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Post by headlylemar on Aug 20, 2007 12:31:15 GMT -6
2007 ...."Year of Character" in football?
Quincy Carter in the AFL2....
Adam Jones in Tennessee....
Matt Groethe in South Florida...
Vick facing 36 months in Federal Pound-Me Prison.....
Talent after talent being squandered on poor choices.
Maybe kids will finally start listening?
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Post by dubber on Aug 21, 2007 11:19:39 GMT -6
Vick facing 36 months in Federal Pound-Me Prison..... Federal Prision is a breeze.........all the murderers, rapists, and drug dealers violate state laws, and that's why state prison sucks. (BTW, I don't know this from personal experience  ) If I'm not mistaken, Federal Laws have no statue for murder. Therefore, in Federal prision, you have people committing crimes across state boundaries, and these guys usually aren't dangerous (mostly "white collar" crimes). He'll probably be in a minimum security prision......career is over (unless Mark Cuban's league is still around when he paroles in 2 years or so), but Mike Vick is a far cry from being someone's girlfriend |
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Post by wingt74 on Aug 21, 2007 11:35:03 GMT -6
Vick is done. His career is over. He got a 28 mil signing bonus, and has made plenty of dough over the last 6 years though...so I think he'll be just fine.
He'll do 10-12 months, get out, and be a side show like Paris Hilton. He'll probably get into the rap business
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Post by wildcat on Aug 21, 2007 11:44:23 GMT -6
"I oughta throw the whole {censored}, jacked-up bunch of you in prison. No, not that cushy federal place with the loose jumpsuits. State prison... with the crotch binders!"
- Dan Aykroyd in "Evolution"
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Post by coachcalande on Aug 21, 2007 17:59:23 GMT -6
Vick is done. His career is over. He got a 28 mil signing bonus, and has made plenty of dough over the last 6 years though...so I think he'll be just fine. He'll do 10-12 months, get out, and be a side show like Paris Hilton. He'll probably get into the rap business |
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Post by coachcalande on Aug 21, 2007 17:59:55 GMT -6
Vick will be on reality TV with Ron Jermeny and "Flava Flaaaaave".....
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Post by airman on Aug 21, 2007 18:44:25 GMT -6
like i said in the last post on vick, he will get a slap on the wrist. he will serve very little or no jail time. he will however face finacial fines.
average joe would get the max. we have a legal system in this country not a justice system. more money= more justice
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Post by midlineqb on Aug 21, 2007 18:50:24 GMT -6
airman, I totally agree.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Aug 21, 2007 20:24:39 GMT -6
I think he'll get sued by the Falcons for his signing bonus like Ricky Williams and Miami.
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 21, 2007 22:01:46 GMT -6
prosecution is shooting for a year -18 months, hell prolly get around a year, good behavior and such will get him out in less than a year, he will miss two full seasons and probably find a way to end up on the raiders if al davis is still alive.
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Post by fort on Aug 22, 2007 7:20:46 GMT -6
There were saying on ESPN that he had to serve at least 87% of his sentence, no matter what. The other 13% (or less) is spent in a halfway house. I figure he'll end up actually serving around a year. Back in the NFL as a RB/WR in 2010 (can play either CFL or AFL in 09 in that situation), though I'd really like to see him gone for good. Absolutely disgusting stuff.
