airraid41
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Post by airraid41 on Jul 24, 2013 15:16:43 GMT -6
How do you feel about making it a priority to put God first in program? Not emphasizing only winning but shaping the student athletes to be better men and vocalizing this to your players. What's your take on this?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2013 15:18:08 GMT -6
Public school? Which god? -- This will probably end up being a locked thread because of people's beliefs regarding that central question.
Not sure why shaping players/students into being moral has ANYTHING to do with religion.
I would say it is a "bad" idea to pull any religion into football.
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airraid41
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Post by airraid41 on Jul 24, 2013 15:29:53 GMT -6
Public school? Which god? -- This will probably end up being a locked thread because of people's beliefs regarding that central question. Not sure why shaping players/students into being moral has ANYTHING to do with religion. I would say it is a "bad" idea to pull any religion into football. The same God teams pray to after the game during the team prayer on the field. I'm not saying force your faith on the kids. I do believe if you're a strong man a God it shows in your life and the way that you live. Take for instance Tony Dungy his wasn't afraid to make his beliefs public but he never forced it on his players and if the players had different beliefs he didn't treat them any differently(not playing them or making them feel alienated) He let his actions speak.
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Post by coachorm on Jul 24, 2013 15:31:51 GMT -6
This is really hard to do in a public school because you have to be careful about what you say. The best way to do it is through the example of how you live your life with and away from your players. Setting an example and showing the kids what you believe through your actions doesn't force anything on them. I think if you have God as your number 1 priority this will show on the field and eventually a player will ask you about it and at that point its ok to share your beliefs completely with them. One of our coaches is a preacher and he does not hide his faith at all, even calls guys out for inappropriate behavior on and off the field. Players have an unbelievable amount of respect for him. The key is don't hide your faith but don't cross the line of forcing kids to believe what you believe cause in the end you may push them away and may not be acting in God's timing. Hope this helps and I hope this thread doe not get locked.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2013 15:34:52 GMT -6
Public school? Which god? -- This will probably end up being a locked thread because of people's beliefs regarding that central question. Not sure why shaping players/students into being moral has ANYTHING to do with religion. I would say it is a "bad" idea to pull any religion into football. The same God teams pray to after the game during the team prayer on the field. I'm not saying force your faith on the kids. I do believe if you're a strong man a God it shows in your life and the way that you live. Take for instance Tony Dungy his wasn't afraid to make his beliefs public but he never forced it on his players and if the players had different beliefs he didn't treat them any differently(not playing them or making them feel alienated) He let his actions speak. Bad analogy. Tony Dungy was working with professional athletes, not 14-18 year olds. Tony Dungy did not work for a public school system, but rather a private company. And for the record, I am anti praying on the field as well. Regarding the "same god" that they pray to after the game... do you pray the rosary after the game? Bow to mecca? Wear a Yarmulke?
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 24, 2013 15:35:16 GMT -6
If it's public school id stay away from it
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 24, 2013 15:37:44 GMT -6
How do you feel about making it a priority to put God first in program? Not emphasizing only winning but shaping the student athletes to be better men and vocalizing this to your players. What's your take on this? This is what its all about in my mind. Everything you do should be about expanding the reign of God. You cant worry about "offending" others. what could possibly be offensive about the ten commandments and a simple expecation that we love one another as he loves us?
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Post by gators1422 on Jul 24, 2013 15:42:43 GMT -6
We areca public school, we pray before and after every practice, workout and game. After reading some of your responses I feel blessed to live where I do.
