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Jul 15, 2013 12:13:33 GMT -6
Post by passingame999 on Jul 15, 2013 12:13:33 GMT -6
Coaches,
I just took over a program and I am trying to implement tutors for the kids who need them to help them in the classroom. Has anyone ever done this? How? I am working with my principle but we are trying to investigate the best way to implement this into the program.
Please let me know. Trying to pull this thing out of the mud!
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Jul 16, 2013 8:21:09 GMT -6
Post by orion320 on Jul 16, 2013 8:21:09 GMT -6
My school implements a mandatory "study table" for those student athletes who are failing classes. For those football players who are receiving D's in classes we communicate with those teachers and have the student go to the teacher for extra help. We have used "team managers" as tutors and I open up my room for them to work in. Honestly, we don't have a problem with grades with Varsity players, mostly just the Freshman team.
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Jul 17, 2013 10:35:18 GMT -6
Post by cookiemonster on Jul 17, 2013 10:35:18 GMT -6
The hard part will be to get the teachers to be involved! We did it early morning and we were lucky with a few teachers agreeing to come in and help with Math and Science. It was unbelievable to see all the teachers who griped to us about the kids not working extra at home on their content area but would not be willing to committ to working extra for the kids!
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 17, 2013 12:28:32 GMT -6
The hard part will be to get the teachers to be involved! We did it early morning and we were lucky with a few teachers agreeing to come in and help with Math and Science. It was unbelievable to see all the teachers who griped to us about the kids not working extra at home on their content area but would not be willing to committ to working extra for the kids! On the flip side, if the kid doesn't do crap all day long in class and is failing, why should that teacher come in an hour or two early to help that kid play football? As a teacher, kids rarely fail classes because they just don't get it. Probably 90% of the time they're failing because they don't do homework, they don't pay attention or their pains in the butt in class. Why should you cater to that by creating something that's sole purpose is basically to make them eligible to play football?
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Jul 17, 2013 13:04:53 GMT -6
Post by fantom on Jul 17, 2013 13:04:53 GMT -6
The hard part will be to get the teachers to be involved! We did it early morning and we were lucky with a few teachers agreeing to come in and help with Math and Science. It was unbelievable to see all the teachers who griped to us about the kids not working extra at home on their content area but would not be willing to committ to working extra for the kids! On the flip side, if the kid doesn't do crap all day long in class and is failing, why should that teacher come in an hour or two early to help that kid play football? As a teacher, kids rarely fail classes because they just don't get it. Probably 90% of the time they're failing because they don't do homework, they don't pay attention or their pains in the butt in class. Why should you cater to that by creating something that's sole purpose is basically to make them eligible to play football? I agree completely. Why should anybody expect teachers to volunteer to come in at 6 AM to work with kids who are probably there because they didn't do what they were supposed to do?
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Post by passingame999 on Jul 17, 2013 14:07:06 GMT -6
There are quite a few who dont do crap cause they dont understand. We have a few kids who are really trying to raise grades to get into 4 yr colleges and their biggest problem is english. One kid got 610 math and crapped the bed in writing and reading. I am betting they have no idea about structure and function of both.
Thats for inside the box usual garbage. Reaffirms my purpose cause for every one coach like me there is two of you. Makes my job that much more important.
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Jul 17, 2013 14:10:49 GMT -6
Post by larrymoe on Jul 17, 2013 14:10:49 GMT -6
There are quite a few who dont do crap cause they dont understand. We have a few kids who are really trying to raise grades to get into 4 yr colleges and their biggest problem is english. One kid got 610 math and crapped the bed in writing and reading. I am betting they have no idea about structure and function of both. Thats for inside the box usual garbage. Reaffirms my purpose cause for every one coach like me there is two of you. Makes my job that much more important. Yes. Because at no point in their lives have they ever been taught that information. They need to get it at 6am. No teacher has ever presented them with that. Damn those lazy ass teachers!
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Jul 17, 2013 22:24:29 GMT -6
Post by fantom on Jul 17, 2013 22:24:29 GMT -6
There are quite a few who dont do crap cause they dont understand. We have a few kids who are really trying to raise grades to get into 4 yr colleges and their biggest problem is english. One kid got 610 math and crapped the bed in writing and reading. I am betting they have no idea about structure and function of both. Thats for inside the box usual garbage. Reaffirms my purpose cause for every one coach like me there is two of you. Makes my job that much more important. Yeah, I'm just another jackbird coasting to a paycheck.
