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Post by coachk98 on Jul 12, 2013 7:26:23 GMT -6
Does any one NOT do OTAs, 7 on 7, gym practice, spring practice, etc and
just have the team show up day 1 of summer practice ?
AND keep their job ?
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Post by fcboiler87 on Jul 12, 2013 18:42:55 GMT -6
There is a program in our conference that only lifts all summer. 3 days a week and that's it. They start practice in August. They have been very successful over the past several years. They have a simple power run scheme and don't worry about 7 on 7 or anything else. I don't know if I could do it but they sure make it work.
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Post by footballscout on Jul 12, 2013 20:38:57 GMT -6
The school that I played for has about 35-40 kids a year on the varsity team. Usually about 3-5 kids lift throughout the summer, and that is the extent of it. Coach has had the job for a while and will have it until he decides he doesn't want it. Team wins the conference and makes the playoffs every year, in large part because the entire football culture in that area is much the same.
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Post by coachk98 on Jul 13, 2013 12:30:02 GMT -6
Considering the battle for baseball, basketball, lacrosse and wrestling athletes would it be possible to win with the best possible athletes who wouldn, t be pressured to make a choice between sports ? In the old days when I was a lad we played 3 sports, didnt do any off season work, but loved the sport we played in season .
We have a team in our area that have an all state lacrosse team year in year out. They also have not missed the post season in football in over 25 years with doing little team practice in the off season. Should they be the norm not the other way around ?
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Post by coachk98 on Jul 13, 2013 12:30:13 GMT -6
Considering the battle for baseball, basketball, lacrosse and wrestling athletes would it be possible to win with the best possible athletes who wouldn, t be pressured to make a choice between sports ? In the old days when I was a lad we played 3 sports, didnt do any off season work, but loved the sport we played in season .
We have a team in our area that have an all state lacrosse team year in year out. They also have not missed the post season in football in over 25 years with doing little team practice in the off season. Should they be the norm not the other way around ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 13:11:00 GMT -6
At the school I was at, they have the kids in weightlifting class and "mandatory" spring practice during the school year, but in the summer they don't do anything besides lift 3 days a week until it's time for practices to start in mid July.
Our state has some mandatory dead periods in there that don't even allow contact between players and coaches, but the lack of 7 on 7 or OTAs is mostly due to our HC feeling they're wastes of time and money. He runs a passing offense. In past years, when he ran the Wing-T, he'd take the whole team to Wing-T camp and stuff, but that was expensive and he had issues with kids skipping it for vacation and stuff.
The HC has been there 30 years with a record right at .500 and this is what he's decided from experience. All the starting backs and receivers play basketball and either run track or play baseball in the spring so that helps keep them in shape in the offseason. Almost all of them are in the weightlifting class during the school year, too.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 13, 2013 15:13:04 GMT -6
We do not do 7 on 7 at all. We do not do a spring game or pre-season game. We only workout twice a week during the summer. If you are out of town, you are excused from that workout. We have no minimum number to make, but if you are in town you have to be there.
We do workout twice a week all year though. Everybody workouts in-season and off-season. We have great summer participation and most of our players make up the workouts they miss although they are not required to do so. We do spring training, but I don't worry too much about it. We could have had 15 practices but only went 8.
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Post by fantom on Jul 13, 2013 15:17:26 GMT -6
Does any one NOT do OTAs, 7 on 7, gym practice, spring practice, etc and just have the team show up day 1 of summer practice ? AND keep their job ? Unfortunately the key question is the second one. Except for weights and conditioning I'm not sure how valuable the offseason stuff is. If you don't do it, though, you'd better win and win big. |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 13, 2013 16:44:12 GMT -6
Does any one NOT do OTAs, 7 on 7, gym practice, spring practice, etc and just have the team show up day 1 of summer practice ? AND keep their job ? Unfortunately the key question is the second one. Except for weights and conditioning I'm not sure how valuable the offseason stuff is. If you don't do it, though, you'd better win and win big. We are winning big. And I do not believe in keeping up ith Joneses. If you think it will help your team win, do it. Otherwise, don't. And don't forget about the law of diminishing returns and burnout and rest. This goes for your players, your coaches, and yourself. I am a minimilist through and through. |
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 13, 2013 17:00:22 GMT -6
I have considered 2 lifts a week. we do 4 a week right now.
I dont know, I guess I wonder if it would just be better FOR ME to just have to do two lifts.
I think too that with only two lifts, maybe more kids would commit?
