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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 1, 2013 12:02:12 GMT -6
Do you give your players numerical grades after games? Used to do it when I coached in college, thought it was basically pointless, very subjective across coaches and positions. I usually just write up some notes, kind of like a kindergarten teacher..you need to color more with in the lines, needs to better better with phonic, doing well at recess...so for me, Work on not bucket stepping, good path on your power pulls, get s hands up quicker on 5 step..be more agrresive on 3 step
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Post by blb on Apr 1, 2013 12:07:55 GMT -6
Do you give your players numerical grades after games? Used to do it when I coached in college, thought it was basically pointless, very subjective across coaches and positions. No. They're all we have, can't trade 'em or cut 'em and check waiver wire. That's how I felt about it when coaching CFB too. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 1, 2013 14:05:03 GMT -6
One thing I hated MOST when I was coaching college ball. As a DB coach, there were so many variables, AND I really never knew how to grade something when the other guy makes a play. Things are so subjective. For example, Db aligns properly, keeps a good body position and tempo when he shuffles out, stays on WR's hip, and 6'4 WR makes one handed grab of a fade route and taps a foot inches inside the line for the completion. Is this a minus? Would it have been a plus if the DB was lined up against a 5'9 walk on guy instead of the guy who may get drafted?
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Post by RENO6 on Apr 1, 2013 14:43:09 GMT -6
We grade. I think each grade has to be accompanied with notes which is probably the most important part. It is a 3 point grading system for each play then totaled up each play and divided them by the total to give them a letter grade.
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Post by coachfd on Apr 1, 2013 15:27:21 GMT -6
I make a list of corrections for each play, instead of grading each player.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 1, 2013 16:50:03 GMT -6
We grade. I think each grade has to be accompanied with notes which is probably the most important part. It is a 3 point grading system for each play then totaled up each play and divided them by the total to give them a letter grade. Coach.. serious question, obviously not attacking you (because so many grade) What do you do if your guy is playing against a kid who committed to Bama? His results will probably be vastly different, though his "performance" (technique, etc) will probably be relatively the same as the previous week against the guy who Rival High pulled up from the JV because of injury. |
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Post by silkyice on Apr 1, 2013 17:01:28 GMT -6
My personal opinion,
Watching film of each player every play - great.
Making corrections or notes - great.
Some arbitrary numerical grade - stupid.
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Post by RENO6 on Apr 1, 2013 17:20:31 GMT -6
My personal opinion, Watching film of each player every play - great. Making corrections or notes - great. Some arbitrary numerical grade - stupid. If we give a kid a grade like he gets in a classroom to help him evaluate his performance, I view that as a benefit. We don't evaluate based on other kid's ability. If a our kid gets beat but does what he is supposed to, he will not get a 3 but he will get a 2. That being said, I have yet to face a kid committed to Alabama. My concern is not with us playing a player that is superior to us. My concern is our players evaluating themselves. 1) We give them comments and tally each comment 2) We grade each play 3) We give them a total grade I don't think being as detailed as possible is a bad thing. If there is anything more we can do, we will. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 1, 2013 17:26:35 GMT -6
I worked for a guy who posted letter grades every week for their practices. It was definitely subjective, but that was the point. He factored in effort relative to talent and improvement over the course of a season. I don't know of anyone who disagreed with his mark that had any support from teammates.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 1, 2013 17:32:19 GMT -6
If we give a kid a grade like he gets in a classroom to help him evaluate his performance, I view that as a benefit. We don't evaluate based on other kid's ability. If a our kid gets beat but does what he is supposed to, he will not get a 3 but he will get a 2. That being said, I have yet to face a kid committed to Alabama. My concern is not with us playing a player that is superior to us. My concern is our players evaluating themselves. 1) We give them comments and tally each comment 2) We grade each play 3) We give them a total grade I don't think being as detailed as possible is a bad thing. If there is anything more we can do, we will. I understand..I often feel this way about a lot of things. My issue with giving grades was how do I deal with that. He gets "beat" and gets a 2. What does "doing what you are supposed to" mean in many cases. If an OL steps with the right foot, has good pad level, steps to the right guy, and gets stoned or whiffs because the guy infront of him what do you do? In my playing career..I sadly played a game once at 5 tech at a staunch 6' 205lbs... lined up against a TE who signed with LSU and an OT signed with Oklahoma. I was the best 5tech on the team, but if our coaches had graded film, I am fairly certain my grade would have been much much lower than the other tech who was a horrible football player. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 1, 2013 17:51:40 GMT -6
one of the things I did a couple of times was to have kids grade themselves...they were generally harder on themselves than we would have been.(this was in hs) blb..you are right about college..generally we didn't have any depth and when we had depth we stunk (too many bad kids) |
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Post by blb on Apr 1, 2013 18:21:08 GMT -6
blb..you are right about college..generally we didn't have any depth and when we had depth we stunk (too many bad kids) jg, that's because we usually got the kids - God love 'em - who couldn't play anywhere else. When they came to me (usually from DL coach) I told them, "This is the last stop before the bus stop. "If you can't play on our OL, you're on you're way home!" Of course that wasn't true, they were great kids and students, and took that remark in the spirit in which it was intended (that is, with smiles on their faces) and I enjoyed coaching them very much. |
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Post by CS on Apr 1, 2013 18:55:36 GMT -6
I think you can grade a kid without factoring if he got beat or not. Grade effort, alignment, assignment, and technique. All of those things can be done correctly and the kid still get beat by a superior athlete. Hold them accountable only for the things they can control
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 1, 2013 19:38:20 GMT -6
I think you can grade a kid without factoring if he got beat or not. Grade effort, alignment, assignment, and technique. All of those things can be done correctly and the kid still get beat by a superior athlete. Hold them accountable only for the things they can control I agree..but then what is the point? Again, not said in a negative way..but you can make a comment without trying to make a grade out of it and still accomplish the same thing correct? And so, a kid could grade out at near 100 and get whipped for the game? |
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 1, 2013 19:42:37 GMT -6
Last August we graded every varsity player during August. Go off of HUDL and grade kids off of inside drill/ 7 on 7 / team compete..
