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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 10, 2013 13:01:11 GMT -6
I was thinking about how to put healthy weight on some of our players but was wondering if it is even possible to get them to change their diets positively. Watching all of our kids period after period destroy hot cheetos and what ever pop or sugary drink they can get their hands on and come from home with fast food and junk food as breakfast/lunch/post school snack I am starting to think that there may be way too many variables to control it.
Has anyone had success at least altering the diets or is it an uncontrollable and energy would be focused elsewhere? I just hate thinking our players main fuel is a garbage reincarnation of junk food that stains their fingers red.
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Post by RENO6 on Mar 10, 2013 13:06:57 GMT -6
GREAT TOPIC!!
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Post by coachks on Mar 10, 2013 13:16:27 GMT -6
I was thinking about how to put healthy weight on some of our players but was wondering if it is even possible to get them to change their diets positively. Watching all of our kids period after period destroy hot cheetos and what ever pop or sugary drink they can get their hands on and come from home with fast food and junk food as breakfast/lunch/post school snack I am starting to think that there may be way too many variables to control it. Has anyone had success at least altering the diets or is it an uncontrollable and energy would be focused elsewhere? I just hate thinking our players main fuel is a garbage reincarnation of junk food that stains their fingers red. Alter. Yes. Change. No. You can get kids to make some simple changes: Getting them to drink more milk and getting them to bring PB & J are two things that can be done with only a moderate amount of hassling. For the most part you are fighting a losing battle trying to get them to eliminate junk food.
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Post by davishfc on Mar 10, 2013 13:18:42 GMT -6
I would start small and have them eliminate pop/soda from their diet. Present research on it as detrimental to their performance. Just continue to sell the kids on how negative it is for them. Ultimately, I think the key is being realistic and starting small. This would be a battle I would take on. Modifying their entire diet while good, I think is setting yourself up for failure. There has to be an area you can invest your time into for a greater return. JMO.
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Post by Coach.A on Mar 10, 2013 13:22:06 GMT -6
I've managed to change a few, but only those that take my phys. ed. classes. The classroom setting gives me the opportunity to fully explain the topic in detail and show them the benefits of eating healthy.
I teach Dr. Berardi's 10 habits of healthy nutrition as a baseline template then make modifications (if necessary) depending on their goals.
Like with many things, I think we can only help those that want to be helped. That being said, most kids don't even realize they're eating poorly...many kids think they're eating healthy because they drink diet pop or Gatorade, and eat granola bars.
Perhaps the biggest issue is that kids don't see nutrition as a means to an end. I guess most adults don't either.
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Post by 33coach on Mar 10, 2013 13:24:39 GMT -6
i dont think so,
college or pro? yes.
highschool or lower? no, their diet is controlled by their parents (or lack of)...it would be VERY VERY difficult to change that.
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 10, 2013 13:27:55 GMT -6
It is possible.
Educate them.
Educate their parents.
Hound them at lunch.
We feed them after workouts too.
We feed them after some practices and before games.
You need to, most of all, educate them. Let them understand that 80% of their results from workouts is due to proper nutrition.
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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 10, 2013 14:30:34 GMT -6
i dont think so, college or pro? yes. highschool or lower? no, their diet is controlled by their parents (or lack of)...it would be VERY VERY difficult to change that. That is my concern, not that it is much different in different socio-economic areas but we are a city school with not much adult oversight. Even if there was, I can't imagine many parents making a wholesale change because their son wants to put on muscle mass/maximize performance. I like the idea of at least giving them information so the things they do have control of they can make wiser decisions.
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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 10, 2013 14:36:16 GMT -6
It is possible. Educate them. Educate their parents. Hound them at lunch. We feed them after workouts too. We feed them after some practices and before games. You need to, most of all, educate them. Let them understand that 80% of their results from workouts is due to proper nutrition. During the season we feed them on Thursday and Friday after school and before the game. I will definitely put the information out there, with the positive returns of making some different choices, they would probably respond to that better as with anything else. Give them a "selfish" reason to change. May ask the other coaches if there is a way we can incorporate education in to all of our athletic programs/better stress it in our health and PE classes. I know our district is making a push to change the offerings at lunch and have changed to all diet/zero drinks in the machines but those damn cheetos and taquitos are still the number one thing our kids go for. I know our header talked about getting chocolate milk outside the weightroom for post workout and we only allow water during so that is one step. Thanks guys.
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Post by fantom on Mar 10, 2013 14:42:25 GMT -6
i dont think so, college or pro? yes. highschool or lower? no, their diet is controlled by their parents (or lack of)...it would be VERY VERY difficult to change that. Until we do the shopping, cooking, and serve their meals all that we can do is provide information and hope that some of it gets through as far as their snack choices go. That goes for the college and pros, too. It's amazing how many college players skip the training table and head straight to Mickey D's. Some pros are even worse.