In any case, we cant "practice" until mid Aug. I dont like 7 on 7 so we dont do it.
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Post by jg78 on Jul 14, 2013 9:50:02 GMT -6
Does any one NOT do OTAs, 7 on 7, gym practice, spring practice, etc and just have the team show up day 1 of summer practice ? AND keep their job ? At the end of the day, I think it's mostly about results. If you are meeting expectations and winning with the way you are doing things, you can probably get by with whatever methods you are using. However, if you are not, people will probably say that you are not doing something right or enough - whether that's the true reason for average/poor results or not. |
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Post by orion320 on Jul 14, 2013 15:52:49 GMT -6
I have never seen a school do absolutely nothing but some schools do more than others. My school has done it both ways.
2012 - We lifted Monday, Wednesday, Friday and had an additional Offensive Camp every Tuesday and every other Thursday in June. In July we went from 8- 11 Monday through Friday. In August we went from 8am - 1pm until school started (6 days). Sadly I felt that our kids were a bit burned out by the time the season started. We peaked week 3 or 4 then struggled to get in the playoffs.
2013 - A new coach and a new system. We've done nothing in June other than lift and throwing the ball to receivers running routes. We started camp on July 8, 2 hours M, T, Th, F, with a 1 hour lift afterwards. The kids are enthusiastic and work their butts off since the know we have limited time to get ready for the season. We are only doing 2 7 on 7s and a lineman challenge.
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Post by mrjvi on Jul 17, 2013 13:19:43 GMT -6
I am a minimalist like Silky. We do have a well attended 4 day full contact football camp right after school gets out. It is 2 1/2 hours each day. Then just strength and conditioning in the summer-15 workouts made is the goal. No 7 on 7 or anything like that. We win more than we lose but not always super dominant. Almost always over 500. playoffs most years. 16 years at this school. I absolutely expect 100% dedication while they are there but want them to have a life. Plus with workouts in the morning they can do baseball, basketball, lacrosse, etc. at night. Averaging 25 kids per morning of the 4 mornings available. 35 varsity have been there at least once. I've got plenty to do on my farm (smallish) so it's a win-win.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 22, 2013 6:51:11 GMT -6
Does any one NOT do OTAs, 7 on 7, gym practice, spring practice, etc and just have the team show up day 1 of summer practice ? AND keep their job ? Unfortunately the key question is the second one. Except for weights and conditioning I'm not sure how valuable the offseason stuff is. If you don't do it, though, you'd better win and win big. In my neck of the woods there are teams that do stuff all year long and are successful. There are teams that do little/the minimum and are successful. Of course the definition of success is different in everyone's book. The big picture is not 'keeping up with Jones', but the perception of Home Team in relation to said Jones. If the home fans are happy with level of work in the off season in terms how that translates the success of the season, then sure cut back as much as possible and go fishing. HOWEVER....... If the homers think that the reason you lost a game, gave up too points, don't pass the ball enough, had too many turn overs, etc... Is tied to your off season program, then you have a different equation. There is a successful team around here that has caught some flack recently because it didnt lift on Fridays. WTF you say? Yep, they did their summer work MTWTh. How did this come about? Word got around that team X beats team Y because team Y takes Fridays off. Mostly because of fans passing information back and forth. |
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Post by holmesbend on Jul 22, 2013 7:06:45 GMT -6
We do not do 7 on 7 at all. We do not do a spring game or pre-season game. We only workout twice a week during the summer. If you are out of town, you are excused from that workout. We have no minimum number to make, but if you are in town you have to be there. We do workout twice a week all year though. Everybody workouts in-season and off-season. We have great summer participation and most of our players make up the workouts they miss although they are not required to do so. We do spring training, but I don't worry too much about it. We could have had 15 practices but only went 8. Same here, except we do 7v7 for the main reasons of 1) It's competition (our kids like it, and I do myself) and, 2) to go along with that, it's really the only time we get great looks from a defensive standpoint for our coverages. We just do two weeks of it, in July, though...Tues, Thurs and two Sat. tourneys. Everything else, though, the same. We do two days a week from the 1st week of January-last week of June. Our older kids lift everyday, as we have it in class (athletes only and mostly football players, taught by our football Head S & C guy). We have Spring Practice here in KY, but since we can't include our incoming freshmen into practice just yet & so many kids playing baseball (all 9 of our starters in baseball this year were football kids) & track, it just doesn't do anything for us. |
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