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Post by brophy on Oct 22, 2006 7:16:11 GMT -6
A friend of mine is exploring coaching, and rather than hearing from me (and my bias), I was wondering if you could tell me...
How you got started?
What qualifications you needed to meet?
How you feel about your coaching experience?
Pay?
If you can go into more depth that would be great.
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Post by khalfie on Oct 22, 2006 8:31:38 GMT -6
How you got started?Was coaching a flag football team for a Boys and Girls Club... we did pretty well, and a parent suggested I look into the area youth football league... being that I thought I knew everything about football... I jumped on it... 2 years in... I figured I'd be a great High School coach... so I interviewed at a down and out, far away school, and to my surprise, they hired me... Needless to say, I was horrible, got it handed to me for 9 straight weeks, but from that point on, I was dedicated to learning all the things it was quite obvious, I didn't know. Unfortunately, I had to leave the school, the distance was entirely too far, my knowledge to small, and I was a being a disservice to those kids... So I left to get some experience. Was an assistant for two years... got my confidence right, and then went out and interviewed for another HC gig. Once again, I surprisingly got the gig... either I'm a heck of an interview, or the only candidate... either way, I got it handed to me again for another 9 straight weeks... But this time, I was ready to get the offseason program started, the weightlifting, the camps, but my wife started her Law office, and I needed to be closer than the 50 miles I had to drive to my school... for my 3 children... so I had to leave again! Local school needed assistants, so I became an assistant to take care of my football jones... also tightened my game up. I'm currently looking to get that third strike... a coaching gig a little closer... there are a few desparate programs in a 20 mile radius... if it doesn't work out this time... I think I may just have to become a career assistant... However, in my defense, I have to taken over some very challenging programs. Its a tough deal to get a look, when you are not in the school system... More so, with my 0-18 HC record... I've really got to find a desparate place, to get a look, but yet and still, I truly believe I can turn around any program... there's no better teacher, than bad experiences, and my football IQ, is at an all time high! Just hope I haven't ruined myself with the 0-18 education. What qualifications you needed to meet?For the youth league, you just had to pass a criminal background check, and their interview process... however, in Illinois, if you are not a teacher, you have to get a coaching certification... Its a two weekend course that goes over CPR and First Aid, as well as the importance of professionalism when one is responsible for youth. How you feel about your coaching experience?It has been the most frustrating, yet rewarding experience in my life... 1. You are responsible for maturing boys to men, that aren't your children. 2. These boys have a multitude of other influences dictating their motivations and actions. 3. When these boys become men, its the greatest thing to witness... 4. When these boys fail to become men, it will break your heart 100 times over... again, and again. 5. Football is the easy part... parents, players, and potential will kill you! Pay?What's that? If you break your time down by the hours invested... the pay is inconsequential... but if you're in it for the money... don't get in it... Youth, of course is volunteer. In Illinois, coaches get paid a percentage of their teacher's stipend... and if you are not a teacher, such as myself, they give you a percentage comprable to that of a teacher similar to the number of years you've been with the program. THe percentage decreases according to the level you are coaching, and whether you are a head or assistant coach.
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Post by dacoachmo on Oct 22, 2006 14:20:45 GMT -6
what is the name opf the course for NON-TEACHERS in IL???
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 22, 2006 15:13:14 GMT -6
Got started in college as we all had to help coach with the local pee-wee program. First official coaching job was during student teaching (assistant Freshman coach) and just kept going from there. Spent 4 years as a HS assistant before getting my first head job at a small school in the middle of nowhere.
Moved a bit to big school assistant, mid sized HS head coach, NAIA OC, D-III OC, before returning to HS (16 years experience at this point) as an AD/HC for the past 10 years. "Coaching" pay has varied - often tied to your teaching job.
The most important skills you need include people skills, recognizing talent (players and coaches!), and then the x's and o's.
How do I feel about it? I'm 49 and I could have "retired" by now if I had gone into my dad's construction business. I'm going to coach for another 20 years - because I love it!