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Jul 17, 2013 22:45:03 GMT -6
Post by fantom on Jul 17, 2013 22:45:03 GMT -6
There are quite a few who dont do crap cause they dont understand. We have a few kids who are really trying to raise grades to get into 4 yr colleges and their biggest problem is english. One kid got 610 math and crapped the bed in writing and reading. I am betting they have no idea about structure and function of both. Thats for inside the box usual garbage. Reaffirms my purpose cause for every one coach like me there is two of you. Makes my job that much more important. BTW, if you'll get off of your high horse for a minute you'll realize that you're not the only person in the school who cares about kids. If this is the attitude you're giving teachers, the ones who you're asking to come in early to help you, maybe there's a reason that people don't like cooperating with you.
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Jul 18, 2013 5:21:11 GMT -6
Post by blb on Jul 18, 2013 5:21:11 GMT -6
999, it's "principal" (not "principle") and "English" (capitalized).
Make sure you find someone other than yourself to tutor the latter.
Our school has NHS kids that tutor. And I've known very few teachers who wouldn't give kids help if they come in and ask for it.
We have also done Pre-Practice study table for Freshmen because that's when most issues occur.
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Post by passingame999 on Jul 19, 2013 4:39:07 GMT -6
No high horse. Just facts. Cynics will always blame something other than themselves, and most of the time its kids. Kids are lazy, kids dont want to do this or that, etc..
There are things called inspiration and motivation.
Cynical coaches, which i have come across so many of, lack both. Kids are there to serve the sensationalized sports dream of coaches and blah blah blah. Garbage! How about changing lives?
LAKELAND FLORIDA. Thats a program the truly grows men. Not just football players. Dig into that program. You'll see what i am talking about.
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Jul 19, 2013 5:09:35 GMT -6
Post by blb on Jul 19, 2013 5:09:35 GMT -6
No high horse. Just facts. Cynics will always blame something other than themselves, and most of the time its kids. Kids are lazy, kids dont want to do this or that, etc.. There are things called inspiration and motivation. Cynical coaches, which i have come across so many of, lack both. Kids are there to serve the sensationalized sports dream of coaches and blah blah blah. Garbage! How about changing lives? LAKELAND FLORIDA. Thats a program the truly grows men. Not just football players. Dig into that program. You'll see what i am talking about. Wasn't your idea of "inspiration and motivation" in an earlier post to pay students and parents to get better grades?
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Post by passingame999 on Jul 19, 2013 5:33:56 GMT -6
Yea. It was philosophical more than anything. Idealistic motivation. Ain't happening but id love to see it sustained and country wide. I saw the freakonomics experiment but it only lasted for a year. Show me a ten year experiment and one that pays parents not just kids and ill show you a paradigm shift.
Did you do your homework on my posts? Or where you in the discussion?
I would argue motivation or ability to motivate is the single most important characteristic a coach can have. And not just kids. Parents, other coaches, faculty, etc.
Additionally, poor communication, can elicit motivation in the opposite direction. Seen that happen also.
I apologize for what seems to be arrogance. I am just an advocate for kids. We get kids at 13/14 yrs old. Their personality is still influenceable. At about 16, its pretty much set. This is from a psychologist not my theories. So that gives us a short time to alter the path, build character, and change a life. It makes me upset when i have seen other coaches just sit back and watch character crumble. Will always happen but still. Its a detriment to society.
I dont give a crap how many wins we get. Talent + coaching = wins. All sports is tic tac toe. If my x's are bigger stronger and faster than your o's an knowledge is equal, im going to blow your doors off. However, it doesn't matter how much talent or coaching we have, we can always change lives. Always!
Just my humble opinion.
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Jul 19, 2013 6:10:39 GMT -6
Post by fballcoachg on Jul 19, 2013 6:10:39 GMT -6
Well most teachers I know who tutor do so after school.
Let your kids go then and miss practice, that would be real outside the box thinking.
For someone throwing around the "blame the kids" as a guilt trip you are really quick to point the finger at everyone else as well. If football has taught me one thing it is self responsibility, clearly that is not a top priority for you, it is telling teachers how to do their jobs and if they don't agree to give up additional time then they don't care about the kids.
