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Post by nltdiego on Mar 16, 2013 19:00:39 GMT -6
Guys,
We are trying to go away from straight conditioning this year. We will be going full speed all practice to stimulate game like atmosphere. However, I want conditioning ideas for players who need to be discipline. This discipline could include and not limited to:
Late to practice or meeting
Loafing
Lack of Effort
Missed assignment
Lack of concentration
We currently have Big Four (400 yards- bear crawl, sprint backwards, sprint and leap frog)
When players hear "big four" they cringe knowing they did something wrong. I want to utilize this idea and use other forms of discipline ideas. I have heard of "suicides" and "dirty dozens" and just curious if any coaches had any other forms of punishment concepts or methods they swear by. Thanks in advance.
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Post by andrewestrada on Mar 16, 2013 19:43:26 GMT -6
When I was in high school we did "Count on Me's". We would start by hitting a lev sled then sprint to our linemen shutes, do a clap drill then sprint through them heading to the tire gauntlet. We would have to sprint through that and get back to the lev sled. While we waited for everyone to finish we chopped our feet, when everyone was done we up down'ed till our coach felt it was good enough. And then we got up and started all over again. Count on me's made us fear messing up!
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Post by coachcb on Mar 16, 2013 20:17:30 GMT -6
Bench them, it's more effective.
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Post by macdiiddy on Mar 16, 2013 21:35:38 GMT -6
For when someone or a team REALLY screws up. Like one year we had a bunch of guys tie up our student filmer and leave him in the wrestling room.
They do a scab run.
Every time they cross a white line they do 5 push ups.
So everyone standing in the endzone, 5 pushups. Sprint 5 yards, 5 push ups. Back to the endzone 5 pushups. etc.
They normally have to run 30 yards. A total of 215 pushps. If anyone is jogging between pushups everyone has to start all over...that really pisses them off haha.
As far as everyday stuff goes, this year we are introducing the dice system. The first time you are late/miss practice etc. You will roll one dice. What ever comes up, that is how many sprints you will have. Every additional offense you will roll one additional die. So habitual offenders in theory should shape up quite quickly or they will have A LOT of sprints.
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Post by tackle on Mar 16, 2013 21:42:16 GMT -6
When I was in high school, punishment running was done in zero period (6:00am). Varsity lifted Monday, Wednesday. If you were designated to the breakfast club, you had to run laps on JV zero period which was Tuesday, Thursday. Players had to run across the field, around the goalpost and back into the weight room. The goal was to make it a pain in the ass. This was the sleep in day. Breakfast club was for things like tardies, stupid school behavior etc. Major infractions was a loss of playing time.
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Post by gmitts on Mar 16, 2013 22:26:22 GMT -6
We make them do up downs or burpees. I personally like "fall down drill" Basically, start from the endzone line and then sprint. When whistle is blown everyone hits the deck. At which point you tell them what the next "drill" would be. Examples: bear crawl, lunges, crab walk, sprints, linebackers, high knees, quick feet, etc etc. Then either say its on whistle or "hit". AFter the choice was made do said action. Towards the end of the drill start changing the "cadence" or do the wrong one. If they move or get up, they start over at the end zone line. Its a bear and our kids know they messed up if we have to do it.
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Post by realdawg on Mar 17, 2013 6:21:28 GMT -6
Heard coach from Apopka , Fl at a clinic this winter. His big things was "the legs feed the wolf". So he never wanted his kids to see running as punishment. That made a lot of sense to me. So they do bear crawls, crabs, log rolls, etc for punishment but never run.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Mar 17, 2013 6:52:33 GMT -6
Bench them, it's more effective. I agree, however, what if you only have 15-16 kids? I've always thought "next man up" was more effective when I had 30-80, but 15-30 it seems moot bc everyone gets in. |
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 17, 2013 7:43:23 GMT -6
Benching is more effective.
But I also agree with not seeing running as a punishment.
Last year the varsity had a lack of hustle once so we did 25 up downs and started the period over. That got through to them.
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 17, 2013 7:53:33 GMT -6
IMO -Benching is only more effective when its better for the team.
