tbmckie
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Post by tbmckie on Mar 13, 2013 4:47:00 GMT -6
I try to be cool in the heat of the moment, but I have been around head men that can't keep there composure, mostly talkin game day. Sends a bad message to the kids, I think. What are your thoughts on how to handle or not handle this situation.
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 13, 2013 6:51:48 GMT -6
It's a pain. We had a kid who was a complete idiot, and the perfect coach to pair with him. This happened twice:
The kid would get a 15-yd late hit or UR flag. It was flagrant, and not the first time, even in that game. He'd bitch about it and cuss the ref, so we'd pick up a 25-yd bonus. Then the DC would freak out at the ref and we'd get 25 more. Screaming and swearing would ensue and they'd both get tossed and I couldn't even tell you how many more 25 yd penalties we picked up along the way, There was a lot of arithmetic and the ball would usually end up around the 5, no matter where it was before. To call this frustrating wouldn't begin to describe it, our coach was gifting them a TD.
After that, I developed a policy of physically restraining the DC, but it was embarrassing and definitely set a really bad example and let to many of our discipline problems, and probably explained why I went from a guy on the street to HC/OC in a year and he stayed DC.
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Post by rystaylo on Mar 13, 2013 6:55:40 GMT -6
if u get ejected from a game in my county, you are automatically on a 2 game suspension.
if u get ejected for cursing at a ref, it is a 6 game suspension.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 13, 2013 6:59:55 GMT -6
In OH an ejection costs you $$$, fine of $100 plus a class on anger management 3.2) Coaches Any coach ejected or disqualified from an interscholastic contest for unsporting conduct shall be suspended from coaching in all contests for the remainder of that day. In addition, the coach shall be suspended from coaching for all contests at all levels in that sport until two regular season/tournament contests (one in football) are played at the same level as the ejection or disqualification and shall be fined $100.00. In addition, the coach shall take the National Federation of State High School Association’s “Teaching and Modeling Behavior” course, which must be completed within 30 days of the ejection and can be If the ejection or disqualification occurs in the last contest of the season, the coach shall be ineligible for the same period of time as stated above in the same sport during the following season in the next school year. A coach who has been suspended from coaching may attend the contest, but must be seated in the spectator area and may not give instructions to the players or to the individual who has been assigned to coach the team any time prior to or during the contest including halftime or any intermission. A suspended coach shall not travel with the squad to an away contest. A coach who has been ejected or disqualified for unsporting conduct for the second time shall be suspended indefinitely and required to attend a mandatory conference with the Commissioner at the OHSAA headquarters. The principal of the school shall be required to attend this conference as well. Any penalty shall be determined in accordance with Bylaw 11. It is the responsibility of the local school authorities to ensure this regulation is enforced. When a suspended coach is allowed to participate, forfeiture of the contest is mandatory. This regulation shall apply to all regular season and tournament contests and shall in no way limit the discretionary authority of the Commissioner as specified in the OHSAA tournament regulations. In accordance with Bylaw 8-3-1, the decisions of contest officials are final. |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2013 7:12:53 GMT -6
If I repeatedly got ejected for swearing at an official, I'd be finding a new job.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Mar 13, 2013 11:10:54 GMT -6
I try to be cool in the heat of the moment, but I have been around head men that can't keep there composure, mostly talkin game day. Sends a bad message to the kids, I think. What are your thoughts on how to handle or not handle this situation. Concentrate on yourself, do things the right way. The HC is choosing his destiny, especially this day and age. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 13, 2013 11:18:58 GMT -6
And my go-to thought at the time was that if they'd both laid into the ref simultaneously it would have been one penalty, but because it was consecutive we got two.
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Post by calkayne on Mar 13, 2013 11:27:53 GMT -6
What are your thoughts on how to handle or not handle this situation. Suck it up, let him vent, move on. I expect the players to do the same so it would be hipocritical of me to react in a different manner. |
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Post by davishfc on Mar 13, 2013 11:42:26 GMT -6
It's a pain. We had a kid who was a complete idiot, and the perfect coach to pair with him. This happened twice: The kid would get a 15-yd late hit or UR flag. It was flagrant, and not the first time, even in that game. He'd {censored} about it and cuss the ref, so we'd pick up a 25-yd bonus. Then the DC would freak out at the ref and we'd get 25 more. Screaming and swearing would ensue and they'd both get tossed and I couldn't even tell you how many more 25 yd penalties we picked up along the way, There was a lot of arithmetic and the ball would usually end up around the 5, no matter where it was before. To call this frustrating wouldn't begin to describe it, our coach was gifting them a TD. After that, I developed a policy of physically restraining the DC, but it was embarrassing and definitely set a really bad example and let to many of our discipline problems, and probably explained why I went from a guy on the street to HC/OC in a year and he stayed DC. Was the DC going on his tirade embarrassing? Or you attempting to restrain the DC? LOL! |
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Post by davishfc on Mar 13, 2013 11:43:24 GMT -6
I try to be cool in the heat of the moment, but I have been around head men that can't keep there composure, mostly talkin game day. Sends a bad message to the kids, I think. What are your thoughts on how to handle or not handle this situation. Prepare your resume and interview materials because you could be the next MFIC. |
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Post by fantom on Mar 13, 2013 13:01:43 GMT -6
