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Post by tatertide03 on Jun 14, 2013 9:03:14 GMT -6
Does anybody have any experience with sites like NCSAsports.org or any other like it. My brother in law has a chance to play at the next level and some guys hit him up at a football camp the other day. If he was at my school with me I would just use hudl and get his name out there but he is not. What is the Coach Huey Board's opinion of these services or how can my In laws get his name out there.
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Post by fantom on Jun 14, 2013 9:18:56 GMT -6
Does anybody have any experience with sites like NCSAsports.org or any other like it. My brother in law has a chance to play at the next level and some guys hit him up at a football camp the other day. If he was at my school with me I would just use hudl and get his name out there but he is not. What is the Coach Huey Board's opinion of these services or how can my In laws get his name out there. The first thing you should do is talk with his coach.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 14, 2013 9:28:02 GMT -6
I am not 100% certain of what those organizations do, however, I bet whatever they charge is not really worth it. It isn't that hard to search for schools, send info, dvds, or even just post up to youtube.
I liken it to Sylvan Learning Centers. While it may benefit a select few, in many cases parents are paying $50-$60 an hour to have someone else help them with their homework....(of which that tutor gets like 10 bucks an hour..lol.. )
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Post by theyoungballcoach on Jun 14, 2013 9:37:56 GMT -6
I am the recruiting coordinator at a small college. I can't speak for anyone else, but are bringing in 6 recruits who we found solely on NCSA. Hudl is great too though, if you send out the film most coaches will watch it. Even if he doesn't play for you, I would see anything wrong with you sending out a HUDL tape on his behalf.
It is also important for him to get to as many camps this summer so that guys can evaluate him first hand.
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Post by brophy on Jun 14, 2013 9:38:18 GMT -6
some guys hit him up at a football camp the other day. that's pretty much how recruiting is done now (camp networking) if you're not 6'4", 285lbs, and run a 4.4 by your sophomore year. If his team has HUDL, the player will have the ability to DO ALL THIS HIMSELF (don't need coaches to do it)
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 14, 2013 9:43:29 GMT -6
I am the recruiting coordinator at a small college. I can't speak for anyone else, but are bringing in 6 recruits who we found solely on NCSA. Hudl is great too though, if you send out the film most coaches will watch it. Even if he doesn't play for you, I would see anything wrong with you sending out a HUDL tape on his behalf. It is also important for him to get to as many camps this summer so that guys can evaluate him first hand. Let me ask you this coach...what are you doing for these 6 players?
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Post by theyoungballcoach on Jun 14, 2013 9:53:51 GMT -6
I am the recruiting coordinator at a small college. I can't speak for anyone else, but are bringing in 6 recruits who we found solely on NCSA. Hudl is great too though, if you send out the film most coaches will watch it. Even if he doesn't play for you, I would see anything wrong with you sending out a HUDL tape on his behalf. It is also important for him to get to as many camps this summer so that guys can evaluate him first hand. Let me ask you this coach...what are you doing for these 6 players? I'm not sure what you mean by that? Do you mean what did I do to get them here? I searched through the NCSA site for senior student-athletes interested in the majors that we are strong in. After I watched their film on NCSA I reached out via email and phone to all the guys I liked and ended up getting 6 to commit who will join us in August. Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/59790/3rd-party-recruiting-services#ixzz2WCrop0qi
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 14, 2013 10:03:15 GMT -6
No, I meant what do the KIDS get out of going to your school. I don't mean that disparagingly, I was just trying to illustrate that to the KIDS-- whatever they paid NCSA for, I am betting they easily could have done the same thing and contacted you guys.
I am assuming they are receiving little to no financial assistance based on their football abilities (because small schools generally aren't allowed, and athletes who are recruited blindly from a database generally don't earn). My point being they paid $$ to NCSA... so that they could go pay $$$ to attend your university to play football. Again, I could be wrong, but I think it would be fairly simple to cut out the middleman. If I have a George Foreman grill and ground meat, it isn't worth it for me to go to Mcdonalds.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 14, 2013 11:31:05 GMT -6
At the programs I've worked at, we used NCSA to find walk-on/numbers.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 14, 2013 12:32:45 GMT -6
At the programs I've worked at, we used NCSA to find walk-on/numbers. May I ask the same question of you? What did those players get out of it... other than the opportunity to play ball at those schools?
