I teach technique. They usually agree that it makes sense. I used to not do this, and felt like I wasted time in individual because they would always go back to bad habits when we went team. Once I started explaining the why, execution improved.
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Post by racehorse on Jul 26, 2013 4:37:30 GMT -6
crafted by Kenneth John Freeman, for his Cambridge dissertation published in 1907:
"The counts of the indictment are luxury, bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect to elders, and a love for chatter in place of exercise. Children began to be the tyrants, not the slaves, of their households. They no longer rose from their seats when an elder entered the room; they contradicted their parents, chattered before company, gobbled up the dainties at table, and committed various offences against Hellenic tastes, such as crossing their legs. They tyrannised over the paidagogoi and schoolmasters."
Nothing changes, we just get less tolerant as we gain "experience."
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Post by s73 on Jul 26, 2013 7:44:37 GMT -6
I find it hilarious when I hear coaches complaining about kids today not having a work ethic because these kids work 100 times harder than we did. Could not agree more. Never did a summer camp or 7 on 7 when I was in high school. Was also never offered year round lifting. "Kids these days" are asked to do more than I ever was, I know that for sure.
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Post by fantom on Jul 26, 2013 8:34:28 GMT -6
I find it hilarious when I hear coaches complaining about kids today not having a work ethic because these kids work 100 times harder than we did. Could not agree more. Never did a summer camp or 7 on 7 when I was in high school. Was also never offered year round lifting. "Kids these days" are asked to do more than I ever was, I know that for sure. Were your practices filmed so that you could get yelled out for loafing days later?
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Post by s73 on Jul 26, 2013 8:48:35 GMT -6
Could not agree more. Never did a summer camp or 7 on 7 when I was in high school. Was also never offered year round lifting. "Kids these days" are asked to do more than I ever was, I know that for sure. Were your practices filmed so that you could get yelled out for loafing days later? HAHAHA....no. In fact, I have only scarce memories of even watching much of our game film now that I think about it. I do remember our coach talking about how VHS tapes were going to make film watching so much more productive:) I basically remember doing a few indy drills, then lining up in our defense and the coaches saying this is our defense. No 8 million calls and fronts and stunts and stuff. And you know what? We weren't half bad. Shocking huh? Maybe the past still has some productive insight for us all.
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Post by 33coach on Jul 26, 2013 9:09:35 GMT -6
Were your practices filmed so that you could get yelled out for loafing days later? I basically remember doing a few indy drills, then lining up in our defense and the coaches saying this is our defense. No 8 million calls and fronts and stunts and stuff. And you know what? We weren't half bad. Shocking huh? Maybe the past still has some productive insight for us all. you have to remember though. in those days you didnt have packaged plays: Zone Read/Iso/Bubble/Vertical with a halfback pass all in one play.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 9:19:33 GMT -6
I basically remember doing a few indy drills, then lining up in our defense and the coaches saying this is our defense. No 8 million calls and fronts and stunts and stuff. And you know what? We weren't half bad. Shocking huh? Maybe the past still has some productive insight for us all. you have to remember though. in those days you didnt have packaged plays: Zone Read/Iso/Bubble/Vertical with a halfback pass all in one play. you had packaged plays i.e the wing t offense, run'shoot, I formation power, counter and toss, isv,osv, mid. they just called it from the sideline. I think, we as adult discount kids and their intelligence, and I know for fact that kids, young kids think we just big bang theory happened. It is our job as adults to close that gap. If we don't we are asking for trouble.
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Post by tekart on Jul 26, 2013 9:29:15 GMT -6
It has always been why do we do this. Baron von Steuben who was a German General that trained Washington's army at Valley Forge was blown away that he had to explain to the Americans why they needed to train like he said. They needed a reason even then. It must be genetic.
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Post by s73 on Jul 26, 2013 9:34:26 GMT -6
I basically remember doing a few indy drills, then lining up in our defense and the coaches saying this is our defense. No 8 million calls and fronts and stunts and stuff. And you know what? We weren't half bad. Shocking huh? Maybe the past still has some productive insight for us all. you have to remember though. in those days you didnt have packaged plays: Zone Read/Iso/Bubble/Vertical with a halfback pass all in one play. The game has definitely evolved, not arguing that. Back "in the day" we did not have the time to do as much as we do now due to state legislation allowing for fewer practices, etc. With that being said, we definitely had audibles (or packaged plays if you wish). Not quite the variety, but I think you would be surprised at how much some of the "old timers" got done is a short amount of time. I personally can think of a few guys from the past in our area that I would have a heck of a time beating on a Friday night.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 26, 2013 10:03:34 GMT -6
I would imagine that most of us on this board were the type of players that we would love to coach. Not all, but most.
So we probably remember how we thought of things, did things, and handled things we were seniors. We have either forgotton or never knew all the problems our coaches had with other players or other parents. Or with us when we were freshman.
Think of any seniors you have who might be potential coaches. What would you say about those kids and "working hard" or "running through a brick wall"?
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
― Socrates
Don't know if Socrates said this or not, but my dad showed to me 30 years ago. What is funny to hear guys I coached grow up and say the same things.