Staff meeting at 7:30 AM everyday in August.. Review personnel and grades.. Post grades in locker room and position coaches explained grades to them by their position coach.
Worked out real well. Players understood where they stood and there were not any surprises. Set the tone (Effort, hustly, loafs, no plays off). We really emphasize hustle, effort... Grade that the highest. Technique... Each position coach had a system he felt comfortable with and explained it to his group.
Liked it a lot will do it again this August. The players would run into the locker room and look for their grades. They really took pride in it.
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Post by John Knight on Apr 1, 2013 20:20:03 GMT -6
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 1, 2013 21:29:49 GMT -6
I will grade the DL after the game on friday so the kids will have them in their hands on Saturday morning. They are graded on Hands, Gap, Job, Lack Of EFfort. | Series | Play | Player | Hands | Gap | Job | Loef | Comment | | 1 | 11 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | | | 1 | 12 | 50 | 10 | 5 | 5 | 10 | Losing too much ground | | 1 | 13 | 50 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 10 | fight pressure, don’t get washed out of B | | 1 | 14 | 50 | 10 | 0 | 5 | 10 | contain | | 1 | 15 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | great play | | 1 | 15 | 50 | 5 | 10 | 10 | 10 | half the man | | 1 | 16 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | | | 1 | 17 | 50 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 10 | make a pile | | 2 | 22 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | | | 2 | 23 | 50 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 10 | don’t watch, defeat the block | | 2 | 24 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | | | 2 | 25 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | | | 3 | 30 | 50 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 10 | half the man, defeat the block | | 4 | 41 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | |
They will receive a 0 if they didn't accomplish it, 5 if they sort of did, 10 if they accomplished it. I also make sure the play number on hudl is included so they can go back an watch it over the weekend. Averaging all the scores together will give them their letter grade. 8.1 = 81% = B - It takes longer having multiple categories but it allows you to give credit to a kid who did perfect technique, defeated the block but wiffed on a tackle. I also find this is helpful for me. It helps reinforce to me what, we as a unit, are good at and are struggling at. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 2, 2013 0:26:06 GMT -6
I will grade the DL after the game on friday so the kids will have them in their hands on Saturday morning. They are graded on Hands, Gap, Job, Lack Of EFfort. | Series | Play | Player | Hands | Gap | Job | Loef | Comment | | 1 | 11 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | | | 1 | 12 | 50 | 10 | 5 | 5 | 10 | Losing too much ground | | 1 | 13 | 50 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 10 | fight pressure, don’t get washed out of B | | 1 | 14 | 50 | 10 | 0 | 5 | 10 | contain | | 1 | 15 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | great play | | 1 | 15 | 50 | 5 | 10 | 10 | 10 | half the man | | 1 | 16 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | | | 1 | 17 | 50 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 10 | make a pile | | 2 | 22 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | | | 2 | 23 | 50 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 10 | don’t watch, defeat the block | | 2 | 24 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | | | 2 | 25 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | | | 3 | 30 | 50 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 10 | half the man, defeat the block | | 4 | 41 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | |
They will receive a 0 if they didn't accomplish it, 5 if they sort of did, 10 if they accomplished it. I also make sure the play number on hudl is included so they can go back an watch it over the weekend. Averaging all the scores together will give them their letter grade. 8.1 = 81% = B - It takes longer having multiple categories but it allows you to give credit to a kid who did perfect technique, defeated the block but wiffed on a tackle. I also find this is helpful for me. It helps reinforce to me what, we as a unit, are good at and are struggling at. so if you have 4 DL X 60 plays X 4 categories =960 grades for a game plus comments..dang |
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 2, 2013 0:44:45 GMT -6
jgordon1 Yea, depending on the film quality, it normally takes 2-3 hours. So it is time consuming but I feel it is beneficial as I stated before. And luckly with hudl you can check up on them and see if they actually went back to watch the previous game over the weekend.