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 14, 2013 12:37:31 GMT -6
Because a lot of schools tend to throw away the cold-call letters, simply on account of the volume. They may not throw them out but they often just sort of skim through them.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 14, 2013 12:44:17 GMT -6
At the programs I've worked at, we used NCSA to find walk-on/numbers. May I ask the same question of you? What did those players get out of it... other than the opportunity to play ball at those schools? We used the service for walk-ons/numbers, so they got no money. We generally used this after signing day when all the $$$ was gone. These services make walk-on recruiting easier for smaller schools, but do not come close to the promises they make the kids. Bad investment from an athlete's point-of-view.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 14, 2013 12:46:09 GMT -6
May I ask the same question of you? What did those players get out of it... other than the opportunity to play ball at those schools? We used the service for walk-ons/numbers, so they got no money. We generally used this after signing day when all the $$$ was gone. These services make walk-on recruiting easier for smaller schools, but do not come close to the promises they make the kids. Bad investment from an athlete's point-of-view. That is what I suspected, and where I was going with it. Sounds like these services don't really do much that a kid/family can't do relatively easily with the web
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Post by 4verts on Jun 14, 2013 12:59:20 GMT -6
We used the service for walk-ons/numbers, so they got no money. We generally used this after signing day when all the $$$ was gone. These services make walk-on recruiting easier for smaller schools, but do not come close to the promises they make the kids. Bad investment from an athlete's point-of-view. That is what I suspected, and where I was going with it. Sounds like these services don't really do much that a kid/family can't do relatively easily with the web The best players on these services are often added free of charge, so that these services can claim scholarship rates. I've come across several players that are listed as top 10 nationally at their position on rivals or scout and are committed to SEC university. Guys like that don't pay, but are used to get the D3 kid to pony up the money. There are several kids on there that do get some money from smaller schools, but most that I've run across are definite D3 kids that are not going to get money regardless. I will give NCSA one thing, they email you constantly with prospects. Depending on the time of year, may receive 50 emails from NCSA with kids highlight film.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 14, 2013 13:09:45 GMT -6
... most that I've run across are definite D3 kids that are not going to get money regardless. I will give NCSA one thing, they email you constantly with prospects. Depending on the time of year, may receive 50 emails from NCSA with kids highlight film. Agreed. Not suggesting that those organizations are a "scam" or collect $$ for doing nothing. Just suggesting (and it appears you believe the same thing) that it wouldnt cost that much money, time, or effort for those 50 kids to do the same thing on their own....which is my feedback to the original poster asking about such things. It seems that the only thing the athletes "get" out of paying for these services...is to find out various institutions exist. Given that the OP is a coach, that shouldn't be a pay service.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 14, 2013 13:13:39 GMT -6
What do these services charge? If it's cheap it might be worth it, but I would agree that they're not worth a ton of money.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 14, 2013 13:19:03 GMT -6
What do these services charge? If it's cheap it might be worth it, but I would agree that they're not worth a ton of money. From my understanding they are definitely not cheap.
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Post by airraider on Jun 14, 2013 16:28:55 GMT -6
I think the one benefit that such a service can offer is that ability to pair up colleges with prospects that might otherwise never find one another.
Was at Southern Arkansas University with my QB yesterday and a dad tells me a story that his wife ended up in Fayetteville because she didn't know that Arkansas had another "university."
Sometimes kids/families do not realize there are certain options available.
Is that worth the $1000 fee? No, probably not... but it does serve as a benefit.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 14, 2013 16:46:57 GMT -6
I think the one benefit that such a service can offer is that ability to pair up colleges with prospects that might otherwise never find one another. Was at Southern Arkansas University with my QB yesterday and a dad tells me a story that his wife ended up in Fayetteville because she didn't know that Arkansas had another "university." Sometimes kids/families do not realize there are certain options available. Is that worth the $1000 fee? No, probably not... but it does serve as a benefit. Just my opinion... a quality HS football coach should be providing that information, which is why I was hinting that the services probably aren't the best option for most kids.
