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Post by 33coach on Jul 21, 2013 9:39:34 GMT -6
im looking to turn this into an article / blog post. but i want to get some feedback on my situation.
I've been coaching since i was a junior in high-school (injury my jv year kept me from playing again). i have been a DC or assistant DC at both the HS and middle school level since then (i'm 23 now).
currently, im working on rebuilding a youth football league, as well as coaching the middle school aged team; im serving as the marketing/PR officer (CMO) and the USA Football Player Safety Coach (heads up football). the stress comes in, because i am constantly challenged by "dad" coaches and other people in the league because i am the youngest in the organization by at least 10-if-not-15 years, which makes my duties as player safety coach (basically reviewing practice plans, training, providing drills) to coaches insuring player safety....VERY DIFFICULT.
im not really used to this, as in the career world im pretty well respected as a Director of Web development at a large corporation, everyone under me is older, but the respect is shown both ways and there is no issue. and I have never gotten anything but kindness and respect in the clinic/online football world...
is this everywhere in the coaching football world? at what age does the glass ceiling break?
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Post by coachdoug on Jul 21, 2013 11:01:54 GMT -6
This is a tough one. I think it has less to do with age and more to do with people not wanting to accept that their way of doing things is outdated and needs to change. A few years ago (I was 44 at the time) I moved to Tucson (thankfully I was just there one season) and was named HC of the local Jr. Midget team. Almost immediately everything I was doing was being questioned. Despite almost 20 years of coaching experience and a pretty good track record, if I did anything that was different from what they were used to, I was criticized no matter what documentation I produced to support my actions. No one there had ever seen a dynamic warmup before and they actually disciplined me for not doing static stretching for 20 minutes as our warmup. I produced dozens of reports and quotes from college and NFL strength and conditioning guys showing that I was doing it correctly, but because there was one guy in the organization that had a cup of coffee in the NFL 20 years ago, and he said I was doing it wrong, they jumped all over me.
Ultimately, I think you have to demonstrate success within your current organization to get the Daddy Ballers to pay attention. Even then, expect to hear comments like, "Yeah, well, anyone could have won a championship with all the talent he had on that team." Daddy Ballers in particular, but even non-daddy coaches, tend to be an arrogant bunch that think they have all the answers and often take offense at anyone telling them that there is a better way to do things. How good is your relationship with your program's president? It will make a big difference if the president (or Athletic Director, or whoever the coaches report to and respect) delivers a message along the lines of, "Look guys, this new program is not just a PR stunt - this is coming down from the highest levels and, honestly, most good HS, college and NFL programs have been teaching it this way for over the past 10 years. It's time we caught up and started teaching things the same way. I get that this will be a bit of a change for some of you, and it will be uncomfortable for some of you, but you better get on board or you won't be coaching here anymore. 33coach is in charge of this program and what he says goes. I know he's young, but honestly guys, any of you could have volunteered for this position, but you didn't and he did - he's earned the position and your respect, so get on board with the program. He will be giving me regular updates on your compliance with this program and if you're not cooperating, you will be replaced. It's that simple."
Dealing with youth coaches can be a challenge. Good luck.
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Post by mahonz on Jul 21, 2013 14:17:21 GMT -6
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I am about 35 years your senior....coached football since 1983 mostly at the youth levels....have 12 Big Shiny Championship Trophies...7 Championship Rings...seen it all...heard it all...tried it all...ran it all.... and I still don't know $hit.