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Post by coachroberts99 on Oct 23, 2006 3:59:56 GMT -6
Well much more humble settings. Played University level over here in the UK (which is how most of us start) and on graduating, offered to help out with the D-Line as I played DE. Anyway through lack of coaches more than anything I became DC within a couple of years, just about to go into my third year as DC, however I am very proud of the fact that every year we have conceded less points, and last year the D only shipped an average of 9 points a game, which considering the year before I took over the team conceded an average of 21 points per game I feel that is something to be happy about. Qualifications. Well we have to work through www.bafca.org and attend their level one course which is very basic but promotes good practice by coaches, planning sessions, health and safety and all the foundations. That is the only formal requirement and is enough for me to be insured by the Uni to run kitted drills. However I attend as many clinics as I can by domestic coaches and Americans who come over, such as RC Slocum, Mike Leach, Jim Criner and many others. Also I always appreciate you guys on this board, esp Brophy for the cut ups! Experience. I am very happy with how it is all coming together, I think one of the biggest impacts I have had is on hustle, attitude and dedication or as someone said on here the “TNTs” of football. We train hard and physically and that shows on the field with good results and a really good team spirit. I wouldn’t swap coaching for anything in the world, the pleasure I get from working with some great guys, getting the results and seeing hard work pay off is second to none; and I genuinely feel sorry for people that don’t have what we do! Pay. Haha, good luck, I have to pay for the half time oranges; and pretty much everything else! I just hope one day I can be with you guys in the States earning a living from it; not huge amounts but enough to keep me fed and watered! So anyone want to offer Coach Roberts a job, please do, I’ll coach for soup, lol! Anyway, just my take on it from this side of the pond; not too relevant to yourselves, but hey, coaching is coaching! Matt
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Post by coachank on Oct 23, 2006 11:21:50 GMT -6
in Kansas there are "Rule 10" coaches. It is a class that you have to go through, then you can be an assistant coach. It is a class that runs for about 4 days. Not hard. I would do that first if it is a possibility where you live. It would be an inexpensive way to get your feet wet and see if you like it.
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 23, 2006 12:23:46 GMT -6
all i ever thought about doing since the age of 10 was be a football coach. can remember actually having an offensive "system" for our sandlot team at that early age ... haha, still remember our best formation and play --- "Right, Run Left" --- yeah, before the spread ... lol but really fell in love with how the plays fed off each other (Right, Run Left Bootleg Pass may have put me in the sandlot hall of fame). everything about the mental part of the game fascinated me .... i wasn't as impressed with 1 single play as with how 2 or 3 plays could be used in conjunction with each other. playing in the sandlot i think forged my idea of being "in control" of the spacing of the game. which is why i like to be more 1-back spread -- yet still use motion & shift into bunched or compressed formations, too. i don't know if i really ever could do a normal job other than coaching and teaching.
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Post by tog on Oct 23, 2006 12:27:53 GMT -6
this isn't normal?
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 23, 2006 14:59:27 GMT -6
A friend of mine is exploring coaching, and rather than hearing from me (and my bias), I was wondering if you could tell me... How you got started? What qualifications you needed to meet? How you feel about your coaching experience? Pay? If you can go into more depth that would be great. Found a league to coach in, figured out who the commissioner was, send an email saying I was interested in coaching (volunteer) and asked him to forward it around the league. Within a day I had 4 interviews. I think the key is knowing how to block, how to tackle, how to get into a stance and how to teach it. If you know those things, you have a good foundation as a coach. I love the thrill of a play working, of a kid improving, and being thought of by the kids as a coach/mentor. I dislike losing and parents who question me. Both of those are a like death and taxes so you learn to deal with them. One thing that springs to mind. My mentality when I first started coaching was "I'll do anything, coach anywhere, anything to get my foot in the door." After I got my first gig (head coach 11/12 yr olds) I was 100% committed and loved it. Anything less than that type of mentality means your friend might not enjoy himself.
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Post by jhanawa on Oct 23, 2006 16:08:11 GMT -6
Coaching a career? I thought it was a disease, at least my wife thinks so. I got started at the HS that I attended during my Soph. yr in college when I was sitting out a year at a local JC while transferring from one University to another to play. Anyway, I was 19 and probably a wee bit too intense for JV's (thats sarcasm, I was gung ho squared) but I learned a lot from it and was hooked, so after college I went back to the same HS and coached for a few more years on Varsity as OC. Totalled 5 years of HC ball and then got out of it due to non teaching job hours, family, etc (hated being away but thats life sometimes). The last 7 years have been at the 8th grade age youth level- Pop Warner kids. As far as getting in the door, I got in coaching for my old HS coach but depending on location and situation, a good resume should at least get you a interview. The youth gig is dependent on a interview and background check. One thing I will point out about the youth gig from my experience, I became a much better organizer and communicator at this level in 2 days of practice per week than at the HS level with 4-5 days of practice. It was a maturation and realization on my part that I had to get better at these areas in order to cram offense, defense, special teams, etc into a more limited timeframe. How do I feel about coaching? I love doing it. I'd coach everyday if I could, watching the kids development and progress as individuals and a team isn't comparable to anything else that I can think off other than watching your own kids grow up. Pay? I'd PAY to coach if need be, in fact, I guess I do with all the stuff I end up buying, gas, etc. When I was an assistant in HS I think it was around $2500 or so, I was younger then and fresh out of college so that was beer/golfing money, probably not well spent but its an investment that I carry with me....lol In depth? If your not passionately driven to coach, then it isn't for you. If you are, then welcome to the asylum.
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Post by saintrad on Oct 23, 2006 23:01:44 GMT -6
How you got started?
