dmercer
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Post by dmercer on Apr 23, 2013 13:15:29 GMT -6
Most teams in leagues with minimum-play rules sub in one or two MPP's each play on offense and defense. We faced a team last year that went 7-1 by platooning all their MPP's on offense. Two or three drives per game, they would field all their MPP's on offense and go 3-and-out.
Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?
But it worked. As I said, they went 7-1 in the regular season, but, surprisingly, not as well in the playoffs, when the minimum-play rules were suspended. Makes me think their approach to MPP's was sound. It means they always have their best players on defense, and except for a few throw-away drives, their best players on offense, too.
Let me tell you, their coach had nerves of steel, too. They were losing to us in the 4th quarter, and he still fielded his minimum-play offense for a drive to make sure they got their plays in. (And they lost about 10 yards on that drive, too.) In the end, they came back to beat us right at the end in one of our many last-minute collapses. :-(
what do y'all think of this approach?
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 23, 2013 16:01:43 GMT -6
It's not unheard of. Some coaches have whole MPP squads with dedicated coach and specialized offense. Get them on, let them run something kooky until they hit 3-long or something. Sometimes the sheer novelty of it gets them a couple first downs.
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Post by austinator on Apr 23, 2013 20:25:48 GMT -6
Our league has a minimum play requirement but it is not done by plays participated in, but by quarters (every player is required to get at least 2 quarters). Coaches have the option of playing the less talented players 1st and 3rd quarters or 2nd and 4th quarter (sometimes if your offense controls the clock the entire quarter and the less talented players don't play much in their assigned quarter)
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Post by linecoach79 on Jun 13, 2013 2:45:57 GMT -6
we run a wide tackle 6 defense and put our mpp players in the a gap, we create games for them we will have them fire out on some snaps, Bear crawl thru on others, we have an A gap coach who works with these players all practice, Every 2 plays we rotate them in and out, even when they have all of there we plays we continue to use these kids, It has become quite successful, Would like to take all the credit but it really goes to dave cisar and his winning youth football books and DVDs. We also run an unbalanced offensive line and will put these players on the weak side, Our blocking assignment rules allow them to have limited success there as well. Last year we had a kid who was worst 8 yr old football player ever, didnt want to be there, Mom and dad made him play, with him we had to be boring and due what most do, 2 plays at WR when we were running power, but he has been the exception to our rule.
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Post by hammer66 on Jun 13, 2013 6:26:46 GMT -6
When I coached at the youth level many years ago we found that the MPP's were that for a reason. We believed that it was still our responsibility to teach them so we would do that on the offensive side of the ball. We would sub as a unit and they stayed out there as long as they were getting first downs. It worked well for us. We also would play the MPP backs and QB sometimes with the first OLINE to give them a real opportunity to advance the ball. We had an MPP defense but it only went on the field if the game was well in hand so that we could call the dogs off and show some gamesmanship. I can easily remember playing teams and being up by four scores and subbing the MPPS on defense the other team scoring and going right to the onside kick because they didn't understand that we had called off the dogs.
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Post by 33coach on Jun 24, 2013 14:30:16 GMT -6
MPPs for us (Double Wing / 33 stack):
offensively:
we spread out our Ends and put MPPs there. and run Power / G / Belly.
we put them at guard and run wedge
Defense:
they play 4 tech ends
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Post by pirate1590 on Jul 5, 2013 13:59:18 GMT -6
For the SW : Weak Guard, Weak End, Wingback
Defense: BC, DE, WLB, S
Pro offense- Guard, Center, Tight End, X Reciever
defense same
DW: Tackle, Center, Ends
If the kid is just small or timid you can make him into a backup runningback and give him the ball a few times in blowouts, have seem the light switch come on than. If they are big and unaggressive they can play line and hold their own. you have to work with the kids though.
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Post by pirate1590 on Jul 5, 2013 13:59:35 GMT -6
For the SW : Weak Guard, Weak End, Wingback
Defense: BC, DE, WLB, S
Pro offense- Guard, Center, Tight End, X Reciever
defense same
DW: Tackle, Center, Ends
If the kid is just small or timid you can make him into a backup runningback and give him the ball a few times in blowouts, have seem the light switch come on than. If they are big and unaggressive they can play line and hold their own. you have to work with the kids though.