It's a pain. We had a kid who was a complete idiot, and the perfect coach to pair with him. This happened twice: The kid would get a 15-yd late hit or UR flag. It was flagrant, and not the first time, even in that game. He'd {censored} about it and cuss the ref, so we'd pick up a 25-yd bonus. Then the DC would freak out at the ref and we'd get 25 more. Screaming and swearing would ensue and they'd both get tossed and I couldn't even tell you how many more 25 yd penalties we picked up along the way, There was a lot of arithmetic and the ball would usually end up around the 5, no matter where it was before. To call this frustrating wouldn't begin to describe it, our coach was gifting them a TD. After that, I developed a policy of physically restraining the DC, but it was embarrassing and definitely set a really bad example and let to many of our discipline problems, and probably explained why I went from a guy on the street to HC/OC in a year and he stayed DC. Everywhere I've been the policy has been that only the HC is allowed to get penalties. |
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 13, 2013 13:05:31 GMT -6
It's a pain. We had a kid who was a complete idiot, and the perfect coach to pair with him. This happened twice: The kid would get a 15-yd late hit or UR flag. It was flagrant, and not the first time, even in that game. He'd {censored} about it and cuss the ref, so we'd pick up a 25-yd bonus. Then the DC would freak out at the ref and we'd get 25 more. Screaming and swearing would ensue and they'd both get tossed and I couldn't even tell you how many more 25 yd penalties we picked up along the way, There was a lot of arithmetic and the ball would usually end up around the 5, no matter where it was before. To call this frustrating wouldn't begin to describe it, our coach was gifting them a TD. After that, I developed a policy of physically restraining the DC, but it was embarrassing and definitely set a really bad example and let to many of our discipline problems, and probably explained why I went from a guy on the street to HC/OC in a year and he stayed DC. Everywhere I've been the policy has been that only the HC is allowed to get penalties. Yeah I got kicked out of a JV game once as a HC because 2 assistants got flagged... they got thrown within 3 seconds of one another, I hadn't even had the chance to yell at the first guy before the second flag came out... Ref said bye coach I was not happy |
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 13, 2013 14:38:49 GMT -6
I wasn't so much embarrassed as I was freaking out about how much yardage we were giving away. In retrospect, though, yes. Embarrassing.
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 13, 2013 16:55:36 GMT -6
I tell my ACs not to talk to refs ever. I get disciplined if they do.
That irks me.
Nobody talks to the refs but me is the policy. I do it like this;
"sir, thats clearly holding, did you see that sir, Ill help you with the next one"
and that sometimes gets me into trouble. But its better than "you f#$%^& blind?" from my assistants.
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tbmckie
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Post by tbmckie on Mar 13, 2013 18:27:10 GMT -6
I try to be cool in the heat of the moment, but I have been around head men that can't keep there composure, mostly talkin game day. Sends a bad message to the kids, I think. What are your thoughts on how to handle or not handle this situation. Prepare your resume and interview materials because you could be the next MFIC. Excuse my ignorance, MFIC. Mother Blank In Charge?? |
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Post by davishfc on Mar 13, 2013 18:41:24 GMT -6
Prepare your resume and interview materials because you could be the next MFIC. Excuse my ignorance, MFIC. Mother Blank In Charge?? Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! |
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 14, 2013 17:26:18 GMT -6
I tell my ACs not to talk to refs ever. I get disciplined if they do. That irks me. Nobody talks to the refs but me is the policy. I do it like this; "sir, thats clearly holding, did you see that sir, Ill help you with the next one" and that sometimes gets me into trouble. But its better than "you f#$%^& blind?" from my assistants. I don't talk to the officials about things like bad calls or that kind of crap. Whenever I'm talking to them I'm asking for a player # or a clarification of some kind. Say they flag us for a hold, I'll ask for a jersey number so I know who's getting beat and therefore holding. Stuff like that. I'll also get after the officials if I feel something is happening to endanger one of our players. Player tells me he's getting high-lows from the OL, I'll bring that to the official. I've never had a HC be upset with me for those kinds of interractions with the officials. Regarding a loose cannon HC, you've got to be the exact opposite of him because you don't want to get lumped in with him. You've also got to be ready to exhibit some poise for your players in the event of these blow-ups. |
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Post by gators1422 on Mar 14, 2013 18:06:55 GMT -6
I have been flagged once just this past year. Pretty funny actually, I'm in the box usually so no interaction but we were up big at the half so I came down. The other team punted early in the 2nd half, bad snap punter scrambles throws a completion to #56. That's right #56. No flag our head coach is going nuts saying are you kidding me, then he calms down and talks to the ref calmly. The ref drops a flag, me thinking he realized #56 caught the ball, but no our coach said some not so nice words. I thought he threw the flag on the other team started clapping right in front of the ref saying good job, apparently he thought I was mocking him, reaches in his pants pulls out another flag (that's right #2) and slams it down. Pretty funny looking back. Same crew allowed them to run 3 plays with 12 kids. Couldn't figure out how they had is out flanked. Lol
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Post by justaballcoach on Mar 19, 2013 13:23:20 GMT -6
It sounds like yall have some flag happy officials in your neck of the woods.
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Post by gators1422 on Mar 19, 2013 20:41:35 GMT -6
It's frustrating, yes we might be up by alot but we are still coaching our guys up. The refs sometimes act like we shouldn't coach our kids because we're up by 28 points. Those young kids need to know missing an assignment isn't ok. Regardless of the score it's a mindset that they need to be their best on every play.
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Post by pvogel on Mar 20, 2013 9:35:41 GMT -6
It's frustrating, yes we might be up by alot but we are still coaching our guys up. The refs sometimes act like we shouldn't coach our kids because we're up by 28 points. Those young kids need to know missing an assignment isn't ok. Regardless of the score it's a mindset that they need to be their best on every play. This. I hate when refs try to take the score under their control. Its not your job to keep the score close. Thats on us. Bdud- I'd be livid. That's hilarious in a terrible way. But back to the original post- yeah you just have to be the opposite. Ying to the yang and all that. Especially if the HC is a loose cannon towards the kids (in unfortunate situations). |
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