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Post by coachjblair on Apr 26, 2007 8:28:56 GMT -6
With the NFL draft this weekend thought this might be an interesting pole. I would have to go with Calvin Johnson.
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Post by brophy on Apr 26, 2007 8:48:24 GMT -6
JaMarcus or LaRon
Not for any LSU affiliation either.
Strong armed leader in JaMarcus and a versatile safety / cover man in Landry that you can do pretty much anything with on Defense.
close second is Joe Thomas (if he is as good as advertised).
Wide receivers are over rated.
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Post by coach79 on Apr 26, 2007 8:52:30 GMT -6
IMO you can't say who the "best" player in the draft is.
Can JaMarcus Russel catch like Calvin Johnson?
Can Adrian Peterson tackle like LaRon Landry?
I bet Gaines Adams can't throw that fade route.
See what I mean? It's just one of those little things that irks me.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Apr 26, 2007 9:06:06 GMT -6
Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature though......He might just be able to throw a pass and then is fast enough to run down field and catch it...haha j/k..I want to see how many corners and even safeties are going to be eager to take this guy on in the open field....
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Post by brophy on Apr 26, 2007 9:19:38 GMT -6
Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature though......He might just be able to throw a pass and then is fast enough to run down field and catch it...haha j/k..I want to see how many corners and even safeties are going to be eager to take this guy on in the open field.... I thought the same things about Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Charles Rogers, Andre Johnson, Ashlie Lelie, Javon Walker.... |
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Post by Coach Bruce on Apr 26, 2007 9:22:59 GMT -6
Brophy, none of those guys bring to the table everything that CJ does.
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Post by coach79 on Apr 26, 2007 9:27:26 GMT -6
Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, and Charles Rogers are they a result of bad coaching, play calling, or something else? I am not sure how the Lions did so bad with the talent they had.
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Post by coachjblair on Apr 26, 2007 9:33:41 GMT -6
The thing that held back most of those players was a lack of discipline. In my opinion they got the big check and no longer put in the work. Also Larry Fitzgerald is having a solid carrer he caught 69 balls last year and had 6 TD’s
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Post by coach79 on Apr 26, 2007 9:40:19 GMT -6
Now that Anquan Boldin is a threat they can't DBL him all day. I liked Watching Larry when he was at Pittsburgh.
I do look forward to watching the Cards this year. Matt, Edge, Larry, Anquan, Neil.
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Post by brophy on Apr 26, 2007 9:54:48 GMT -6
how many receivers are going to "go to war" and grit it out to be the "Franchise"?
The position is an individual, not-so-much of a team.
Franchise receivers are guys like Rod Smith, Keenan McCardell, Marvin Harrison, etc.
guys that play a role with 10 other guys but can make a play on their own.
If you spend $50M on a receiver, he'd better be getting the ball every snap.
One of the main reasons the Lions are terrible was that Harrington was erratic.....Harrington was erratic because the Oline was a turnstyle, even though it had good talent there.
Top pick in the draft, you'd better draft a LEADER, for the money you spend. I think it would be difficult to be a 'leader' as a receiver.
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Post by coachcalande on Apr 26, 2007 10:01:17 GMT -6
I am going with Peterson. why? because runningbacks often have the most first year impact.
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Post by fort on Apr 26, 2007 10:09:11 GMT -6
Brady Quinn
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Post by spreadattack on Apr 26, 2007 10:55:20 GMT -6
IMO you can't say who the "best" player in the draft is. Can JaMarcus Russel catch like Calvin Johnson? Can Adrian Peterson tackle like LaRon Landry? I bet Gaines Adams can't throw that fade route. See what I mean? It's just one of those little things that irks me. I'm inclined to agree, but with the way the draft works, if you are sitting on a pick you have to pick somebody. Very often it will be between this WR, this OT, or this LB. How do you compare? Need yes but often you need to go for the "best player available." The idea of "need" is often ephemeral and guys "reach" for weaker players too often. |
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Post by lsrood on Apr 26, 2007 11:04:31 GMT -6
brophy,
You left out the most important franchise receiver, Hines Ward. He can catch, run, throw & knock the stuffing out of you blocking, all with a big smile on his face. If I had to pick the ideal receiver it would be Hines Ward, not to let my Steeler's bias show. I'd be a fan of Ward no matter who he played for.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Apr 26, 2007 11:57:16 GMT -6
how many receivers are going to "go to war" and grit it out to be the "Franchise"? The position is an individual, not-so-much of a team. Franchise receivers are guys like Rod Smith, Keenan McCardell, Marvin Harrison, etc. guys that play a role with 10 other guys but can make a play on their own. If you spend $50M on a receiver, he'd better be getting the ball every snap. One of the main reasons the Lions are terrible was that Harrington was erratic.....Harrington was erratic because the Oline was a turnstyle, even though it had good talent there. Top pick in the draft, you'd better draft a LEADER, for the money you spend. I think it would be difficult to be a 'leader' as a receiver. After hearing interviews of CJ and hearing his parents talk last year when interviewed during a game this kid has a good head on his shoulders, along with a solid support base. Natural talent along with maturity. One of the best things I have heard about him is that he quiet and humble. The kid just goes out there and gets the job done. |
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Post by ocinaz on Apr 26, 2007 13:09:44 GMT -6
I can't decide between Joe Thomas and Calvin Johnson.....I thought Larry Fitzgerald has been pretty dang good so far, the Cards do suck....But him and Boldin are tough...Numbers might drop this year with Whisenhunt and Grimm, hopefully they can bring the run game up to snuff.
