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Post by pirate1590 on Jul 18, 2013 16:27:53 GMT -6
Hey y'all. I am coaching an 8-10 year old team. Practice starts next week. I've been coaching for six years so I'm not a newbie to football but I have never coached kids this young. We are running the Cisar SW. I just finished watching film of my son's team(this age 2 years ago) and the passing game was absolutely putrid to watch. Tons of blown assignments, etc(on the other team). I have coached 2 years in 5th-6th, 2 years in 7th 8th and 2 as a volunteer at HS. But I like to throw the ball around a bit, not a lot but I was thinking 6 times a game. In the game I was watching team 1(other team) was 1-9 passing with 2 picks and a sack. Our team was 3-7 passing with 1 TD. I was just thinking at that age how often can you throw it and be effective? Right now we have 18 SW Pass, 16 Power Pass, Y backdoor (not Cisar) Post Pass(Reed) and a smoke screen and a PA pass off our jet Sweep package. I was thinking of adding a play or 2 passing plays late in the year..but now I may not. I want the kids to learn to throw the ball and all, but I'll take my chances running the ball if they cant do it. So my question would be, how many times you would throw it and how many passing plays is too much to have installed. We did fine at the 5/6 with 3 3 step, 3 PA pass, Now, bubble, 1 rollout play and 3 gun passes(different system). But im thinking 7-8 passing plays at that age would result in a lot of sacks/picks. What do you all think?
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Post by coachdoug on Jul 19, 2013 8:21:55 GMT -6
Kids of any age can throw the ball effectively if you know how to coach it - I think that has been proven time and again. However, most coaches don't really understand how to coach it, and it becomes a cluster. If you're a Cisar UBSW guy, then I think your plan for limited passing using play-action and calling the play when you see your defensive indicators telling you it will be open is a good plan.
Probably the single biggest thing with teaching young kids the passing game is making sure the QB gets the ball off on time. Most coaches will tell the QB something like, "Look for Johnny, but if he's not open, throw to the open guy," or "Your progression is Z to R to X to Y, and don't forget if they're blitzing, you will have Y hot on a shortened route." Either way, your QB is going to be confused and will hesitate and that will get him sacked or cause him to make mistakes. If you give your QB simple reads (e.g. watch the OLB - if he gets depth with the dig, throw the shallow, if he sits on the shallow, throw over him to the dig), and drill his footwork and pound into his head that certain decisions must be made by certain steps in his footwork, then you have a pretty good chance of getting the ball off without getting sacked and with the QB making the right decision to avoid INTs.
Last year (granted at the 8th grade level with an exceptional QB) we threw for about 2000 yds in 10 games, 29 TDs and 4 picks. Here is a cutup of some of what our offense looked like:
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Post by 33coach on Jul 21, 2013 9:49:13 GMT -6
Hey y'all. I am coaching an 8-10 year old team. Practice starts next week. I've been coaching for six years so I'm not a newbie to football but I have never coached kids this young. We are running the Cisar SW. I just finished watching film of my son's team(this age 2 years ago) and the passing game was absolutely putrid to watch. Tons of blown assignments, etc(on the other team). I have coached 2 years in 5th-6th, 2 years in 7th 8th and 2 as a volunteer at HS. But I like to throw the ball around a bit, not a lot but I was thinking 6 times a game. In the game I was watching team 1(other team) was 1-9 passing with 2 picks and a sack. Our team was 3-7 passing with 1 TD. I was just thinking at that age how often can you throw it and be effective? Right now we have 18 SW Pass, 16 Power Pass, Y backdoor (not Cisar) Post Pass(Reed) and a smoke screen and a PA pass off our jet Sweep package. I was thinking of adding a play or 2 passing plays late in the year..but now I may not. I want the kids to learn to throw the ball and all, but I'll take my chances running the ball if they cant do it. So my question would be, how many times you would throw it and how many passing plays is too much to have installed. We did fine at the 5/6 with 3 3 step, 3 PA pass, Now, bubble, 1 rollout play and 3 gun passes(different system). But im thinking 7-8 passing plays at that age would result in a lot of sacks/picks. What do you all think? coach here is my thoughts, when it comes to passing (and running at the youth level) less is more. we used to have a large pass package, then we decided to simplify down. we have: 4 drop back, and 3 PA. but here is the kicker.... all of the PA have the same routes (4 route flood) and all of the drop backs are based off of Shallow Cross. this allows us to teach a few routes, get good at them, and be done with it.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 21, 2013 11:55:37 GMT -6
Our best pass play when I was with Gr. 5-6 was an in-flat combo, QB would PA fake, and at a certain specific point in the footwork would have three steps to make a decision and throw the in. Otherwise he had 7 steps to decide whether to throw the flat, and then he would run. If anything went wrong at any point he ran.
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Post by rambler on Jul 21, 2013 18:15:57 GMT -6
I'd say at that age waggle and rollout (levels) are the two plays I'd pick, qb is out of the pocket and you have a run pass option.
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Post by davecisar on Aug 12, 2013 15:42:56 GMT -6
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My youth teams have thrown for 39 TD passes the last 3 years, age 7-9, 10-11 Altogether maybe 5 Ints
Playaction is the bomb
IF you are running some of the Spread Single WIng I run- of course the Smoke Screen, Go, Smoke/Go and Cross passes are great- BUT we never expand the playbook until we know what we have AND we are executing what we have in very well.
Last year at 7-9 we only threw 18 pass, 16 pass, 43 pass and SPinner 18 pass
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