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airraid41
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Post by airraid41 on Jul 24, 2013 15:44:21 GMT -6
The same God teams pray to after the game during the team prayer on the field. I'm not saying force your faith on the kids. I do believe if you're a strong man a God it shows in your life and the way that you live. Take for instance Tony Dungy his wasn't afraid to make his beliefs public but he never forced it on his players and if the players had different beliefs he didn't treat them any differently(not playing them or making them feel alienated) He let his actions speak. Bad analogy. Tony Dungy was working with professional athletes, not 14-18 year olds. Tony Dungy did not work for a public school system, but rather a private company. And for the record, I am anti praying on the field as well. Regarding the "same god" that they pray to after the game... do you pray the rosary after the game? Bow to mecca? Wear a Yarmulke? You're correct great catch. Check out Coach Josh Niblett coach of Hoover High School in Hoover,Alabama. He runs a nationally ranked high school program and he expresses his faith any time he gets a chance one time being on a regional television after winning the state title. I believe it's all in how you do it coach.
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airraid41
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Post by airraid41 on Jul 24, 2013 15:46:32 GMT -6
Correction *On regional television
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2013 15:47:41 GMT -6
I only ask this of those that seem to be "pro" prayer and public school/football/athletics/extra curriculars...have you ever been in the Minority of such endeavors? Have you ever been in a situation where your faith was in the minority, and the majority exercised theirs? It is very easy to type "oh, it wouldnt bother me", but typing and living are two different things.
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Post by gators1422 on Jul 24, 2013 15:51:51 GMT -6
That would make it a pretty uncomfortable situation. Probably just try to be a living example to the kids and coaches and maybe keep your prayers to yourself in private.
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 24, 2013 15:52:47 GMT -6
Honestly, and I dont mind saying this, part of our job as CHRISTIANS is to spread the gospel and educate the doubtful and inform the ignorant. Thats just how it is. You are either a CHRISTIAN who accepts that responsibility to continue the work of Jesus Christ or you are an imposter pretending to be CHRISTIAN while concerning yourself with false Gods.
You cant have it both ways. So as a football coach who is a Christian, you cant deny Christ. You cant be ashamed of your faith and you cant hide it. Thats simply not how it is meant to work and "political correctness" has nothing to do with faith.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2013 15:54:04 GMT -6
That would make it a pretty uncomfortable situation. Probably just try to be a living example to the kids and coaches and maybe keep your prayers to yourself in private. Didn't you just describe what everyone who doesn't have the same faith on your team has to go through then?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2013 15:55:24 GMT -6
Honestly, and I dont mind saying this, part of our job as CHRISTIANS is to spread the gospel and educate the doubtful and inform the ignorant. Thats just how it is. You are either a CHRISTIAN who accepts that responsibility to continue the work of Jesus Christ or you are an imposter pretending to be CHRISTIAN while concerning yourself with false Gods. You cant have it both ways. So as a football coach who is a Christian, you cant deny Christ. You cant be ashamed of your faith and you cant hide it. Thats simply not how it is meant to work and "political correctness" has nothing to do with faith. BURN THE HEATHENS... They convert or they die!!!!!! Thank you for proving my point. "Oh Sky Cake, why are you so delicious!!!" This thread will lock in.....
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airraid41
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Post by airraid41 on Jul 24, 2013 15:56:20 GMT -6
I only ask this of those that seem to be "pro" prayer and public school/football/athletics/extra curriculars...have you ever been in the Minority of such endeavors? Have you ever been in a situation where your faith was in the minority, and the majority exercised theirs? It is very easy to type "oh, it wouldnt bother me", but typing and living are two different things. I'm currently serving in the U.S. military I have lived in 3 different countries including the Middle East. I know what it feels like to be in the minority. I know what it feels like to be laughed at for believing in Jesus Christ. I know what it feels like to be slandered,but the truth of the matter is that it strengthen me and made my faith even stronger. Getting back on subject(Putting God First In My Program) doesn't mean I repeatedly tell kids "YOU WILL BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST". It means that my program is built on Christian Values and if my athletes or others ask what makes me different or strengthens me I can say "My faith in my Lord and Savior".