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Post by wingt74 on Aug 22, 2007 8:40:43 GMT -6
Decent skill group. Maurice Clarrett Ray Carruth Michael Vick need some Olinemen Who was that headcase for the Steelers that just decided he didn't want to play in the Superbowl? TE - Mark Chmura. Hot tub party with teenage girls, had sex with a 17 year old in a bathroom... WRs - Lofton Tough to come up with Lineman though...this team is going to struggle in the California Penil League if we can't get some lineman! Here are a few: Detroit Lions guard Ross Verba has been arrested on a felony warrant for writing bad checks Former NFL offensive lineman Barret Robbins, awaiting trial on attempted murder, was arrested on a marijuana possession charge, police said Aug. 14. Houston Texans offensive lineman Fred Weary was shot with a Taser before being arrested yesterday after a traffic stop. Former Dallas Cowboys lineman Nate Newton was once arrested at a dog fight We're getting there  |
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Post by spreadattack on Aug 22, 2007 8:56:24 GMT -6
like i said in the last post on vick, he will get a slap on the wrist. he will serve very little or no jail time. he will however face finacial fines. average joe would get the max. we have a legal system in this country not a justice system. more money= more justice I would normally agree but Vick's problem is that this is a federal prosecution. A federal US Attorney is not (certainly at this point) going to go light, and the federal judge presiding over this was not so amused. Was this a state prosecution then I might agree. Ironically, the state is actually allowed to prosecute him again for the exact same crime without violating double jeopardy because it is considered a separate sovereign than the federal government. Now that would be wild! To see Vick prosecuted twice for these same crimes. He's lucky he didn't get a wider "RICO" or racketeering charge if this was indeed a large gambling ring. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Aug 22, 2007 9:08:34 GMT -6
It really is a shame that an athlete, who is a role model for so many kids out there, can't keep his nose clean once he makes it.
I guess it goes with the saying "You can take the trash out of the trailer, but you can't take the trailer out of the trash..."
There is a total lack of commitment to educating about values and morals. Parents aren't even "parenting" anymore;
[glow=red,2,300]v. par·ent, par·ent·ed, par·ent·ing, par·ents
v. tr.
To act as a parent to; raise and nurture: "A genitor who does not parent the child is not its parent" (Ashley Montagu).[/glow]
A punk is a punk, a thug is a thug, regardless of how much his signing bonus is.
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Post by dubber on Aug 22, 2007 10:03:03 GMT -6
And yet............
Right now, some NFLer is beating his wife or driving drunk
Countless Joe Schmoes are doing the same thing
Media got everyone fired up on this one.........sorry, but what got a messed up value system when dogs are valued more than human beings
Vick is a criminal, but the publicity of his crimes makes many hate him, and those same people will cheer on the dead-beat, womanizing, drug addict on Sunday afternoons.
But then again, we only care about what we hear about.
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Post by wingt74 on Aug 22, 2007 10:14:33 GMT -6
And yet............ Right now, some NFLer is beating his wife or driving drunk Countless Joe Schmoes are doing the same thing Media got everyone fired up on this one.........sorry, but what got a messed up value system when dogs are valued more than human beings Vick is a criminal, but the publicity of his crimes makes many hate him, and those same people will cheer on the dead-beat, womanizing, drug addict on Sunday afternoons. But then again, we only care about what we hear about. If Vick was kidnapping people, and training them to kill each other, I highly doubt he would get a lighter punishment than the punishment he'll get for what he did to those dogs. Drinking and Driving? You get caught, you do time, luckily you didn't hurt someone. Drinking and Driving and you kill someone? Worse than Vick - When has that happened? Beat your wife? At least a woman can speak out and leave the situation. What choice does an animal have? Both are horribly bad. If someone is caught beating their wife to the point she almost dies...I highly doubt the legal system, media, and public will go easier on that person than Vick. Drugs? Gang Violence? Yeah, sorry, in my book, torturing dogs is a worse offense. Vick has always been a thug in my book, I never cheered for him even before the dog situation. |
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Post by dubber on Aug 22, 2007 10:32:50 GMT -6
And yet............ Right now, some NFLer is beating his wife or driving drunk Countless Joe Schmoes are doing the same thing Media got everyone fired up on this one.........sorry, but what got a messed up value system when dogs are valued more than human beings Vick is a criminal, but the publicity of his crimes makes many hate him, and those same people will cheer on the dead-beat, womanizing, drug addict on Sunday afternoons. But then again, we only care about what we hear about. If Vick was kidnapping people, and training them to kill each other, I highly doubt he would get a lighter punishment than the punishment he'll get for what he did to those dogs. Drinking and Driving? You get caught, you do time, luckily you didn't hurt someone. Drinking and Driving and you kill someone? Worse than Vick - When has that happened? Beat your wife? At least a woman can speak out and leave the situation. What choice does an animal have? Both are horribly bad. If someone is caught beating their wife to the point she almost dies...I highly doubt the legal system, media, and public will go easier on that person than Vick. Drugs? Gang Violence? Yeah, sorry, in my book, torturing dogs is a worse offense. Vick has always been a thug in my book, I never cheered for him even before the dog situation. The point of my post is that worse crimes are being committed, and people don't care as much, because it isn't flashed in their face all the time like this Mike Vick thing. Wing74, you and I are entitled to differing axiological views, but I think it is pretty obvious the media feed the fire against Vick (BTW, I've never cheered for him either-----just like to watch him run around) This is going to open a can of worms, but here goes: Does the term "thug" carry a racial feel to it? When is the last time someone called a misbehaving white player a thug? I sure don't remember Ryan Leaf being called a thug (dumbass, jerk, idiot----------but not thug) |
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Post by fort on Aug 22, 2007 11:12:56 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure it was the torturing and murdering of helpless animals part that gets people fired up against Vick, not anything the media has done.