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Post by fantom on Jul 26, 2013 10:11:01 GMT -6
I would imagine that most of us on this board were the type of players that we would love to coach. Not all, but most. So we probably remember how we thought of things, did things, and handled things we were seniors. We have either forgotton or never knew all the problems our coaches had with other players or other parents. Or with us when we were freshman. Think of any seniors you have who might be potential coaches. What would you say about those kids and "working hard" or "running through a brick wall"? “Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.” ― Socrates Don't know if Socrates said this or not, but my dad showed to me 30 years ago. What is funny to hear guys I coached grow up and say the same things. I have no doubt that in 1973 coaches were saying "Twenty years ago.....".
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Post by airman on Jul 26, 2013 14:03:33 GMT -6
many coaches who think kids should not question why repeat a phrae from the military " mine is not to question why but to do or die" Those who think this means run through a brick wall without thinking are wrong.
In the infantry there is a saying " he who hesitates goes home in a body bag" meaming if you take too much time to analyze instead of relying on your training and moving you are going to get yourself or others killed.
Coaches need to explain the how and why so kids do not have to question. In classrooms teachers what kids to ask questions but it seems to many coaches if a kid questions something he is questioning the authority of the coach. better to ask a question then to look dumb.
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Post by hammer66 on Jul 26, 2013 14:07:47 GMT -6
I had to walk 5 miles to school, uphill both ways. We didn't have hudl either! LOL WHAT!?!?!?! There was a time before Hudl? I graduated high school in 2004 and I am pretty sure that we watched our game film on VHS. As a coach now, I can't even fathom not having a tool like Hudl. I love Hudl. AMEN on Hudl.... just got it! Day 2 in the books don't know how we got anything done without it!
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jul 26, 2013 20:18:06 GMT -6
The further back you go in time, the tougher the people were. Toilet paper was just invented in 1857. I'll bet the non-toilet paper people would kick the toilet paper people's @sses every time.
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Post by fantom on Jul 26, 2013 20:32:20 GMT -6
The further back you go in time, the tougher the people were. Toilet paper was just invented in 1857. I'll bet the non-toilet paper people would kick the toilet paper people's @sses every time. Couldn't catch them. The chafing made it hard to run.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 27, 2013 18:57:19 GMT -6
I had to walk 5 miles to school, uphill both ways. We didn't have hudl either! LOL WHAT!?!?!?! There was a time before Hudl? I graduated high school in 2004 and I am pretty sure that we watched our game film on VHS. As a coach now, I can't even fathom not having a tool like Hudl. I love Hudl. No joke. VHS, DVD? Trying to find that one play the other team ran from that one formation in the middle of the second quarter by fast forwarding and rewinding. Not anymore.
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Post by 33coach on Jul 27, 2013 19:00:10 GMT -6
many coaches who think kids should not question why repeat a phrae from the military " mine is not to question why but to do or die" Those who think this means run through a brick wall without thinking are wrong. In the infantry there is a saying " he who hesitates goes home in a body bag" meaming if you take too much time to analyze instead of relying on your training and moving you are going to get yourself or others killed. Coaches need to explain the how and why so kids do not have to question. In classrooms teachers what kids to ask questions but it seems to many coaches if a kid questions something he is questioning the authority of the coach. better to ask a question then to look dumb. Practices are questions and drilling Games are instinct and muscle memory Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by Coach Sunzeri DB's on Jul 27, 2013 22:52:08 GMT -6
Kids (and coaches) SHOULD question everyone ... With all the crap that's pushed into there heads... It's the only defense mechanism they have from becoming soft, sheltered, and ignorant of the world. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards BINGO!
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 31, 2013 10:50:58 GMT -6
many coaches who think kids should not question why repeat a phrae from the military " mine is not to question why but to do or die" Those who think this means run through a brick wall without thinking are wrong. In the infantry there is a saying " he who hesitates goes home in a body bag" meaming if you take too much time to analyze instead of relying on your training and moving you are going to get yourself or others killed. Coaches need to explain the how and why so kids do not have to question. In classrooms teachers what kids to ask questions but it seems to many coaches if a kid questions something he is questioning the authority of the coach. better to ask a question then to look dumb. Those coaches must not know how the Charge of the Light Brigade ended, and how the entire Crimean War went.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 31, 2013 12:54:42 GMT -6
I would imagine that most of us on this board were the type of players that we would love to coach. Not all, but most. So we probably remember how we thought of things, did things, and handled things we were seniors. We have either forgotton or never knew all the problems our coaches had with other players or other parents. Or with us when we were freshman. Think of any seniors you have who might be potential coaches. What would you say about those kids and "working hard" or "running through a brick wall"? “Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.” ― Socrates Don't know if Socrates said this or not, but my dad showed to me 30 years ago. What is funny to hear guys I coached grow up and say the same things. I have no doubt that in 1973 coaches were saying "Twenty years ago.....". Just because coaches said the same things 20 and 40 years ago doesn't mean that it isn't true. You can't really even begin to argue that the overall work ethic of Americans has eroded monumentally since our grandparents and great grandparent's eras can you?
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