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Post by dubber on Jul 24, 2013 15:57:37 GMT -6
How do you feel about making it a priority to put God first in program? Not emphasizing only winning but shaping the student athletes to be better men and vocalizing this to your players. What's your take on this? Part of what I had to realize, and it was hard to do, is that we CANNOT be in the business of making better men. We can instill discipline, we can model what a man should/can be, we can be demanding, we can be encouraging, etc. But moral guidance ain't one of those things......you will go insane trying.
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Post by gators1422 on Jul 24, 2013 15:57:47 GMT -6
That's definitely one way to look at it. We aren't pushy, but then again I'm not looking at it from someone elses perspective.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2013 16:00:23 GMT -6
I only ask this of those that seem to be "pro" prayer and public school/football/athletics/extra curriculars...have you ever been in the Minority of such endeavors? Have you ever been in a situation where your faith was in the minority, and the majority exercised theirs? It is very easy to type "oh, it wouldnt bother me", but typing and living are two different things. I'm currently serving in the U.S. military I have lived in 3 different countries including the Middle East. I know what it feels like to be in the minority. I know what it feels like to be laughed at for believing in Jesus Christ. I know what it feels like to be slandered,but the truth of the matter is that it strengthen me and made my faith even stronger. Getting back on subject(Putting God First In My Program) doesn't mean I repeatedly tell kids "YOU WILL BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST". It means that my program is built on Christian Values and if my athletes or others ask what makes me different or strengthens me I can say "My faith in my Lord and Savior". Keep in mind, you are already an adult...BUT.. regardless.. look at the large font above, and then realize if you specificially address RELIGION and FAITH in your program, you are doing exactly that to some of the players who look up to you as "Coach". Being a good person, being "moral" so to speak is independent of religion and does not require any religious slogans or platitudes. Besides, we all know that if you don't pray the rosary before a game you are not fulfilling God's wishes. Right?
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Post by coachweav88 on Jul 24, 2013 16:03:56 GMT -6
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 24, 2013 16:09:12 GMT -6
Never ever does there seem to be teaching that says to be intolerant of others, impatient of others. WE are to accept that everyone is a child of God. Sermons from Jesus are not about judging or saying others will burn, thats ignorance at work. Instead, we are to love others, accepting that they are all sinners, as we are sinners. WE however are loved by God unconditionally despite our sins. Love one another is about the simplest message there is in Christianity, Catholicism.
There simply isnt anything "offensive" about serving other humans, helping them in life as humbly as you can. As a football coach, you are in a tremendous position to role model and mentor kids and teach them morality and values and virtues. You are in a great position, even without saying "Jesus" to show that they are loved. That is our mission, to share the energy of the holy spirit by loving and doing for others.
As a football coach, you want your guys to grow into good dads, good husbands, good citizens, good brothers, good employees. You can teach them the value of caring for the poor, the sick, the homeless. I cant see anything offensive about that anywhere.
You simply cannot deny your own faith simply because someone else lacks faith. You cant be ashamed of your faith and make it "personal" if you truly believe we are all brothers and sons of ONE God.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2013 16:13:11 GMT -6
As a football coach, you want your guys to grow into good dads, good husbands, good citizens, good brothers, good employees. You can teach them the value of caring for the poor, the sick, the homeless. I cant see anything offensive about that anywhere. Nope..none. Also don't see ANY reason at all for the mention of Jesus, God, Christianity, Holy Spirit etc in doing the above task. They are mutually exclusive.
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 24, 2013 16:19:36 GMT -6
And thats fine coach, there were others that denied Christ, any coach that did would not be the first or the last. It is however an expectation upon Christians to educate others of all nations on the words of Christ. Like it or not , that is how Christianity works. As a Christian man myself, I have at times prayed quietly, hoping I didnt get fired for it, then after some time, started having moments of silence and told my guys that I was praying and what I prayed about. Over time I realized that the right thing to do for me was to do what I am called to do as a Christian. I know full well that there are athiests and antichrist people and so on, thats not my concern, my concern is to fulfil my job in living as Christ lived to the best of my human capability. I might get fired, I might make people angry, I might get sued, but Ill do it knowing that I am trying to do what I was placed on earth to do.