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Post by fantom on Jun 14, 2013 17:17:58 GMT -6
I think the one benefit that such a service can offer is that ability to pair up colleges with prospects that might otherwise never find one another. Was at Southern Arkansas University with my QB yesterday and a dad tells me a story that his wife ended up in Fayetteville because she didn't know that Arkansas had another "university." Sometimes kids/families do not realize there are certain options available. Is that worth the $1000 fee? No, probably not... but it does serve as a benefit. Just my opinion... a quality HS football coach should be providing that information, which is why I was hinting that the services probably aren't the best option for most kids. $1000 to get hooked up with a D.3 school is ridiculous. I agree that an experienced HS coach should be able to provide all the help that you need which is why I suggested that the first thing to do is talk to the coach. In the (I believe) rare instance in which a HS coach is unwilling or unable to help maybe a parent may have to use a commercial service but I don't believe that that's often the case.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 14, 2013 17:49:31 GMT -6
fantom agreed. d3football.com/teams/index Took all of 45 seconds to get that list. Shouldn't take a kid/family very long to search through those schools websites to see if they are interested...then contact the schools football program. I am not extremely familiar with the inner workings of division 3 football, but I know that atleast some schools carried large teams to MAKE money for the school. Meaning, if you want to go to school there and play ball, they aren't saying no.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 14, 2013 18:04:26 GMT -6
1000? I was thinking 50-100 would be fair.
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Post by airraider on Jun 14, 2013 18:26:14 GMT -6
1000? I was thinking 50-100 would be fair. Yea my QB has a profile and it cost them around that much... but then again... they also paid Sean Salisbury about $4000 to come train him one summer.
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Post by theyoungballcoach on Jun 14, 2013 19:37:21 GMT -6
No, I meant what do the KIDS get out of going to your school. I don't mean that disparagingly, I was just trying to illustrate that to the KIDS-- whatever they paid NCSA for, I am betting they easily could have done the same thing and contacted you guys. I am assuming they are receiving little to no financial assistance based on their football abilities (because small schools generally aren't allowed, and athletes who are recruited blindly from a database generally don't earn). My point being they paid $$ to NCSA... so that they could go pay $$$ to attend your university to play football. Again, I could be wrong, but I think it would be fairly simple to cut out the middleman. If I have a George Foreman grill and ground meat, it isn't worth it for me to go to Mcdonalds. I guess it is more beneficial to us than them, but I will say it gets us into touch with athletes that we would never find. We don't help them financially, but we can get kids with only above average grades into elite majors. I can say, we went head to head with a bunch of D-II schools for NCSA kids and I know that multiple got scholarships at that level. That being said, I do not know if the D-IIs first heard of the kids from NCSA or from a different median.
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Post by jlenwood on Jun 14, 2013 19:51:47 GMT -6
I think these services are a thing of the past. Kind of what Netflix did to the video rental places. Any kid on Hudl could do it themselves. We had a kid several years ago and I think they paid about 2K for NCSA.
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Post by huthuthut on Jun 14, 2013 20:41:43 GMT -6
I asked every coach that came through this spring how much they relied on those services. They all said "little to none". Only would take a second look if 40 time was exceptional.
Gotta get it from film and/or coach recommendations to make further evaluations.
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Post by mc140 on Jun 14, 2013 23:21:50 GMT -6
NCSA doesn't do anything a competent coach or kid who is Hudl Savvy can't do himself.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 15, 2013 5:54:58 GMT -6
These types of services are why I go out of my way during our parents meeting to talk about playing in college and the process involved. It is amazing when you talk to parents and tell them the facts about college sports to find out how little they know. I think services like this prey on those types of people. So many people believe the "full ride" myth that is out there aka if a kid goes to play in college they are getting a full ride. Always interesting to get the reactions of parents when you explain how scholarships work, esp below the D1 level, and the number restrictions on them. Bit off topic but as many have said you can do what these services do for free with HUDL and some google searches.
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Post by jlenwood on Jun 15, 2013 6:54:18 GMT -6
I am not extremely familiar with the inner workings of division 3 football, but I know that at least some schools carried large teams to MAKE money for the school. Meaning, if you want to go to school there and play ball, they aren't saying no. This is a huge piece of information that parents and kids need to hear. There is a reason that D3 schools carry 130 kids on a roster, to make $. Do the math, 130 kids x $25,000 (min private school tution probably) = $3,250,000.00. I am pretty confident in saying that a D3 football program does not need $3 mil to function.
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Post by airraider on Jun 15, 2013 9:18:23 GMT -6
NCSA doesn't do anything a competent coach or kid who is Hudl Savvy can't do himself. Cannot assume that all coaches are competent an that all kids have access to HUDL.
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