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Post by coachdoug on Jul 6, 2013 0:50:33 GMT -6
One of the things I do is script out the first 10 offensive plays. I can then maximize the number of subs in the game on each play. For instance, if I'm running outside zone from our base 2x2 spread, I can sub all 4 receivers and probably our backside tackle. If I'm running a sweep, I can sub the backside G and T, and 2 backside receivers. I often get 2/3 - 3/4 of our minimum plays completed in the script and we often run all 10 plays in our first offensive series.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2013 9:35:27 GMT -6
Most teams in leagues with minimum-play rules sub in one or two MPP's each play on offense and defense. We faced a team last year that went 7-1 by platooning all their MPP's on offense. Two or three drives per game, they would field all their MPP's on offense and go 3-and-out. Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? But it worked. As I said, they went 7-1 in the regular season, but, surprisingly, not as well in the playoffs, when the minimum-play rules were suspended. Makes me think their approach to MPP's was sound. It means they always have their best players on defense, and except for a few throw-away drives, their best players on offense, too. Let me tell you, their coach had nerves of steel, too. They were losing to us in the 4th quarter, and he still fielded his minimum-play offense for a drive to make sure they got their plays in. (And they lost about 10 yards on that drive, too.) In the end, they came back to beat us right at the end in one of our many last-minute collapses. :-( what do y'all think of this approach? when you turn on a game on sat. afternoon or sunday afternoon who are the worst athletes on the field as general rule? |
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Post by pirate1590 on Jul 14, 2013 10:27:42 GMT -6
My thoughts are you should be able to make those MMP kids at least able to contribute to a team in the course of the season. The parents aren't shelling out their money so their kid hates the sport and sits on the bench. That being said, platooning would be the WORST idea in my opinion. A all MMP offense will go three and out every time against the 1s and defense will be a nightmare. I think you'd be okay with sub DBs one series, sub lbs the next one, sub Dline the next time, all 1s next time etc.On O you can sub X/Y/Z one series, 2 linemen next series and you can always change up the backs. The most I would do would be a MMP backs and 2 linemen. Because its not fair to put all 11 weak players out there. The backs will literally get creamed every time. It would be best to have a few decent players out there too to offset them, usually this works pretty well. Plus the kids get to play a good amount(15+plays) so everyone wins.
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Post by coachdoug on Jul 14, 2013 13:09:10 GMT -6
My thoughts are you should be able to make those MMP kids at least able to contribute to a team in the course of the season. The parents aren't shelling out their money so their kid hates the sport and sits on the bench. That being said, platooning would be the WORST idea in my opinion. A all MMP offense will go three and out every time against the 1s and defense will be a nightmare. I think you'd be okay with sub DBs one series, sub lbs the next one, sub Dline the next time, all 1s next time etc.On O you can sub X/Y/Z one series, 2 linemen next series and you can always change up the backs. The most I would do would be a MMP backs and 2 linemen. Because its not fair to put all 11 weak players out there. The backs will literally get creamed every time. It would be best to have a few decent players out there too to offset them, usually this works pretty well. Plus the kids get to play a good amount(15+plays) so everyone wins. I don't think you really understand what he's suggesting. We did the MPP offense for a few years a while back and it really worked out pretty well. We didn't put 11 MPPs out there all at once (thankfully we didn't have that many MPPs) - I think we put 7 of them out there in all the line positions plus a backup QB. We kept a couple starting RBs on the field, and moved one of our starting linemen to FB. We also didn't run our regular offense with this group - we ran a double-tight wishbone with this group and gave them a small package (4 or 5 plays) that they practiced every day. Consequently, they got pretty good at running them and then had a lot of success running this package in games. They took a lot of pride in their unit - the didn't feel like a bunch of minimum play misfits, but an integral part of our success. Our promise to them was that when they went in, they would stay in as long as they were getting first downs - they wouldn't come out just because they completed their minimum plays - even in a big game. We also put them in late in blowouts, so they ended up playing a lot. In most games they got at least one first down, and often several - scoring on a number of occasions. In most games they got their plays done in one series, or at most in two series. The only real negative was when we played much better teams - in our playoff loss, they failed to get a first down, so they went out 3 times, costing over one full quarter of offensive production. I generally try to avoid putting MPPs in on defense, especially in the secondary and usually not even at LB. Interior defensive line is where I generally try to hide and protect the weakest players if they absolutely need to play on defense, but if we can get them all done on offense, that if far preferable. |
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