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Post by CS on Apr 2, 2013 6:51:13 GMT -6
I think you can grade a kid without factoring if he got beat or not. Grade effort, alignment, assignment, and technique. All of those things can be done correctly and the kid still get beat by a superior athlete. Hold them accountable only for the things they can control I agree..but then what is the point? Again, not said in a negative way..but you can make a comment without trying to make a grade out of it and still accomplish the same thing correct? And so, a kid could grade out at near 100 and get whipped for the game? I see your point but it's a way to hold them accountable. Plus you can't show them progress over a period of time with comments(as well as having a number). |
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 2, 2013 8:14:12 GMT -6
Last August we graded every varsity player during August. Go off of HUDL and grade kids off of inside drill/ 7 on 7 / team compete.. Staff meeting at 7:30 AM everyday in August.. Review personnel and grades.. Post grades in locker room and position coaches explained grades to them by their position coach. Worked out real well. Players understood where they stood and there were not any surprises. Set the tone (Effort, hustly, loafs, no plays off). We really emphasize hustle, effort... Grade that the highest. Technique... Each position coach had a system he felt comfortable with and explained it to his group. Liked it a lot will do it again this August. The players would run into the locker room and look for their grades. They really took pride in it. Not a bad idea..what do you do, if anything, in season |
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 2, 2013 8:49:35 GMT -6
Each coach has a grade system they have for their positions as well... First thing we do Sunday when we meet as a staff is review personnel. Each position group reviews grades... Anything glaring is reviewed.. Usually plays off/loafs..
One thing we do in season is film 60-95 snaps each day in practice monday - wednesday... inside run, 7 on 7, team.... position coaches review that daily on HUDL on correct mistakes on HUDL daily... Anything glaring mistake wise is usually picked up before Friday.
But yes we have each position coach grade after the games and pass that along. First thing we do Sundays when we meet.
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Post by fred on Apr 2, 2013 12:09:32 GMT -6
We grade but not numerically. On every play each player get an A-missed alignment or assignment a T- bad technique or an E- lack of effort. If Alignment Assignment Technique and Efort are good we give a plus. In the past we have turned this into a % but now we just use it to talk to our kids about what they need to work on. For us this takes the focus off of did you or did you not make a play and puts it on what you are doing well and what you need to work on. May not be the best way but it is our way
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 2, 2013 19:07:11 GMT -6
I used to do the +\- thing, with comments on overall play. I gave each kid a 3x5 card listing tackles, ect. I always tried to give some positive and suggestions for mprovement.
Then went to another school that didn't grade, as a guy that helped the OL, I decided to start grading like I had done before. Long time buddy said, " I'll sit down and do it with you, but you're wasting your time". After about the first 3-4 games with the OL grading in the mid 40s, but still averaging over 250 rushing a game and having 5-6 plays a game where 3 or more OL got minuses, the RB still significant yardage, that got canned.
Now we do a points system and I just make notes in the margin when they screw up.
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Post by coacht2210 on Apr 3, 2013 8:05:44 GMT -6
Have graded OLINE last few years. Real simple system. 1 or 0 based on if their man made the play. Certainly very subjective. I dont even tell the players we are grading them. I just use it for me.
It was very useful this past year as we plattooned a few OLineman. Made it easy to decide who should play more. Had one kid that physically wasnt as good, more or less got in the way. But his guy wasnt making tackles and therefor his grade was higher. He was platooning with a kid that was a great blocker -- when he didnt bust his assignment. But he had so many busts his grade was lower.
I guess I would say, I would grade when you have kids platooning or completing for jobs and its tough to decide who to go with.
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 3, 2013 9:04:39 GMT -6
Have graded OLINE last few years. Real simple system. 1 or 0 based on if their man made the play. Certainly very subjective. I dont even tell the players we are grading them. I just use it for me. It was very useful this past year as we plattooned a few OLineman. Made it easy to decide who should play more. Had one kid that physically wasnt as good, more or less got in the way. But his guy wasnt making tackles and therefor his grade was higher. He was platooning with a kid that was a great blocker -- when he didnt bust his assignment. But he had so many busts his grade was lower. I guess I would say, I would grade when you have kids platooning or completing for jobs and its tough to decide who to go with. thats interesting..I will sometimes grade our defense like that...How many times did you touch the ball carrier..obviously different standards for a corner than a LB |
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Post by dubber on Apr 4, 2013 16:29:24 GMT -6
It seems to me the comments section is the most important.
So, when we clip Hudl up and make notes on it, I think we get done what we need to......
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