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Post by knighter on Aug 22, 2007 11:22:26 GMT -6
thug, to me, has no racial tone at all
i have seen a lot of thugs, and a thug is just that, a thug, race means nothing
people who see thug as racial, are looking for something to argue/fight about
just like imus, "nappy headed" could have been racially looked at but have told my daughter who is white her hair looks nappy, "hoes" no racial connotation there, have seen many white whores
in my mind imus was gulity of sexism, and being stupid, but in this case not "racist"
just my take, not trying to start and argument. me being white might not allow me to "see" the racist comment sometimes as i have not been "exposed" to racial epithets thrown at me.
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Post by wildcat on Aug 22, 2007 18:36:30 GMT -6
"Thug" carries a racial meaning at my school...would never use it when discussing black kids.
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Post by dubber on Aug 22, 2007 18:39:59 GMT -6
people who see thug as racial, are looking for something to argue/fight about . Not looking to start a fight, we can discuss this without fighting. It's just everytime a coach calls an NFL player a thug on this board, it has always been about a black athlete. Racism is probably not the reason for use of the term, but the connotation (in my mind and others) is made between "thugs" and "black", because it is a term typically reserved for delinquent blacks. |
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Post by dubber on Aug 22, 2007 18:44:19 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure it was the torturing and murdering of helpless animals part that gets people fired up against Vick, not anything the media has done. For sure, this is something to be outraged about, however, the attention it received magnified the intensity of public opinion about Vick. If a 3rd string longsnapper got caught fighting dogs and commiting the crimes Vick did, I doubt PETA protests outside that team's training camp would have taken place, and that the media would have 24 hour coverage of it. He's a big deal, so the media pushed it. . . . . . .it may have not effected your opinions, Fort, but I imagine many people were influenced to be more outraged by the media. |
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Post by crl on Aug 23, 2007 5:48:17 GMT -6
No Rico!!!!! This was the latter indictment that made all his fellow thugs turn States evidence and Vick to flop... too bad...he also skips on the gambling so Joe Namath clause is nix...hmmm lets see what Goodell does. I think part of the Plea was working with the NFL money guys and the Falcons there is gonna be a big back lash..., if so it will be a bad day Goodell, the Falcons and NFL thugs will win like the NBA and Stern I only fine owners who tell the truth about fixed games.
I love what the spin is being put on, by these clowns...the worst is that he copped a plea because his friends had turned so much against him he could never clear his name...who are they f**king kidding, good Gosh they have a photo of him at a fight . He bankrolled the Gambling, he bank rolled the Biz, he bank rolled his thugs...he wrote checks! The State may press charges because of the corrupt way the initially handled the case...the main reason the FEDS came initially, some State Attorney is gonna nail the State investigators to CYA themselves.
Saying your Guilty under the Statute of the Law which prevails is GUILTY! Plea or no plea....I hope this ********* gets his justice.
As for anyone and I mean anyone doing this activity, Celeb or not I hope the US Judge, does not accept the principles of the Plea and Vick and his supporters go to trial and ehm! Clear his good name. As for innocent animals being put down the poor beasts he had at his kennel, will be.
