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Post by nltdiego on Jun 3, 2013 21:44:38 GMT -6
I'm in my 2nd year of coaching a Varsity program. I had 8 total coaches last year and three were left over from the old HC. I let three guys go after the season because they were not buy-in guys. We went into Spring Ball with 5 coaches all buying into my philosophy and vision. Yesterday one of my coaches got pink slipped and then offered a job in another district 30 mins away. His bell schedule is off from ours so he decided he would not be able to give 100% commitment to the program with this new job. Therefore, we currently have four coaches on Varsity staff.
Do I stick with four quality coaches who are buy-in guys?
Do I try to hire a 5ht coach this late in this season?
I have a potential 5th coach but it is a friend of the assistant so do I take his word?
Is 4 quality better than 5 and not having trust in the 5th coach a good idea?
Thoughts or advice?
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 3, 2013 22:21:14 GMT -6
How many kids do you have?
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Post by nltdiego on Jun 3, 2013 22:27:48 GMT -6
45 kids
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 3, 2013 22:46:46 GMT -6
I'd go with the four. Go with who you trust if you dont know the guy.
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Post by blb on Jun 4, 2013 6:01:54 GMT -6
Do you Two Platoon?
If not, four should be enough.
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Post by coachdennis on Jun 4, 2013 14:18:54 GMT -6
The older I get, the more I believe that less is more when it comes to the size of a coaching staff. Four is a little tight, but I would run with it unless I really knew who the fifth guy was. I have been in that situation before ("Hey, I have a buddy who can help us out!") and more often than not the guy is a dud. I have finally learned my lesson...
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Post by carookie on Jun 4, 2013 14:50:29 GMT -6
What is your situation like on your lower levels? How big are your Frosh and JV teams and how many coaches do they have?
Also, what systems do you run? I know that may seem odd but some systems I think can be handled with fewer coaches.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Jun 4, 2013 15:18:37 GMT -6
Four is pretty good. We have 5. I'm the least specialized of the five. One is all defense, DC & LB's. Another is all offense, OC & QB's. We have an O-line coach, and a receiver coach who also does the DB's. I work with the RB's and D-line mostly, but I also run the scout team. We get the job done with four coaches on most days though.
Better to have four coaches who buy-in to your program rather than having five coaches with one who is against you.
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Post by coach2013 on Jun 4, 2013 16:51:56 GMT -6
HC/OC/oline/special teams/ILBs
Assistant/DC/scout defense/dline/assistant oline
Assistant Dbacks/rbacks/film
Assistant receivers/outside backers/JV HC
Frosh:
HC/DC/keeps stats on varsity games
AC/OC/spotter for varsity
*gopher/get back coach or scout for varsity/film
and all of the above is "for now."
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Post by s73 on Jun 5, 2013 6:34:51 GMT -6
We have 4 varsity coaches and 2 sophomore coaches (JV, whatever you want to call it). So what has helped us is that since their are 6 total guys I have designated 3 of them as just offensive coaches (myself included) and 3 of them as strictly defensive coaches.
We practice 3 hours at beginning of season. So for 1.5 hours, the soph team goes defense with their 3 coaches and the Varsity goes O with their 3 coaches and then the players/levels switch sides of the ball halfway through but the coaches stay the same.
This has maximized my coaching numbers, has solved buy in issues b/c I write one common practice schedule and the connection prepares the lower level for varsity FB b/c they are working w/ varsity coaches learning our schemes and verbage for 3 years instead of 2.
Let me 1st state that my staff has been great and buy in has not seemed to be an issue, but if it were it would be difficult to deviate since again I write the practice schedule for all 6 of us as we practice together. Both levels learn the same concepts, drills, strategies, etc.
It's also nice for evaluation purposes since I get to coach younger kids on a daily basis when the soph team switches to O. Also, the younger guys never slow down the varsity team as we practice opposite sides of the ball.
It also helps younger coaches perfect their craft since they get to specialize on one side of the ball, one position, etc.
If your situation is similar then this might help. Just a suggestion.
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Post by realdawg on Jun 5, 2013 7:50:57 GMT -6
We are a 3a school with about 1100 kids, about 80-100 football players JV and Varsity, and we only have 4 coaches on staff at the school. Now we get a couple of coaches from the community that help out, and the head MS coach helps out when he doesnt have MS stuff going on, but on any given day in the summer and even sometimes in practice, we can only count on having 4 coaches at practice. Also makes it very tough to get all the off the field stuff done during the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 8:54:12 GMT -6
I'll echo most of these thoughts, but with those numbers, four should be enough although I would at least interview the potential fifth guy. If your current assistants are the "buy-in" guys, their recommendations for another coach should carry some weight.
