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Post by ccscoach on Jun 1, 2006 8:14:02 GMT -6
A coach on our staff got a DUI this weekend and is up for board approval in 2 weeks. He is a very intelligent coach and has done a good job the past couple of years. I think it would be a good if we can keep him on our staff what would you do the head coach wants him to stay and the AD and superindent want him to stay do any of you know of anyways I could possible help him with dealing with the school boards?  Problems with the situation is that he is a non tenured teacher(24 years old) and he has rubbed a couple people the wrong way because of his some times intense and very often loud nature? any thoughts or is he dead in the water. |
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Post by tog on Jun 1, 2006 8:16:30 GMT -6
Good HFC's will tell you this
"I will defend you for things that I can defend you on"
DWI is not one of those things.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 1, 2006 8:46:16 GMT -6
A DUI is a tough thing to deal with if you are in a position of leadership and a role model to young men. I know this... I got a DUI some years ago before I cleaned up my act. (while back at Faber...right after the parade)... I will say this- it was one of the toughest things I went through, and one of the best/most necessary things I went through. I am a big fan of James 1:2-3 " Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance."
In my situation, I received by charge out of state and no one would have probably known- except I went to meet with each school board member and told them what happened, apologized and asked for their input on how to deal with the issue (though I had some things in mind). I ended up talking with all PE and health classes about alcohol issues as they affect people... specifically targeted how athletes are affected (tend to be competitive in the bars as well as on the playing fields).
We are in a business where we work with people. People do stupid things. Too often we just let that be it- the real challenge (and as far as I can see, the benefit of being human) is to make amends, learn and prosper (for self and others) when one does something wrong.
I'm not going to disagree with Tog... there are some things that can not be defended and some people who were willing to dismiss this guy before now have added ammunition to do so.
I guess I would expect the worst, but if this guy is worth saving I would recommend that he bear his soul, so to speak, and accept any consequences of his actions and express a genuine willingness to make a positive out of it. Whether or not that keeps him at your school is out of his (and your) hands. But having something like this should not be a dead end to a career. I have a lot of friends from HS, college and a lot of relatives who have had DUIs. It seems our president has had a couple too... there are those who let something like that ruin their lives and those who make some necessary changes with the wake up call. Do what you can to help him be in the second group (and again my suggestion is to have him take full responsibility and do what ever he can to make amends), and whether or not it saves his job, it will help him a lot in the long run.
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Post by tog on Jun 1, 2006 8:51:57 GMT -6
very cool post senator
if he thinks that guy can do something along those lines, and the higher ups will go for that, then maybe it could work
i know that any of the places i have been at, if one of the coaches had gotten a dwi, they would have been canned outright, no matter what, new coaches are too easy to find, and most HC's don't want to deal with the headaches that would bring
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Post by ccscoach on Jun 1, 2006 9:43:14 GMT -6
Senator that was a great post.....when i meet with him this after noon I'm going to tell him what you did and see what he thinks..... the Superintdent suggest he right a letter but the face to face contact i think will be better.....Thanks for your help
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Post by mudslinger on Jun 1, 2006 10:23:29 GMT -6
Senator, great inputs......... IMO I think the word "Defend" should be thrown completely out of the vocabulary at this point.........The coach does not need defending in any way......he was wrong, point blank.....I think everyone here believes that......How would you feel if one of your players came up and tried to have someone "Defend" a wrong action??.......I think coach needs to put himself in a leaders role and see how he would react to the same senerio........Then he might see what his actions might need to be when he does meet with his leaders.........You want your kids to be up front and assume responsibility for their actions. This would be a good example of right and wrong.......He can/will be able to overcome this if he puts in the same effort and determination he asks of his players.......Bottom line- dont try to defend his actions in any way.........Something I ask of my own kids when they screw up"ADMIT and COMMIT" to the correct ways..........IMO
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 1, 2006 10:51:15 GMT -6
How about the alleged actions of a coach in San Diego who used the Booster Club's ATM card to go to a brothel in Reno? Credit card receipts have shown the card t be used at the brothel, at another strip club in San Diego, a trip to Tijuana, and a liquor store.