You will forever be questioned. My "advise"? Dont sweat it...in 3-5 short seasons most everyone you are "dealing" with right now will be gone. So...just do what you can as a student of the game and help those willing to get better. The smart ones will see that...the egomaniacs?. Well...who gives crap about them anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 14:21:26 GMT -6
im looking to turn this into an article / blog post. but i want to get some feedback on my situation. I've been coaching since i was a junior in high-school (injury my jv year kept me from playing again). i have been a DC or assistant DC at both the HS and middle school level since then (i'm 23 now). currently, im working on rebuilding a youth football league, as well as coaching the middle school aged team; im serving as the marketing/PR officer (CMO) and the USA Football Player Safety Coach (heads up football). the stress comes in, because i am constantly challenged by "dad" coaches and other people in the league because i am the youngest in the organization by at least 10-if-not-15 years, which makes my duties as player safety coach (basically reviewing practice plans, training, providing drills) to coaches insuring player safety....VERY DIFFICULT. im not really used to this, as in the career world im pretty well respected as a Director of Web development at a large corporation, everyone under me is older, but the respect is shown both ways and there is no issue. and I have never gotten anything but kindness and respect in the clinic/online football world... is this everywhere in the coaching football world? at what age does the glass ceiling break? if you are looking an atta boy while standing your ground, forget it. If you want friends just make everybody happy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 19:24:52 GMT -6
Ok lets see if it works this time.... 1st time was a thorough culmination of 19 years, as a coach, and the power went out ... round 2 was a cliff notes version and apprearenty i hit something that deleted everything
heres just some stuff Ive picked up over the years
1) You cant please everyone ... so dont try, its the fastest way to fail
2) Concern yourself with becoming a better coach yourself ... youll always have the critics standing behind you, find a quality mentor and focus on bettering yourself and dont pigeonhole yourself to beleiveing certain things arent for certain age group.. thats been disproven several hundred times over
3) Trees dont grow in hel(l) bad situations do exist, dont take it on the chin if its out of your control if its bad WALK!- I can tell you that 1st hand
4) Dont beleive the "its their win, its my loss" BS, its always their win, but if they can skirt the blame for a loss especially when it IS their fault, theyll gladly pass it on to you , and so will their parents, their friends, other coaches, etc... know when and when not to. Telling "johnny" he did good when he just refused his job isnt accomplishing anything .. Accountability
5) If you bring it home ... quit, leave the BS at the field
6) If it ever gets to the point where it seems more important than the ones you love... you need to stop
7)Develop a really thick skin... youre always going to suck, especially according to someone who never set foot on a field!
8)NEVER put aside the fundamentals... those are what win games, and trophies, block tackle, aviod dumb penalties
_Good luck coach
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Post by coachrobpsl on Jul 30, 2013 10:58:03 GMT -6
I think most coaches would have some level off resentment towards a position that goes over practice schedules, training, and what drills they run. That being said I often have seen some of our other teams practice and realize that some of those guys need help in those areas and they don't know it. Maybe the resentment is towards the position you hold and not your age.
You have about 6 or 7 years coaching experience and at least some of it is at a higher level than the coaches you are dealing with. Most daddy coaches have absolutely no idea what they are doing. Many will want to hide that fact. The way they will do that is to criticize everybody that isn't them. Those coaches need to be weeded out. From reading your post in the past I can tell you are light years ahead of those type of coaches. The guys that know what they are doing will see that very quickly and you will earn their respect. Don't worry about the others. They either fall in line or they gotta go. Who ever is your boss has to be very firm in his support for you. Some of the best youth coaches I have come across have been around your age or a little older. The fact that you are doing this without kids in the program(I am making an assumption there, sorry if I am wrong) speaks volumes to me. Most of the best youth coaching staffs have no kids on the team. As such, you have no ulterior motives.
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Post by 33coach on Jul 30, 2013 11:29:08 GMT -6
thank you for all the responses coaches, after reading the responses (and some heavy internal thought) i think I am putting more emphasis on age (or maybe more sensitive to it) then what might be there.
its true that the ones who are resisting my role are the ones who still teach ankle grab tackling, bull in the ring... (basically 1 step from the "No Water" days...)
so i think i just have to focus on my role, keeping the kids safe, working with parents, and making sure coaches are teaching proper technique no matter what they think of me personally. its about the kids.
thanks coaches!
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Post by coachphillip on Jul 30, 2013 12:06:23 GMT -6
so i think i just have to focus on my role, keeping the kids safe, working with parents, and making sure coaches are teaching proper technique no matter what they think of me personally. its about the kids. Dead on! Been coaching for 7 seasons and I'm only 24. When coaches who haven't worked with me see who the DC is, they balk. Just knuckle down and get to work. It's not so much your age so much as it's experience. The same way there are old, grizzled, battle tested soldiers the same is true of coaches. Once they see you on top of your stuff, they'll back off. Then, in five to ten years, you can stand in a circle with your AC's and your arms crossed wondering who the punk is that mandates what drills you run and approves of your practice plan.
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Post by davecisar on Aug 12, 2013 15:39:23 GMT -6
Do the VERY BEST job at whatever you are given QUALITY programs recognize hard work and competency
Ive started and ran 2 programs from scratch Age was no barrier for us Some of my best guys were young, open minded fellas like you
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