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Post by CoachJ on Aug 23, 2007 7:29:00 GMT -6
For sure, this is something to be outraged about, however, the attention it received magnified the intensity of public opinion about Vick. If a 3rd string longsnapper got caught fighting dogs and commiting the crimes Vick did, I doubt PETA protests outside that team's training camp would have taken place, and that the media would have 24 hour coverage of it. I think you are right, but that is the nature of being a football player. Being a football player carries with it a greater responsibility than being an average human being. Why? Because of the lime light. Whatever a football player does is newsworthy. The same vehicle that makes these guys adored by fans and idolized by little kids every where and above the law in many cases, also can serve to rip your life apart if you screw it up. I doubt Vick was complaining about his fame when he was paid $28 Million or when he was getting into elite parties, or when he was wine and dined by everyone and their brother. Now that he has committed a crime, one which many consider to be of a heinous nature, that same fanfare that made him a house hold name, now makes him a national story. You can't have it both ways. As a football player it is imperative that we teach our kids that their actions are scrutinized more closely. It isn't about fair, it is part of what you sign up for as a football player. Think of your schools. I bet most teachers know who the football players are. I especially bet they know the stars of the teams. The students do too. I bet their actions are more widely scrutinized than the kid that flies under the radar. The bigger your fame, the more people care about you and the bigger story you are whether you are breaking records or breaking laws. The opportunity to play football is a gift. Think of all the god-given talents that you have seen that have not played football for some reason or another. Not everyone can play this game. I think a lot of players take for granted that they are athletically gifted and don't realize how truly lucky and special the opportunity to be on the field is. Not everyone can do it. A few select people are allowed into the fraternity. So do I feel sorry for Michael Vick because the he did not think enough of his opportunity to keep his nose clean? I have a hard time thinking so. He should know the deal. Fundamentally, all football players know the system works. He felt he was either above the system, or that he wouldn't get caught. Truth is he broke the rules and now he must suffer the consequences. |
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Post by CoachJ on Aug 23, 2007 7:33:44 GMT -6
Not looking to start a fight, we can discuss this without fighting. It's just everytime a coach calls an NFL player a thug on this board, it has always been about a black athlete. Racism is probably not the reason for use of the term, but the connotation (in my mind and others) is made between "thugs" and "black", because it is a term typically reserved for delinquent blacks. That is the thing about connotations, it is what it means to you. The term thug isn't inherently racist. The term is made racist by the person who hears it and believes it to be racist. |
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Post by mensengrizzlies on Aug 23, 2007 7:57:34 GMT -6
I don't think a thug carries a racial implication... if anything it carries a racial implication against white italian americans... all the old mafia big guys were always called thugs...
In Britain a thug is generally thought of as a heavy guy, with a bad beard, little to no teeth, and a problem spelling things... (you know, like a rugby player)
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Post by wingt74 on Aug 23, 2007 9:01:17 GMT -6
Thug is as racist as idiot, moron, putz, a-hole, and jerk. Romanowski was a thug as is Vick.
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Post by dubber on Aug 23, 2007 10:28:45 GMT -6
So do I feel sorry for Michael Vick because the he did not think enough of his opportunity to keep his nose clean? I liked the rest of your post, but just to be clear I never said anything about sympathy for Vick (I have zero). I just wanted to address two related issues 1) The term "thug" and debate about its racial connotations and 2) the fact that the reason many people got fired up about this was they were inauldated by the media (it certainly didn't help things) |
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Post by CoachJ on Aug 23, 2007 11:58:49 GMT -6
I liked the rest of your post, but just to be clear I never said anything about sympathy for Vick (I have zero). I just wanted to address two related issues 1) The term "thug" and debate about its racial connotations and 2) the fact that the reason many people got fired up about this was they were inauldated by the media (it certainly didn't help things) Media in fact did make this a bigger deal. No doubt about it. I have sports talk radio in the background while I work and you hear his name non-stop. Michael Vick, whether you like him or you don't, is an extraordinarily gifted athlete. Due to his own decisions, his greatest gift has now become his greatest curse. Like anything with extreme upside, there is an equal and opposite downside. |
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Post by ack32 on Aug 23, 2007 12:30:34 GMT -6
Fellas, have HATRED 4 the crime, but Compassion must go to the Criminal....Vick will atone 4 his wrong doings, just as some of us have....Therefore, his career is not over by any means........
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