That doesnt make me better than anyone else, not in Gods eyes, not in my eyes. It just helps me feel that I am fulfilling my promise to accept Jesus and do Gods will.
"In your country its a miracle when God does some mans will- In my country, its a miracle when some man does the will of God" - It doesnt matter what others think or belive, love them anyway, regardless,unconditionally and serve them. Again, thats how it works.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2013 16:24:09 GMT -6
And thats fine coach, there were others that denied Christ, any coach that did would not be the first or the last. It is however an expectation upon Christians to educate others of all nations on the words of Christ. Like it or not , that is how Christianity works. As a Christian man myself, I have at times prayed quietly, hoping I didnt get fired for it, then after some time, started having moments of silence and told my guys that I was praying and what I prayed about. Over time I realized that the right thing to do for me was to do what I am called to do as a Christian. I know full well that there are athiests and antichrist people and so on, thats not my concern, my concern is to fulfil my job in living as Christ lived to the best of my human capability. I might get fired, I might make people angry, I might get sued, but Ill do it knowing that I am trying to do what I was placed on earth to do. That doesnt make me better than anyone else, not in Gods eyes, not in my eyes. It just helps me feel that I am fulfilling my promise to accept Jesus and do Gods will. "In your country its a miracle when God does some mans will- In my country, its a miracle when some man does the will of God" - It doesnt matter what others think or belive, love them anyway, regardless,unconditionally and serve them. Again, thats how it works. And if you have a son or daughter who one day plays for someone who shares your passion...but worships Allah?
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 24, 2013 16:31:52 GMT -6
Allah is a word that has been used generically to name God. The difference between Christianity and the Muslim faith has to do with the holy trinity largely. I would think this would not be the first time our children had their faith challenged or the last.
If someone wants to pray to "joe six pack" as their God prior to a football game, Id hope my children could take my teaching of acceptance and tolerance and unconditional love into consideration and simply pray on their own for the team and for the guy who worships joe six pack.
I suppose that is one difference, some faiths are extremely intollerant and others preach acceptance and tolerance and thats it. where folks run into trouble is when they think they have to kill/behead anyone else who doesnt believe what they believe.
For me, faith is something that has to be very strong and unwavering in the most difficult of circumstances. Isnt that what Jesus was trying to show us? If you dont believe, thats fine, thats your business and something for you to explore, nobody can force that on someone else, but it is an expectation for Christians to teach and share. It is an expectation to live in Grace.
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Post by tyhpu10 on Jul 24, 2013 16:32:00 GMT -6
As a football coach, you want your guys to grow into good dads, good husbands, good citizens, good brothers, good employees. You can teach them the value of caring for the poor, the sick, the homeless. I cant see anything offensive about that anywhere. Nope..none. Also don't see ANY reason at all for the mention of Jesus, God, Christianity, Holy Spirit etc in doing the above task. They are mutually exclusive. Coach d- It seems as if you want people to tolerate you views but you don't want to tolerate theirs. I could be wrong, it just comes across that way. Freedom of religion, or lack of religion, should work for both sides but often one side gets the bad wrap.
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 24, 2013 16:35:39 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2013 16:37:41 GMT -6
Nope..none. Also don't see ANY reason at all for the mention of Jesus, God, Christianity, Holy Spirit etc in doing the above task. They are mutually exclusive. Coach d- It seems as if you want people to tolerate you views but you don't want to tolerate theirs. I could be wrong, it just comes across that way. Freedom of religion, or lack of religion, should work for both sides but often one side gets the bad wrap. Does one really need to explain the difference between tolerance and evangelism?
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Post by blb on Jul 24, 2013 16:39:58 GMT -6
2013, how does your avatar fit into your message in this thread?
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 24, 2013 16:41:26 GMT -6
What difference does that make- If I consider myself the idiot.
Do you think being Christian makes me perfect or makes me lack a sense of humor?
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