Not to mention plane tickets and rental cars. Now, for that, I can condone because of traveling to clinics etc. The other stuff forced a resignation.
Now, the question is.....should he lose his teaching job as well??? I don't have an answer. He used the programs money for this stuff, but it wasn't ASB (school money per se). He is under investigation. What do you think? Done from coaching sure, but what about his teaching job?
BTW - I wouldn't mention this situation that I knew about a long time ago, but it is now public knowledge (newspaper and TV stories have been done).
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Post by bulldogoption on Jun 1, 2006 12:19:19 GMT -6
In general, teachers can be fired for three things: incompetence, insubordination and immorality. DUI would likely fall under immorality if the school district wanted to fire this man.
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Post by airman on Jun 1, 2006 14:59:06 GMT -6
i know a guy who got two dui's over the span of ten years and he lost both his coaching and teaching job. he was the schools all time winnest football coach and had one state runnerup.
it is never a good situation to get a dwi or dui.
i would say his best bet is to talk wtih the board. one thing he might want to do is make himself available to talk with kids regarding drinking.
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Post by futurecoach on Jun 1, 2006 15:34:47 GMT -6
Good stuff in this thread for sure. It makes me glad I don't drink. Something like this is always tough to deal with. The "easy" answer for the SB is to can the guy. However, doesn't everyone deserve a 2nd chance? I would hope that the SB give the guy a chance but lay down some tough rules for the guy. There was an instance in AR where the AD of a highly successful program was given a dui. I'm not sure what finally happened with that but from what I have read that AD did not lose their job.
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Post by kdcoach on Jun 2, 2006 8:14:09 GMT -6
We had a coach in our league that got a DUI three years ago. Got fired as the coach, remained on as a teacher and this year was re-hired when the guy that replaced him got canned at the end of the season. I always though that he got a raw deal the first time around.
While there is no question that what he did was wrong, I worry that we send mixed messages to young people about owning up to mistakes and taking corrective action to fix them. I also tell my kids to "Admit, submit, and commit". Admit you made a mistake, submit to the teaching that will help correct it, and commit to doing the necessary behaviors so that it doesn't happen again. That is sometimes difficult to do when the first reaction is out of hand punishment. I don't believe that anyone should walk away from that scott-free, but I believe there are so many more life lessons that can be taught about owning up to mistakes and taking corrective actions and behaviors that ensure that they won't happen again. I think often times when someone is punished in an extreme way (losing a postion over one offense like this) the tendency is to do the opposite of what most would consider healthy behaviors to correct the problem. JMO.
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Post by saintrad on Jun 2, 2006 8:25:16 GMT -6
"Admit, submit, and commit"
I like that kdcoach.
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Post by kdcoach on Jun 2, 2006 10:02:28 GMT -6
Can't remember where I stole that from!! Please feel free to use it as your own. :-)
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Post by cdncoach on Jun 2, 2006 10:29:14 GMT -6
Like other coaches in the previous post, I also received a dui 6 years ago. My head coach at the time stood by me and wrote a character letter for the judge. In Canada where I am from our laws are such that first time offenders get a year suspension of their license, their vehicle impounded for 30 days and a fine as well as attending dui workshops through our addictions foundation in which we must give a $100 donation. I received a $1000 fine. In return I chose to give a seminar to each incoming class that I still do today on the dangers of driving drunk. The worst part about it was the embarrasement. However, I was able to turn that negative into a positive and thankfully am still able coach today.
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Post by joepafan on Jun 2, 2006 20:35:38 GMT -6
Two years ago our HC was DUI. He got nothing!!! Why? Six months before his DUI , the Superintendent was caught DUI. He was treated like it was not his fault, but the Trooper was out to get him! In both cases, the men were very discreet about drinking .
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Problems with the situation is that he is a non tenured teacher(24 years old) and he has rubbed a couple people the wrong way because of his some times intense and very often loud nature?