I like the idea of tutoring but I am not going to bash a teacher who has 180 students and a family for not coming in first thing in the morning especially when they tell me that the same football player who says "I don't get it" is one that was sleeping, messing around, or refusing to do work.
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Education is a service, not a job. The idea that people should get paid to do something that benefits them and opens opportunities for the long term is asinine at best and as I discussed in the other thread, has been attempted and has not worked because it is a novelty.
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Post by passingame999 on Jul 19, 2013 6:40:53 GMT -6
Wait. What? A. Never said anything about teachers. Teachers are great. I am a teacher.
B. self responsibility -Thanks for backing up my argument. Keyword there was taught. So you didnt have it coming in. And someone taught it to you.
C. So my blame the kids point struck a nerve. All im saying is If the shoe fits where it. If kids acted like adults we wouldnt call them kids, we'd call them adults. They need adults to teach work ethic and probably 20 other characteristics to help them survive football and life. There is that word again, teach.
Ps - Tutoring is 6-7pm - after practice.
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Jul 19, 2013 9:27:16 GMT -6
Post by larrymoe on Jul 19, 2013 9:27:16 GMT -6
No high horse. Just facts. Cynics will always blame something other than themselves, and most of the time its kids. Kids are lazy, kids dont want to do this or that, etc.. There are things called inspiration and motivation. Cynical coaches, which i have come across so many of, lack both. Kids are there to serve the sensationalized sports dream of coaches and blah blah blah. Garbage! How about changing lives? LAKELAND FLORIDA. Thats a program the truly grows men. Not just football players. Dig into that program. You'll see what i am talking about. Yes. I blame a kid if HIS grades are not good. Who else is to blame? Kids are not here to serve any dream of mine. Frankly, I don't care if they play the game or not. That is their choice that I trust them, as an adult, to make. However, if they are going to play the game, THEY need to take care of their business in the classroom. That doesn't involve me setting up tutoring times for them to relearn information they have already been taught. That doesn't involve me asking teachers to come in during their evenings with their families to reteach the same things they just spent all day teaching so that some kid can play a game. Want to grow men? Treat them like men. They either take care of business on their own or they don't play the game. How are you growing a man when you cater to them as a child?
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Jul 19, 2013 9:37:36 GMT -6
Post by fantom on Jul 19, 2013 9:37:36 GMT -6
Yea. It was philosophical more than anything. Idealistic motivation. Ain't happening but id love to see it sustained and country wide. I saw the freakonomics experiment but it only lasted for a year. Show me a ten year experiment and one that pays parents not just kids and ill show you a paradigm shift. Did you do your homework on my posts? Or where you in the discussion? I would argue motivation or ability to motivate is the single most important characteristic a coach can have. And not just kids. Parents, other coaches, faculty, etc. Additionally, poor communication, can elicit motivation in the opposite direction. Seen that happen also. So, what are you planning to do about your inability to motivate people to tutor the kids?
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Jul 19, 2013 10:09:33 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Jul 19, 2013 10:09:33 GMT -6
Once football season is over, I start out coming in an hour early and staying late to help the struggling kids. I do this fit a few reasons:
1. I obviously want to help them learn and that extra time does pay off. However, the kids with the sh-tty grades rarely come in for help; it's the kids that want to bump their scores from Bs to As that show up. I've even done academic detention where anyone with a D or below is required to come in. That lasted until some idiot parent told the school board that her kid wouldn't need help if I did my job during the day. Her boy missed 17 days of school in a semester and its my fault he has a 35%. So, I said the hell with it; come on if you want but stop whining at me.
2. You almost have to offer the extra time for the kids if you want to hold on to your job these days. It's all in our shoulders, remember? We're the reason the kids are failing and that SAT scores are at a 41 year low. You'd better make yourself availabe before and after school regardless of whether or not the kids come in because you'll get your ass in a sling for not doing so in some schools.
Several years ago, I had a bunch of kids failing my Algebra 2 class so I offered extra credit tutor sessions for them before school. Basically, you show up, we work through problems and you get extra points. I had about ten kids show up; all were passing with flying colors and two are in Ivy League schools. Did the kids that were bombing show up? Absolutely not. Did they fail the class? Of course they did. Their laziness shined through and they bombed miserably.