Interesting story. Typical stuff early on playing the game. Got into coaching football after coming back stateside when finished with my tour in Korea in 88. A friend of mine from Korea and I were stationed on the DMZ in Korea and in Ft. Polk (La.) when we got back to the states. During our stay in Korea he and I would play chess, the Avalon Hill bookcase games, and other strategy games to fill our time. After repeated butt kickings by me, my friend challenged me to put my strategy skills to "good use" and get into coaching football at one of the local HS. He was able to land me a frosh job and my so called career was off. Our first HC was an old school wishbone guy, but he left after my first year to get a better job. THe new HC was a former Tiger Ellison player and he brought the Run-n-Shoot to us. After 3 yrs, I got out of the Army went back home to Oregon and spent the next two seasons honing my skills with my old HS program as a scout. Moved to the valley and hooked up with an up and coming spread based HS team. Over the next 6 years I worked from the youth level up tothe HS level with two different spread teams. And since then, I have been a one-back disciple for most of my career.
What qualifications you needed to meet?
ahhh, beating my friend and being all ears as i learned the new systems where ever I went.
How you feel about your coaching experience?
Love it. Only hate the politics of the higher levels, but love it and wouldn't give it up.
Pay?
Started out as a volunteer, worked my way up to a Varsity DC and made a little over 3k.
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Post by coachjd on Oct 24, 2006 4:52:22 GMT -6
How did I get started.
Had one semester left to do my student teaching after my 4 years of playing was over and the head football coach and OC called me in and asked me to be the asst OL coach. They even told me I would still get my scholorship for the semester. Tough to say NO! After one season of coaching OL at the NAIA level the head coach took another job in the same league and had a part-time OL job and brought me with him. Loved what I was doing and did not need much money to survive. AD at new school advised me to get my masters if I wanted to stay in the college game and he basically hooked me up with a DIV II school as a GA. 1/2 way through my first year as a GA our LBer coach left and I got hired fulltime. Coached another 6 years at the college level before my priorities started to change. Marriage and 2 small children and the money was not very good and the time spent away on the road recruiting was not fair to my wife to raise our 2 children on her own. That is when we made the decision for me to get a high school teaching and coaching job. Still get to coach football, still get to work with kids, and make enough money to live on. Will I retire a rich man? heck no, but I love what I'm doing.
What Qualifications did I need?
I think the hired me at my first job because I had a pickup and they could use it to help get the field equipment out to the field everyday!
How do I feel about my coaching experience?
Would not trade it for anything in the world. There have been many ups and downs, but it all comes down to working with great kids and coaching a great game.
Pay
The check is nice to get, but I would do it for free. The real pay is when I get invited to a former players wedding, or a phone call from a former player telling me about his new job, or his new baby, etc...
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 24, 2006 5:53:19 GMT -6
i dont remember anything of the time before i became a coach...
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Post by brophy on Oct 24, 2006 6:12:42 GMT -6
I got into coaching only after experiencing first-hand that the game COULD be fun when explained in simple concepts.
I played football because it was the “thing to do” but never really understood what I was doing until I got to college. In college, I met a few coaches who were excited about what they were doing and were truly there for my best interest. These men showed me exactly, step-by-step, what I needed to do to be successful at my position, and they encouraged me to improve.
These coaches explained the game and made it simple by breaking my position into a few simple concepts. They showed me that I didn’t have to physically dominate opponents, but if I just learned techniques I could be successful no matter who I lined up against. It was this type of teaching that gave me an excitement and appreciation of the game. It wasn’t about talking tough or excited speeches it was the development of skills through instruction. This type of instruction showed me that this game just wasn’t about running right or running left while other players beat up on each other, it was about 11 matchups on the field working in orchestration from coaches who studied their opponent to out smart them.
To be a coach, no particular skills are required. To be an authorized coach for a public school, a State Authorization is required. Authorization / Endorsements to coach require completion of the following accredited courses; · Theory and Ethics of Coaching · Human Growth and Development · Physiology · Care and Prevention of Athletic Injuries · Theory of Coaching Upon successful completion of the four required courses, you must submit an application to the Board of Educational Examiners. Authorizations must be renewed every five years. To renew, you must have successfully completed five planned renewal activities or courses related to athletic coaching (i.e., rules meetings, coaching clinics, coaching workshops) during the term of your license. Compensation can range from nothing (volunteer) to a $2500 season stipend, depending on the District coaching in. Just like the game provides an arena to prove your skills as a player, it provides an arena for the coaches as well. The game offers an opportunity to showcase the players that learned the concepts instructed through the week.
Just like any other hobby challenges a person (video games, gardening, flying, boating, etc), so does coaching for provide that challenge for me. Teaching the game and developing the joy of competition in players is a rewarding experience. No other sport requires as much mental, physical, and character stress as football does. The experiences gained during the trying times created in football environments (driven by intense emotional states) is where many of the great social memories and friendships are formed, THAT is what the total football experience is about.
I have found that to be the most rewarding aspect of coaching – developing players, building their self-esteem, getting them to work together, and also the coaching camaraderie and the challenge of communication. All players, coaches, staff, working towards the same goal, being a part of something special.
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Post by blb on Oct 24, 2006 6:34:25 GMT -6
I remember the sixties; I have pictures of the seventies.
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