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Post by Yash on Apr 26, 2007 13:51:32 GMT -6
Whats wrong with roy williams, hes a stud reciever now days. Especially with the QBs he has had throwing him the ball. I'd take him or Larry Fitgerald any day. both are pretty darn good young recievers. javon walker is also a game changer. So to say that those guys didn't pan out I disagree.
as for the quinn vs Russell debate, I take quinn every day of the week. So what if russell can throw the ball throw the goal posts from the 50 on his knees, kyle boller did that too. I don't care if quinn didn't win the big game, its hard to win the big game when your defense gives up 45. peyton manning never beat florida either. When I look at brady quinn I see a young tom brady. Maybe thats cuz of charlie weis mentoring them both, but i think quinn is more polished and carries him self really well. Hes no chump either, 2 bacholors degrees from Notre Dame, thats not too shabby.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Apr 26, 2007 14:38:28 GMT -6
Voted for Johnson as the best player, but Russell should be picked #1 because the Raiders want a big arm QB (assuming there is no trade). I love Quinn, but he's not a #1 pick, and definitely not the type of QB Al Davis wants.
I hope the Lions pick doesn't come up with Johnson still on the board, Matt Millen will be ripped either way he goes.
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Post by phantom on Apr 26, 2007 16:28:12 GMT -6
With the NFL draft this weekend thought this might be an interesting pole. I would have to go with Calvin Johnson. No question in my mind that it's Johnson. There are no negatives about him. Russell's lack of experience really scares me at the QB position. Peterson's durability is a worry. In the NFL a great WR can change games. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 26, 2007 18:04:36 GMT -6
Being a alumnus of Georgia Tech, I'm biased, but Calvin Johnson is going to make teams better and he will do whatever you ask him on and off the field
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Post by brophy on Apr 26, 2007 18:28:56 GMT -6
Whats wrong with roy williams, hes a stud reciever now days. Especially with the QBs he has had throwing him the ball. I'd take him or Larry Fitgerald any day. both are pretty darn good young recievers. javon walker is also a game changer. So to say that those guys didn't pan out I disagree. Who said they didn't pan out? I'm just saying we've heard the same song about a receiver each year. I love ALL of those guys, but there seems to be "one" every year (David Terrell....Braylon Edwards.......) While I love any one of those receivers - I don't know about building a team off of one receiver.....and in my mind, when you are drafting in the Top 5, that guy better be more than just a 'role' player |
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Post by airman on Apr 26, 2007 18:45:58 GMT -6
I am a homer, got to go witht he big tackle from wisconsin joe thomas. he is agile, mobile and hostile. he will be a very solid left tackle in the nf for a decade. who ever drafts him is getting a solid person and the qb can now not worry about hearing the world look out.
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 26, 2007 21:10:43 GMT -6
I am a homer, got to go witht he big tackle from wisconsin joe thomas. he is agile, mobile and hostile. he will be a very solid left tackle in the nf for a decade. who ever drafts him is getting a solid person and the qb can now not worry about hearing the world look out. I think that it is a toss up between Calvin Johnson & LaRon Landry... Calvin has the size & speed to be one of the best WR's ever. LaRon is a size & speed FREAK for a safety that was faster than Calvin Johnson & has proved he can play with the "big boys" by starting almost every game for 4 years in the SEC and being an impact player for all 4... I give the edge to LaRon because I'm a homer... for LSU |
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Post by flycoach on Apr 26, 2007 21:28:47 GMT -6
It is really a toss up I think between A. Peterson, C. Johnson and J. Thomas.
A. Peterson could come close to L.T. I said CLOSE. Everyone is selling him short though.
All I know is I am praying J. Thomas falls to my Cards ;D
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 27, 2007 0:40:30 GMT -6
Got to agree with brophy here--EVERY year we hear about the next "greatest wide receiver of all time"...
That said, if you think about it, EVERY year we hear about CAN'T MISS, NO BRAINER, HUGE UPSIDE, CHANGING THE GAME PLAYERS at EVERY single position...and precious few actually get it done.
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Post by brophy on Apr 27, 2007 5:58:41 GMT -6
the only thing that kills me about the draft is
Each year's talent is only measured by their 'class'...........If you measure each (top) player against every top 25 pick of the last 5-6 years, where would they stack up? Would you still look at them with the premiere one-in-a-million glint in your eye?
Second, this is why I'm so terrible in acknowledging draft picks........I still have no idea how a player's value can significantly change during the months HE'S NOT PLAYING FOOTBALL. Most kids have at least 2 - 3 years of game film to go off of. The Senior Bowl showcases some players in a diferent light.......but it's usually the Feb - April months that player's value increases or drops the most. HOW!? Mostly hype.
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Post by briangilbert on Apr 27, 2007 8:26:55 GMT -6
As a Chicago Bear fan I'm hoping that the GM's around the league forget who Greg Olson is and he somehow falls to us! Because he will be the NFC Rookie of the year because our QB is Rex Gro....... On second thought he will run great routes and watch the football sail over his head. But at least it will help free up our running game!
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