But, again, it's all my fault anyway so I shouldn't bitch.
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Post by fantom on Jul 19, 2013 10:45:34 GMT -6
Ps - Tutoring is 6-7pm - after practice. If you're having trouble finding teachers to help you, there's your problem. Both cookiemonster, who wants to do tutoring before school, and you are asking people to work on YOUR schedule. You need to remember that YOU are asking THEM for a favor. I've never taught at a school where there weren't teachers who were willing to stay after school one or two times a week for tutoring. Coming in before school? A lot of people can't because they have kids to get to school. Some just don't want to wake up that early. That doesn't make them lazy, it makes them humans with lives of their own. Remember, YOU are asking THEM for a favor. 6-7 PM? What do you expect the teachers to do, hang around the school until practice is over or go home and come back? Again, these people have lives. They have kids of their own. They have dinner to make and eat. Remember, YOU are asking THEM for a favor. What are you doing to accommodate them? Last year was our first coaching at this school and we made a mistake. We started practice right after school and we had a lot of kids who were late for practice to attend tutoring (no shortage of teachers who want to help here). What were we supposed to do, ask the teachers to hold up their tutoring sessions until after practice? No, this year we'll start practice at 4:15 (school's out at 3:10). Successful coaching requires self-evaluation and adjustment. If what you're doing isn't working the first place to look is at yourself and what you're doing. You may need to make adjustments. One thing I'd suggest is that you stop talking like Saint Passinggame in the den of heathens. It rubs people the wrong way.
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Jul 19, 2013 13:41:24 GMT -6
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Post by fballcoachg on Jul 19, 2013 13:41:24 GMT -6
Wait. What? A. Never said anything about teachers. Teachers are great. I am a teacher. B. self responsibility -Thanks for backing up my argument. Keyword there was taught. So you didnt have it coming in. And someone taught it to you. C. So my blame the kids point struck a nerve. All im saying is If the shoe fits where it. If kids acted like adults we wouldnt call them kids, we'd call them adults. They need adults to teach work ethic and probably 20 other characteristics to help them survive football and life. There is that word again, teach. Ps - Tutoring is 6-7pm - after practice. Part of teaching responsibility is allowing people to have consequences, sometimes failure is a consequence that needs to be taught. I highly doubt you'll find many people on here who aren't in this profession for the kids and who haven't gone above and beyond time and time again. People's onjections to your posts are the generalizations that if they don't agree with your plan/viewpoint they just blame the kids and aren't there for them. Crazy assertion and a huge leap based off of a difference of opinion. But clearly you have all of educations ills as well as all teachers and coaches figured out. Thing is, like 99.999999% of us you seem to care about the kids succeeding in all facets but unlike most you seem to blame all others for their failures. Good luck in your endeavors, for what it's worth, I'd look in to restructuring your tutoring opportunities to right after school, you'll find many more willing people and the numbers that fit your definition of caring about kids will grow exponentially.
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Jul 19, 2013 14:14:43 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 14:14:43 GMT -6
Where is the motivation for the kid to do his homework when he should? Where is the motivation for kids to pay attention in class? At the end of the day the teacher can rah rah it all day long every day of the school year, The parents can lecture everyday for 18 years. But when it is all said and done it is up to the individual to do the self motivation. Education is so dumbed down now a days that it is silly to be getting a D or F in any class.
On no level is paying students going to work. If you want teachers to come in after hrs, give them a stipend. But I would hold on to the idea the local school board will help you with that.
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Jul 19, 2013 15:33:45 GMT -6
Post by blb on Jul 19, 2013 15:33:45 GMT -6
It is very difficult, even for the most dedicated teachers at HS level, to do (or undo) in a 55 minute class period five days a week for a semester or even two what was not done the previous 14 years or so.
And I'm talking about parenting (or lack thereof) now, not K-8 teachers.
Same for coaches.
Although most of us try, and got into this business not for the recognition of having a hat on our head, whistle around our neck, and calling plays on game night.
Or for the about $1.37 an hour most of us make.
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Jul 19, 2013 21:47:54 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Jul 19, 2013 21:47:54 GMT -6
Here's an aside to those who say that teachers aren't taking responsibility and "blaming the kids".
