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Post by fantom on May 24, 2013 8:15:24 GMT -6
Fanthom, when you are as thin as we have been the last few years it is hard to get much out of the scout team. Sure does reflect in the record, got us fired this past year btw. John, I understand that because last year depth was a major issue for us, too. My point (probably more applicable in the "scout team" thread) is that careful scripting, if the position coaches use the script to watch their positions, allows you to get meaningful reps. Sometimes taking the ball out of it helps even more. If we want to see an iso vs. 4-4 Robber, the LB coach should be watching to see if the PSLB fills, the DL coach checks gap integrity, the OLB coach makes sure that the force player isn't peeking inside, and the DB coach is watching for the FS's support angle. The play may be a complete train wreck because the C and Gs get completely blown up (and if there's a ball, between the snap and handoff you may have a real, Three Stooges scenario) but coaches still have a chance to coach their players.
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Post by John Knight on May 24, 2013 8:22:21 GMT -6
Yeah, I know how it is supposed to work, I have been doing it for a few years. I just don't know how much you get out of those drills when the defense knows there is no ball and they are supposed to do a certain thing. If they do the right thing when there is a ball, then you have got something.
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Post by fantom on May 24, 2013 9:17:45 GMT -6
I heard a head coach of a state team in NC give a one hour lecture about his defense. He said their defensive philosophy was "see ball; get ball!" He talked about a few other things as as well but he said he wanted them to get to the football. It was kind of cool. A few thoughts come to my mind: #1 - I would like to see his players in contrast to the level of players on their opponents #2 - I would like to see their year by year record complete with scores and YPG given up #3 - I categorically disagree with "see ball, get ball" if that's the entire defensive plan #4 - Bull$hit - no way that's how they coach defense down there #5 - That will get you beat quick in Ohio. Try that and play a kid like Braxton Miller...just sayin... #6 - How the heck did he speak for 1 hour on "see ball, get ball"? You've seen it before: either he's an offensive guy who really only knows the basics of the defense or he "doesn't want to give too much away". If he speaks next year maybe he'll have a DVD to sell.
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Post by John Knight on May 24, 2013 9:52:59 GMT -6
See the ball and tackle it, Hocus pocus!! C'mon man!
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Post by John Knight on May 24, 2013 10:10:59 GMT -6
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Post by Defcord on May 24, 2013 10:28:25 GMT -6
I heard a head coach of a state team in NC give a one hour lecture about his defense. He said their defensive philosophy was "see ball; get ball!" He talked about a few other things as as well but he said he wanted them to get to the football. It was kind of cool. A few thoughts come to my mind: #1 - I would like to see his players in contrast to the level of players on their opponents #2 - I would like to see their year by year record complete with scores and YPG given up #3 - I categorically disagree with "see ball, get ball" if that's the entire defensive plan #4 - Bull$hit - no way that's how they coach defense down there #5 - That will get you beat quick in Ohio. Try that and play a kid like Braxton Miller...just sayin... #6 - How the heck did he speak for 1 hour on "see ball, get ball"? I way oversimplified this...they were definitely sound on defense. This guy started out talking about their base alignments and rules. The whole idea of see ball get ball was that he didn't want his players just plugging gaps. And he wanted kids to want to make tackles on defense. He talked about how some guys tell their defensive line that they are used to occupy blockers so the linebackers could make plays. He said that wasn' this philosophy at all. He said he didn't mind a little improvising with great effort if his player thought he could make the play and gave great effort. The things I took from it were the following: 1. Everyone on the defense is expected to do their job but also expected to want to make every play. 2. Get off blocks...he said they worked everyday on getting off blocks. 3. Always work over the top of the blocker to the ball. All three of those things I use. We don't use the phrase "see ball; get ball" but I could see kids buying into that line of thinking. 1.
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