Let me explain this difficult to comprehend approach:
you dont want to paint yourself into a corner, ever.
As stated in many great books on leadership "whats best for the individual is not always the best for the team"- benching a kid might be highly beneficial to him- but not benefit the team at all. Now all the kids suffer because they no longer have the best chance for success. This will kill team morale. Morale is everything.
trust me, its taken me a long time to accept this philosophy but I have learned, If I am losing and cant keep the job, I am not gonna fix anyone - so, fix them after you win. Whats good for morale is knowing that everyone gets treated the same and everyone gets held accountable.
Discipline has to be immediate. Keep it simple. Updowns are quick and easy and can be done anywhere and any time.
we just call it "reminders"
cleats in the building?- updowns on the spot
forgot your duties?- updowns
miss a block? - updowns
loaf?- updowns
fumble? - updowns
disrespectful?- updowns
unsportsmanlike?- updowns
late?- updowns
loafing on updowns? then we give you travelling updowns. (must cover 100 yards, hit it with every whistle) if you loaf, you get more whistles.
If we choose to be lazy, undisciplined and satisfied with losing at football, then I guess we will be good at updowns.
"consequences and reminders"- much more politically correct way of saying "punishment" btw.
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Post by blb on Mar 17, 2013 8:05:04 GMT -6
We are not going to bench a kid unless it's for something serious (unexcused absences, training rule violations, eligibility).
For other issues such as ones 2013 cited, we have a coach assigned to administer MEDs (Memory Enhancement Drills) or give them PIE (Personal Improvement Exercises) post-practice (used to call them "Special Olympics" but afraid that's not PC).
I don't limit him to Updowns, let him be creative in his choice of exercises. But we don't do flat-out running such as sprints, either.
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Post by coachjd on Mar 17, 2013 12:40:01 GMT -6
If they are late they do a Team Maker. Sprint the length of the football field down and back with a up down every 5 yards.
If they miss practice and its unexcused they have what we call P.I.E period. Personal Improvement Exercises.
1 - 300 yard run
1 - Team Maker
pyramid pushups to 7
pyramid jump squats to 7
burpies to 7
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Post by silkyice on Mar 17, 2013 12:54:40 GMT -6
IMO -Benching is only more effective when its better for the team. Let me explain this difficult to comprehend approach: you dont want to paint yourself into a corner, ever. As stated in many great books on leadership "whats best for the individual is not always the best for the team"- benching a kid might be highly beneficial to him- but not benefit the team at all. Now all the kids suffer because they no longer have the best chance for success. This will kill team morale. Morale is everything. trust me, its taken me a long time to accept this philosophy but I have learned, If I am losing and cant keep the job, I am not gonna fix anyone - so, fix them after you win. Whats good for morale is knowing that everyone gets treated the same and everyone gets held accountable. Discipline has to be immediate. Keep it simple. Updowns are quick and easy and can be done anywhere and any time. we just call it "reminders" cleats in the building?- updowns on the spot forgot your duties?- updowns miss a block? - updowns loaf?- updowns fumble? - updowns disrespectful?- updowns unsportsmanlike?- updowns late?- updowns loafing on updowns? then we give you travelling updowns. (must cover 100 yards, hit it with every whistle) if you loaf, you get more whistles. If we choose to be lazy, undisciplined and satisfied with losing at football, then I guess we will be good at updowns. "consequences and reminders"- much more politically correct way of saying "punishment" btw. Excellent |
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Post by jg78 on Mar 17, 2013 12:59:02 GMT -6
I like your acronyms. I need to use those.
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Post by 2adaysfootballcom on Mar 17, 2013 13:11:52 GMT -6
Every 10 They got 10. We Start at the goaline and have them do 10 updowns, they sprint 10 yds and do another 10 until they get to the other side of the field.
We call it Extra Help we are helping the athlete correct his behavior. The team cannot go into the lockeroom until the athlete has served his extra help.