I'm a teacher and a parent to a 15 year old stepson. It came to our attention that the boy was bombing English so I went in and got all of his missing work, sorted it, forked it over to him and turned him loose. It was all pretty simple work; the most difficult was a two page essay. He had the night to work on all of it: his teacher was willing to take it all late. He barricaded himself in his room and I popped in a few times and he was working on the assignments.
Well, long story short, he didnt work hard enough. He did about half of it and what he did finish was crap. So, he failed the class and has spent his summer in credit recovery.
So, a parent/teacher/coach took a proactive role in his stepson's learning yet the boy chose not to work. He just had to do the bare minimum and he would have gotten out with a C- but he made the choice to be lazy. This was the story, time and time again with him for a few years; my wife and I were all over him about his school work, helped him constantly , punished him for being lazy yet he still got crap marks in school because he didnt work at it.
As a teacher, I see this very same scenario play out year in and year out with the kids that fail my class. Everyone, myself included, goes the extra mile for the kids that are failing yet they would rather sit on their a$$es. In the end, it's a futile effort because the "consequence" of failing doesn't mean much to the students who bomb my classes.
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Jul 20, 2013 20:02:17 GMT -6
Post by cookiemonster on Jul 20, 2013 20:02:17 GMT -6
LarryMoe, you talk like showing interest in a kid through something they are interested in is a bad motivational tool! If you are truely interested in kids you will do what is needed to help make them successful! Some wont drink the water but I damn sure am going to be leading them to it! Let me guess your not interested in coming early to help the kids! Oh and we also stay late so they can get an extra lift in! Sounds like a well spoken guy who has found a way to justify to himself why he wont spend the extra time helping his players!
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Jul 20, 2013 21:23:42 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 21:23:42 GMT -6
LarryMoe, you talk like showing interest in a kid through something they are interested in is a bad motivational tool! If you are truely interested in kids you will do what is needed to help make them successful! Some wont drink the water but I {censored} sure am going to be leading them to it! Let me guess your not interested in coming early to help the kids! Oh and we also stay late so they can get an extra lift in! Sounds like a well spoken guy who has found a way to justify to himself why he wont spend the extra time helping his players! The reason the kid needs help is the same reason it is tough to expect teachers spend their off hrs to help now figure it out. Their is no reason for the kid to need help after hrs if he is taking care of business during hrs. the kid isn't getting a d or an f for doing homework, paying attention class, showing up for class, turning in assignments on time, ect..ect...ect... In this day and age it is much simpler to give a kid a c just to show up than go through the process of explaining why I as a teacher gave some kid an F. It is on the student to keep his house cleaned up and do what he knows to do, not his teachers or even his parent. And his parent are more responsible than any teacher.
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Jul 20, 2013 22:21:42 GMT -6
Post by fantom on Jul 20, 2013 22:21:42 GMT -6
LarryMoe, you talk like showing interest in a kid through something they are interested in is a bad motivational tool! If you are truely interested in kids you will do what is needed to help make them successful! Some wont drink the water but I {censored} sure am going to be leading them to it! Let me guess your not interested in coming early to help the kids! Oh and we also stay late so they can get an extra lift in! Sounds like a well spoken guy who has found a way to justify to himself why he wont spend the extra time helping his players! I'm not coming early either.If you're asking me for help, it'll be at my convenience.
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Jul 21, 2013 12:24:31 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Jul 21, 2013 12:24:31 GMT -6
Some of it comes down to making your life easier as a teacher.
My class is set up so that the students can get everything accomplished between the bells. They very rarely have homework and that's usually just skill work (we do the story problems in class) that shouldn't take them more than ten to twenty minutes to finish at home.
My grading scale is weighted heavily on tests and quizzes: but the students are allowed to use notes, homework assignments and anything else given in class on the assessments. AND, they get to correct their mistakes for half credit.
So, everything from the first warm up problem of the year to the last question on the final is a learning opportunity. The kids, parents, administration (etc) can't say that the student doesn't have the chance to learn in my class. They sure as h-ll don't have an excuse for failing.
And, on top of that, I'll stay after or show to early AS LONG AS KIDS SHOW. I worked in a school where the administration was p-ssed as hell at me for not staying after school for kids. I told him that I offered to help the kids after school whenever they asked for help but that I expected them to be in my room no later than ten minutes after the last bell. It was a private school where our whole contracted day was teaching; we taught straight from 8-4pm. So, I left if the kids weren't there by 4:10pm, I left. I was always a half hour early in the morning and told them they could come in then.