In the current program I coach in, we had five guys for around 55 players last year. We are structured to where our freshmen team has two coaches and they play a totally separate game schedule and practice on their own. The sophomores, juniors, and seniors are all considered "varsity" and practice together and we have the five coaches for this level. JV games consist of sophomores and juniors who aren't varsity starters.
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Post by rhscoachbh on Jun 7, 2013 20:20:38 GMT -6
We have 12 on the varsity staff for 80-85 players:
HC/STC/TEs
Asst- OC/OL
Asst- Asst OL (GA)
Asst- QB
Asst- RB
Asst- WR
Asst- DC/OLB
Asst- ILB
Asst- DL
Asst- CB
Asst- Assoc HC/Recruiting/Safeties
Asst- Kickers (usually only stays an hour, older guy who does a great job)
We'll have around 5 or 6 coaches on the frosh staff. Practices are 2 1/2 hours, with an hour on each side of the ball. I usually like to have the JV guys first (defense) and finish with the varsity guys.
We also have a Facilities/Equipment/Quality Control guy and he has 2 assistants that have been around 5+ years. It's a great staff where all of the young guys on staff played there and all of the older ones have been at the school 15+ years, with 8 of the varsity staff on campus (rare in California).
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Post by s73 on Jun 8, 2013 6:59:41 GMT -6
We have 12 on the varsity staff for 80-85 players: HC/STC/TEs Asst- OC/OL Asst- Asst OL (GA) Asst- QB Asst- RB Asst- WR Asst- DC/OLB Asst- ILB Asst- DL Asst- CB Asst- Assoc HC/Recruiting/Safeties Asst- Kickers (usually only stays an hour, older guy who does a great job) We'll have around 5 or 6 coaches on the frosh staff. Practices are 2 1/2 hours, with an hour on each side of the ball. I usually like to have the JV guys first (defense) and finish with the varsity guys. We also have a Facilities/Equipment/Quality Control guy and he has 2 assistants that have been around 5+ years. It's a great staff where all of the young guys on staff played there and all of the older ones have been at the school 15+ years, with 8 of the varsity staff on campus (rare in California). Wow. Is your mascot the Golden Bears by chance?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 7:27:29 GMT -6
4 for 45 isn't bad esp if you can get some student-managers or something to help with the "non-coaching" elements of the program. We have 5 for 80 kids & it's a bit overwhelming at times. We'd like to have at least 2 more for the numbers we have out.
Duece
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 8, 2013 8:32:01 GMT -6
We have 30 kids, 4 coaches
HC/DC OL/LB
OC QB, PK/P
STC WR/DB
RB/DL
I would love an OL-only guy but they can't find him a job so I keep doing it.
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Post by blb on Jun 8, 2013 8:50:07 GMT -6
In our state the "norm" is three paid Varsity coaches, two JV (Sophomores), two Freshman.
Most schools have three teams unless numbers preclude it. The common solution is to combine Freshmen and Sophomores into JVs.
Some practice Varsity and JVs together which gives you more coaches.
With three on Varsity, here's how we typically do it:
QB/RB-LBers (OC)
OL-DL (DC) - Defensive Scout Team
WR-DBs (STC) - Offensive Scout Team
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 11, 2013 21:20:49 GMT -6
We have 10 Varsity Coaches for about 65 Senior, Juniors and Sophs, then 25 Frosh.
Head Coach who is also our OC
Defensive Coordinator
D line Coach
LB Coach
DB Coach
RB Coach
WR Coach x 2
OL Coach x 2
Then 2 guys working with our Freshman
Not all are paid guys, and the HC has divided up some of the stipend to spread the wealth around a bit more from our allotted paid coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 23:33:37 GMT -6
We have 6 paid assistants, the HC and a couple unpaid assistants. This is jv/varsity combined as we practice together. The school is 4AA( biggest in NC) with around 2300 kids. We have had from 85-120 on the roster the past couple years.
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 12, 2013 0:48:13 GMT -6
I would at least talk to the guy... it can be a formal interview, you can grab dinner with him and just talk football... just try to get an idea of who he is
bring him in, teach him what and how you want to coach, if he will buy in awesome, if not, then say good bye
I do not think it is too late to get a new coach on board, and while he could be another no buy in guy, you have to take the chance that it will work out
it will help you and your program if it works out
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