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Post by bluedarters on Jun 25, 2013 19:42:42 GMT -6
We put our top guys in Riddell Revo Speeds, but seems like every guy who gets a concussion wear THAT helmet.
I am not real familiar with Schutt, Zenith, etc.
What do you coaches feel is the BEST helmet for protecting players from head injuries?
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 25, 2013 20:13:11 GMT -6
I don't think it matters what helmet you out them in. Helmets do nothing to very little to prevent concussions.
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Post by texasstyle on Jun 25, 2013 20:25:49 GMT -6
I agree with larrymoe. But as far as fit/ feel/maintenance. Our kids go for schutt everytime. We use schutt because we aren't always working on them in the sidelines like we do Riddell. For what it's worth we went to a concussion seminar last summer. They explained that a concussion is an intra-cranial injury. Headgear does nothing to prevent that. Any sudden stop of the head allowing the brain to "bang" the inside of the skull can cause a concussion. We've had 10 in 3 years. 1 in cheerleading(a fall), 4 in basketball, 2 in baseball, 3 in football.
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Post by 33coach on Jun 25, 2013 20:26:27 GMT -6
We put our top guys in Riddell Revo Speeds, but seems like every guy who gets a concussion wear THAT helmet. I am not real familiar with Schutt, Zenith, etc. What do you coaches feel is the BEST helmet for protecting players from head injuries? Concussions are caused more often by whiplash then impact.. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards |
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Post by Scott Bronkema on Jun 25, 2013 20:28:53 GMT -6
I've talked to reps from riddell for quite awhile, there is a lot of false science and facts out there. Football is a dangerous game sometimes. Xenith is going bankrupt because once the interior bladder breaks the whole thing needs replaced. if a bladder on a schutt or riddell blows switch out the pad. I love xienith's concept but it doesn't sound like they will last. Riddel REVO SPEEDS and older REVOs are great. Schutt have been used by Penn State and some pro's, because of their "proven" safety. My opinion and what I've learned. hope that helps.
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Post by fantom on Jun 25, 2013 21:24:57 GMT -6
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jun 25, 2013 21:38:01 GMT -6
Congrats on your championship coach,
I put my guys in DNA's our last big buy in '09 and we've only had 1 concussion since. BUT, that might be because we don't hit anybody hard enough to cause any trouble.
Before that we had Schutt air and had many more concussions. But, this is just anecdotal evidence, I've got no proof of anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 23:08:02 GMT -6
It is partially about the helmets, but strengthening the muscles of the neck will go just as far or further. Should reduce the deceleration phase of a "whiplash" type motion.
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Post by 42falcon on Jun 26, 2013 9:30:01 GMT -6
Obviously the helmet is a part of it. I think we are going to see new technology around this. But there is also the way we teach the game. How are we teaching kids to tackle?
We had a pilot this year with a few concussion sensors essentially they detect the amount of impact in G's that a player gets to the head. This then gets beamed to an iPad. At a certain point a kid needs to be assessed based on the research this company has done. It then gets personalized for the kid ie: he has a certain number of middle data hits and no symptoms that becomes his baseline. It was great we had a new kid at LB (played RB for us for a long time). He was learning, and the trainers would come and say hey, his sensor keeps going off that was a clue to use that this kid is still using his melon as a contact device....
The helmet is certainly part of it. I just wish the newer hats were not so expensive...
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 26, 2013 10:42:01 GMT -6
It is folly and terrible science to say that any one factor is either all-important or unimportant. Helmets, mouthguards, technique, neck muscles, all affect your chances, but they might not help in certain specific situations. As far as which helmets are "best," There's very little independent or peer-reviewed research being done, almost all the research is either very small-scale, funded by a company (bad science), or agenda-driven (bad science). What little research there is generally suggests that any of the newer generation of helmets is about equal, so base your purchase on cost and fit.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Jun 26, 2013 11:52:23 GMT -6
We try to fit our kids with all the 4 and 5 star helmets as listed above.... It is as much CYA as anything else... I do NOT want to get sued... So I make sure the helmets we wear scored high on any and all "tests" Many factors are involved as stated above, but you need to make sure they are in the best equipment per the media that is out there... That is my opinion.... |
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Post by joshnorton on Jun 26, 2013 13:19:56 GMT -6
We use both Revo Helmet's and DNA's - I cannot say that I have noticed a brand specific correlation. I do percieve the hard sided Revo to be safer but, thats just personal opinion I think.
I caught a seminar a few years back from the Jim Radcliffe(sp?) at Oregon who believed strongly(and had ample data supporting his position) that improving core strength in athletes was key in reducing concussions. I have focused on it with my athletes since that time and have had only a single concussion in 4 years(head hitting turf).
Sincerely,
Joshua Norton
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Post by blueandgold on Jun 26, 2013 17:59:37 GMT -6
All very good reasons as to how to reduce concussion, improve core strength, strengthen neck muscles, alter practises and tackling, etc in reducing concussions.
We have been changing over from Riddell to Schutt DNA's and XP's for the last five years. We have noticed a difference for both our high school teams in terms of concussions. What we like about the Schutt helmet is the lack of foam padding in the front of the helmet. Put the Riddell helmet outside or in your car on a hot day and the foam padding is like a marshmellow. On a cold day it is like a rock. We play in Canada. You can drive your thumb deep into the padding on a hot day. The Schutts don't have this issue on a hot or cold day. It appears to maintain it's integrity.
These are just our personal observations. I know the smaller kids like the Schutt XP's, as the helmet fits nice. Having said all this I personally like the Riddell Revo design, I like the way it protects the jaw line, and I like the facemask attachment towards that area of the helmet for added strength.
I don't think you can go wrong with Riddell or Schutt. They are two proven companies who have been building helmets for a long time. The jury is still out for any other company, and I won't touch them for another five years. I'll let other people experiment with them.