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Post by macdiiddy on Mar 17, 2013 13:49:27 GMT -6
The team cannot go into the lockeroom until the athlete has served his extra help. This is another great way to shape improvement. We had a few kids that were constantly late. So we made everyone except the tardy players do updowns. Those who were late just stood their and watched. The next couple of practice you have the team practically dragging them out, making sure they are out on time. Peer pressure is a powerful tool at times. |
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 17, 2013 13:57:06 GMT -6
"everyone else is gonna have to be in better shape to make up for our weak links" - yeah, peer pressure works.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 17, 2013 14:12:34 GMT -6
I really like special olympics but you are correct, not PC
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Post by coachplaa on Mar 17, 2013 14:16:54 GMT -6
We have the P.I.E wheel. "Personal improvement exercise." For all of those minor irritants, they spin the wheel after practice. Tardies, teacher complaints, forgotten equipment, F-bombs, etc. It is a 18" piece of plywood. We paint 8 spaces on it and fix a spinner on it. Seven spaces are for the fun stuff- bear crawls, crab walks, leap frogs, etc. One space is a free space- kinda like a get out of jail free call. It works great and the kids love to watch it so it polices itself.
If we have a major issue, I'll usually address it individually, plus make the kid spin.
I've also had repeat offenders. If it gets bad, I will make the offender spin while his group does the exercise. I've also threatened to have the whole team to the PIE but I've never had to follow through.
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Post by coachfd on Mar 17, 2013 14:59:09 GMT -6
10-minute wall squats
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Post by sigi on Mar 17, 2013 17:27:33 GMT -6
Players shouldn't be punished by something that is supposed to be good for them, like conditioning. Or exercise in general. I feel the penalty should suit the offense. If a guy is late for practice, leave him on the field while everybody else is showering, then let him go. Or call him to your office and keep him waiting for some time.
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 18, 2013 5:39:53 GMT -6
You dont see the value in conditioning?
Youre late, you need to learn to hustle, work hard, get in better shape, youll hustle.
so, you want to keep a kid after practice...do you realize that many kids hang around FOREVER before their parents ( who are also habitually late) pick them up.
Tell me why the coach should be penalized when a kid is late? Hes late so now I am going to have him in the locker room later? I dont think so.
Each to his own I suppose.
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Post by coachhenry27 on Mar 18, 2013 11:20:11 GMT -6
Just my opinion, but the greatest deterrent we have is playing time. My job is a coach is to make better young men out of my players. To that end the players have to be held accountable. They have a commitment to their teammates. Being late, missing practice, etc. not only hurts the athlete's preparation but also hurts the team. I set my expectations high and I clearly explain to my players those expectations and the consequences for failing to meet them. My policies are simple. If you are late to practice you will not start and will not play for one quarter of the game. I don't put myself in the position of determining if one kid's excuse is better than another's. If you miss practice for whatever reason you will not play for a half of the game. I don't ask the reason for missing. My reasoning is this. If you are late or miss you have wasted valuable practice time and are not as prepared as your teammates who made it on time and to practice. I would rather play someone who is not as athletically gifted but has a higher level of commitment and dedication than a great athlete who is lazy and irresponsible because when adversity hits the committed/dedicated player will find a way to succeed.
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Post by gatemouth on Mar 18, 2013 11:21:44 GMT -6
I've had my most success with making kids "roll", either by laying on their side and rolling up and down the field or making them execute a forward shoulder roll. It makes them nauseous, they quite often throw up, its embarassing and they hate it. It isn't running, it has nothing to do with being in good shape, so a fat kid doesn't get to slop around and half@$$ it. I usually give them some arbitrary time limit (you have to roll to the end of the field and back in 5 minutes etc) to make sure they go fast for maximum queasiness. Last year I actually had a kid QUIT THE TEAM rather than face his punishment. Of course, they let him right back on the team the next day. Then he failed off. Then they found a way to make him eligible. But hey, that's just one of the many reasons I'm not there anymore  |
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Post by fantom on Mar 18, 2013 11:35:34 GMT -6
Just my opinion, but the greatest deterrent we have is playing time. My job is a coach is to make better young men out of my players. To that end the players have to be held accountable. They have a commitment to their teammates. Being late, missing practice, etc. not only hurts the athlete's preparation but also hurts the team. I set my expectations high and I clearly explain to my players those expectations and the consequences for failing to meet them. My policies are simple. If you are late to practice you will not start and will not play for one quarter of the game. I don't put myself in the position of determining if one kid's excuse is better than another's. If you miss practice for whatever reason you will not play for a half of the game. I don't ask the reason for missing. My reasoning is this. If you are late or miss you have wasted valuable practice time and are not as prepared as your teammates who made it on time and to practice. I would rather play someone who is not as athletically gifted but has a higher level of commitment and dedication than a great athlete who is lazy and irresponsible because when adversity hits the committed/dedicated player will find a way to succeed. So a kid who misses for his Grandma's funeral is the same as one who skips out to get laid? |
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 18, 2013 11:51:50 GMT -6
Problem with using playing time is more than one layer deep.