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Jul 21, 2013 12:54:03 GMT -6
Post by newhope on Jul 21, 2013 12:54:03 GMT -6
There are always teachers who offer tutoring or extra help on a schedule they set--not one you set. For tutoring at other times, there are always players on the team who are capable and willing to tutor. Sorry, it's not that hard to set up.
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Jul 21, 2013 14:14:54 GMT -6
Post by larrymoe on Jul 21, 2013 14:14:54 GMT -6
LarryMoe, you talk like showing interest in a kid through something they are interested in is a bad motivational tool! If you are truely interested in kids you will do what is needed to help make them successful! Some wont drink the water but I {censored} sure am going to be leading them to it! Let me guess your not interested in coming early to help the kids! Oh and we also stay late so they can get an extra lift in! Sounds like a well spoken guy who has found a way to justify to himself why he wont spend the extra time helping his players! Yep. You sure nailed me there. (Insert rolling eyes here)
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Post by lions23 on Jul 21, 2013 15:56:13 GMT -6
One of the best things we do is our tutoring program. We work in a rough area with many challenges. We decided eligibility would no longer be an issue and we would get kids ready for college who wanted to go. It was one of the biggest reasons my boss got hired.
We get huge returns in terms of community excitement, keeping kids and parents on board, and school support. However none of that happens when we begin. Everyone is skeptical but usually the principals say give it a shot because there is no risk for them.
Here is what we do. We make it as easy as possible for everyone else except the coaching staff. We have to go home late not the teachers. First, all coaches and all players are at mandatory study tables after school. Student athletes right? We study first. Kids come in just like its an extra class 5 minutes after school. Kids can work with each other on homework or find a coach who can help if they need it. The kids are expected to work. We walk around and talk to them about what they are doing and their classes. Our HC has a grade report and asks teachers to inform him of issues. He does intervention type one on ones with kids we are concerned about. He will go get their work if it is missing or sends students to conferences with teachers. Teachers don't have to come to us. If there is a major issue like a kid who hasn't turned in anything for a week we have desks for the field. They don't practice and we have a rule about missing practice =missing a quarter. It usually only happens once a year.
It does amazing things for relationships around the building with our kids and teachers with our staff an teachers and our staff and parents. The admins absolutely love it. Our kids will immediately do better in classes because they are doing work every night. They become more confident and see success=commitment and work. Teachers have less kids to chase for work and if there is an issue they can find us or the kid after school.
As far as issues with teachers getting on board after they say the change and all the football kids taking books to study hall, they begin to volunteer. We didn't have a math teacher in staff. One if the math teachers said we could send him small groups after school. He just wanted to be in his class in case other students were in need of help. He wanted to remain accessible. Fair enough. We send him the kids and he sends us back an email with the kids who attended so we know the kids didn't ditch. A special Ed teacher began doing the same thing with some of our kids who needed extra support
I think you have to be the one that serves the needs of others and they will get on board. Everyone benefits including the football team. The admins and media eat it up. After 3 years our kids have become academically and athletically successful. Colleges are spending more time evaluating and stopping by because our kids are athletic and they are qualifying. Our HC invites them to come in during study tables. They can eyeball all the kids they are interested in and the whole team sees them which is always a motivation. Last year 11 kids got accepted to D1 D 2 and NAIA schools. Parents love it the most. They see the kids doing well and if the aren't they know they have a staff that will help not just talk. Most of all our kids will take anything from us because they know we have their best interest in mind. We help take care of their academic concerns. It's a good opportunity to just talk to the kids and get to know them. Sometimes we fin out other issues they need help with. No food at home, brothers in jail, mom lost her job, even kids who don't have a home. Sometimes we can find help for some of these issues because we publicize the study tables. We can go to somebody in the community and ask them to take a family grocery shopping and they oblige and say yea I saw the news about how hard your kids work in class. Rarely do they even mention the success on the field. In the end the kids know that we care and then it is easier to ask them to run forties.
I could write forever about this. We have gotten better over the years about implementing structure to our study tables.
Fantom if you would like to talk about our program PM me and I would be willing to talk on the phone. It's a big part of our success and I believe the best thing we do for our kids future success as men.
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