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Post by veerman on Jun 26, 2013 20:31:46 GMT -6
We just ordered the X2 from zenith. They are a 5 star rating. I like the idea that they promote 1 helment, where others have a low cost helment and then a high cost. They just have one. I agree with others though, helments won't prevent concussions but some can help reduce the risk.
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Post by cvaughan598 on Jun 27, 2013 5:09:44 GMT -6
I have had kids get concussions with every one of those helmets. A QB with a Zenith has his career ended because of multiple concussions. I agree with above post, it's about fit and comfort and how you teach and train the kids. At my last school we invested heavily in Revos... Hated them because the bracket on side of face mask was forever busting and we had WAY more concussions than was natural for one team. All in those helmets except for QB who wore his own Zenith.
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Post by fcc on Jul 2, 2013 10:50:15 GMT -6
Love the Schutt's...don't like the Riddell's. I think Schutt is a better overall product. Players like them a lot better. Better fit and they just look nicer, IMO.
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Post by veerman on Jul 2, 2013 12:54:39 GMT -6
can't say anything about X2s right now, but will let you know how it goes at end of season. I am usually a DNA guy but got a great deal on these and liked the idea that they have one helmet and not 4 different.
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Post by jrobins on Jul 4, 2013 0:28:43 GMT -6
we switched to the xenith helmets and have had zero problems, and the kids love them and how they fit. check out this vid
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Post by Scott Bronkema on Jul 4, 2013 8:47:56 GMT -6
I love xenith but ive seen to many bladders break. rendering the helmet useless.
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Post by jsk002 on Jul 4, 2013 14:57:48 GMT -6
Our program has done really well with the revolution speeds.
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Post by shotgunfunandrun on Jul 4, 2013 21:42:20 GMT -6
The Revo 360's are supposed to be ideal for help with concussion issues. We actually just had 5 kids purchase them on their own... at $370 each, its quite the investment.
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Post by veerman on Jul 4, 2013 22:33:27 GMT -6
getting X2s for less than 200
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Post by jrobins on Jul 4, 2013 23:59:00 GMT -6
The Revo 360's are supposed to be ideal for help with concussion issues. We actually just had 5 kids purchase them on their own... at $370 each, its quite the investment. just my opinion but the 360's aren't as good of a product as the xenith. the reason riddell cost so much is bc of the license with the nfl. I have spoke with a handful of nfl players that where the xenith and will not wear anything else. our kids love them and they are cheaper. if you talk to your vender your can get them under $175. we got ours for $160. you just have to talk to your vender bc I know for a fact they are only charged 125 per helmet. |
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Post by wingt74 on Jul 5, 2013 12:48:00 GMT -6
As I understand it, advancements in helmet technology in the last 20 years have been mainly focused on comfort, durability, weight and style at the lowest possible price.
None of those (except for maybe weight?) have any impact on reducing concussions.
I believe helmet technology has failed. There needs to be a design that has replaceable exploding gel packs on the back and sides of the helmet. So when the head slams into the ground via whiplash, or when a player gets a powerful impact near the ear hole, these gel packs explode (think half the size of a hard ball, cut in half and "explodes" defined as changing from ball shape to concave shape) some of the energy is mitigated by the gel. When the pack gets hit, you replace it.
Hell, go cheaper, make these packs full of air, and the air violently expels when these sides of the head take impact.
Need to figure a way to slow down the head's movement in collision situations.
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Post by veerman on Jul 5, 2013 14:30:11 GMT -6
making players wear helmets that fit would be the best start.
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Post by shotgunfunandrun on Jul 5, 2013 14:57:45 GMT -6
The Revo 360's are supposed to be ideal for help with concussion issues. We actually just had 5 kids purchase them on their own... at $370 each, its quite the investment. just my opinion but the 360's aren't as good of a product as the xenith. the reason riddell cost so much is bc of the license with the nfl. I have spoke with a handful of nfl players that where the xenith and will not wear anything else. our kids love them and they are cheaper. if you talk to your vender your can get them under $175. we got ours for $160. you just have to talk to your vender bc I know for a fact they are only charged 125 per helmet. We bought 5 of the xenith helmets and none of the kids like the way they fit and think they are ugly. |
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Post by jrobins on Jul 5, 2013 16:31:16 GMT -6
just my opinion but the 360's aren't as good of a product as the xenith. the reason riddell cost so much is bc of the license with the nfl. I have spoke with a handful of nfl players that where the xenith and will not wear anything else. our kids love them and they are cheaper. if you talk to your vender your can get them under $175. we got ours for $160. you just have to talk to your vender bc I know for a fact they are only charged 125 per helmet. We bought 5 of the xenith helmets and none of the kids like the way they fit and think they are ugly. man I wish I had them when I played. they feel great imo. but out kids love them. but everyone is different |
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Post by veerman on Jul 5, 2013 19:34:26 GMT -6
Safety is more important than looks. I'm just not a fan of Riddell and Schutt saying they have this great safe helmet and its 300 bucks, but if you can't afford it then you can buy cheaper versions that's not as good. Don't tell me your all about safety and kids. That's what I liked about x. They have one style of helmet that fits the same, we bought our middle school kids helmets that they can use in high school cause their sizes are same for adult and youth so we bought them adult helmets.
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Post by Scott Bronkema on Jul 5, 2013 20:10:45 GMT -6
I loved the way they feel. I work in retail store part time and I pushed the xenith for customers than 20% were returned because of the bladder breaking rendering them useless. I loved the way they feel. Heck I wore one in college. NFL players love them because they have multiple helmets on hand all the time so if one breaks they just grab a new one. I'm a Riddell guy for sure but no helmet can prevent concussions, any study that says they can, are lying.
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