If I do everything right and still dont get to play- and the late kid only lost a quarter of his time- whats the motivation again?
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 18, 2013 12:08:27 GMT -6
We try to avoid using running as "punishment", so we take attendance each practice, tardies only count as 1/2 and we reward kids that are above certain benchmarks... takes care of a lot of stress just because they want to be in the following groups:
1) Letter - must be over 90% attendance (we don't excuse anything... if you are not there, you don't get credit. Gives them 2-3 'excuses' max in a season)
2) Food lines - Lineman with 100% for the week eat first, non-lineman with 100% eat second, then the rest
3) Highlight Video - must be over 90% for the year to receive free... pay if you aren't.
4) Offseason we select equipment and jersey numbers based on offseason S&C attendance
Reward instead of punish...
When we have competitions at practice the 'losers' will do one extra sprint, or one extra set of something, but we don't use it as 'punishment', we tell them that if we are losing, you will have to run at least one more sprint or shed one more set of blocks because the other team is going to try and run the clock out, so we need to be able to do one more sprint or set than the 'winning' team... They seem to buy in more that way.
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Post by coachhenry27 on Mar 18, 2013 12:21:10 GMT -6
Just my opinion, but the greatest deterrent we have is playing time. My job is a coach is to make better young men out of my players. To that end the players have to be held accountable. They have a commitment to their teammates. Being late, missing practice, etc. not only hurts the athlete's preparation but also hurts the team. I set my expectations high and I clearly explain to my players those expectations and the consequences for failing to meet them. My policies are simple. If you are late to practice you will not start and will not play for one quarter of the game. I don't put myself in the position of determining if one kid's excuse is better than another's. If you miss practice for whatever reason you will not play for a half of the game. I don't ask the reason for missing. My reasoning is this. If you are late or miss you have wasted valuable practice time and are not as prepared as your teammates who made it on time and to practice. I would rather play someone who is not as athletically gifted but has a higher level of commitment and dedication than a great athlete who is lazy and irresponsible because when adversity hits the committed/dedicated player will find a way to succeed. So a kid who misses for his Grandma's funeral is the same as one who skips out to get laid? |
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Post by coachhenry27 on Mar 18, 2013 12:30:49 GMT -6
The reason doesn't matter. Both kids missed practice. Both are behind everyone else who attended in preparation. Again the idea is to not put yourself in the position of determining who's reason for missing is "legitimate" and whose is not. In my experience the kids are responsible and they will accept the decision because they were informed of the policy and knew the consequences and the reasons behind the policy.
To coach2013. Explain to me why the kid who did everything right by attending every practice, being on time, and working hard is not rewarded with playing time in the first place. He may not be a starter but he definitely could be a key backup or special teams player. I also don't limit myself to one lineup. I truly believe in having my backups play "quality" minutes. They will be put into the game in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters. They will not be limited to playing the last two minutes of a blow-out.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 18, 2013 12:38:46 GMT -6
The reason doesn't matter. Both kids missed practice. Both are behind everyone else who attended in preparation. Again the idea is to not put yourself in the position of determining who's reason for missing is "legitimate" and whose is not. In my experience the kids are responsible and they will accept the decision because they were informed of the policy and knew the consequences and the reasons behind the policy.
Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/58461/punishment-conditioning-ideas?scrollTo=576125&page=1#ixzz2Nuz0fPEf
I do not agree with this logic.
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