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Post by coachplaa on Mar 10, 2013 14:56:12 GMT -6
We are fortunate to have a coach on staff that is a foods teacher. He always keeps milk and protein powder on hand. Our poor kids come in before school and down a big glass. They do this throughout the year. He also has peanut butter and jelly, and bread on hand. Our teacher used to fund it himself, but then our booster club stepped up and funded it. I think there are at least 5-10 boys in our program that take advantage of it daily.
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Post by 33coach on Mar 10, 2013 15:03:04 GMT -6
We are fortunate to have a coach on staff that is a foods teacher. He always keeps milk and protein powder on hand. Our poor kids come in before school and down a big glass. They do this throughout the year. He also has peanut butter and jelly, and bread on hand. Our teacher used to fund it himself, but then our booster club stepped up and funded it. I think there are at least 5-10 boys in our program that take advantage of it daily. thats awesome, ive heard of a few coaches doing this. great way to ensure SOME level of nutrition
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 10, 2013 15:09:40 GMT -6
I'll ditto the notion that we can alter, they have to change.
You've got to educate them on what to eat, when to eat, and how much to eat. You've got to tell them why it matters and how it benefits them. Lastly, you've got to tell them ALL THE FREAKING TIME.
You can't put the proper foods into their parents' grocery bags, but you CAN give them handouts/packets/papers to take home and read and potentially share with their folks.
It's a big deal, for sure, and requires great effort on your part to make an impact. But you can only do so much before they have to take the torch.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 10, 2013 15:40:44 GMT -6
www.ohsaa.org/medicine/drugpolicy.html"In order to minimize health and safety risks to student-athletes, maintain ethical standards and reduce liability risks, school personnel and coaches should never supply, recommend or permit the use of any drug, medication or food supplement solely for performance-enhancing purposes."
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 10, 2013 16:15:14 GMT -6
www.ohsaa.org/medicine/drugpolicy.html"In order to minimize health and safety risks to student-athletes, maintain ethical standards and reduce liability risks, school personnel and coaches should never supply, recommend or permit the use of any drug, medication or food supplement solely for performance-enhancing purposes." The word "supplement" and the phrase "performance-enhancing" are the parts that are left to interpretation, which is where the danger comes in. If I drink a chocolate milk after working out, I am supplementing my diet AND enhancing future performance. Or, I just like chocolate milk. We can safely make assertions on things they could do better, such as "You need to ingest some quality protein within an hour of working out". If you say something like "You need to ingest this MyoProPerformance Bar after working out", then you are exposing yourself more.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 10, 2013 16:29:04 GMT -6
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 10, 2013 16:54:11 GMT -6
I think the only way to have success doing this is like some have mentioned above, providing cheap nutritious food to your players For a while i was buying PB and J for the kids... but I was spending a ton of money and bought a new car so I need to be a little tighter with my money... at least until my rap career takes off I wish I could buy protein powder for all the kids but it is not allowed
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Post by coachplaa on Mar 10, 2013 17:18:19 GMT -6
We are going to keep doing it. I work at a school that has an 80% free or reduced lunch rate. I have boys that live on cup of noodle and Mac and cheese. They get no type of protein in their normal diet except what they get from free meals at school. So if we can help these kids with peanut butter, milk, and chocolate milk protein powder; than we are going to do it. We don't make it mandatory, and we don't push it; we just have it available for kids that really need it.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 10, 2013 17:22:58 GMT -6
Food is fine, I think protein powder can be a gray area.
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Post by coachplaa on Mar 10, 2013 17:29:11 GMT -6
I'll live in the gray area of helping kids.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 10, 2013 17:39:25 GMT -6
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Post by 33coach on Mar 10, 2013 17:42:18 GMT -6
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Post by John Knight on Mar 10, 2013 17:51:15 GMT -6
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Post by coachplaa on Mar 10, 2013 17:54:26 GMT -6
We use a muscle milk chocolate protein mix, so I think we are OK.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 10, 2013 17:57:34 GMT -6
I am just saying if it is that regulated in ncaa (not banned in ncaa anymore but regulated to less than 30%) then you are really putting yourself out there by providing it for high schoolers. JMHO 1. Permissible Substances: This refers to the group of items that may be provided to a student athlete by a university. They include vitamins and minerals, energy bars, calorie replacement drinks (with less than 30% of the calories from protein), and electrolyte replacement drinks (Ex: Gatorade and Powerade). The key here is the proteincontent. Institutions cannot provide products in which greater than 30% of the calories per serving come from protein.
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Post by coachplaa on Mar 10, 2013 18:13:51 GMT -6
Thank you for your concern. Our foods teacher talks to our kids and their parents about it.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 10, 2013 18:30:42 GMT -6
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Post by Coach Huey on Mar 10, 2013 18:32:33 GMT -6
Noted. Now move on. Let people post. Thanks.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 10, 2013 18:47:24 GMT -6
God bless, maybe I should print out all these documents and hand them out in the elementary schools I work in on Fridays to the kids that we give bags of food to for the weekend just to make sure they have food in the house. If you have ever coached or worked in a school where there is wide spread poverty then you know sometimes the survival of the kids takes more importance than some stupid document or by-law of an organization. I am sure people who are giving stuff to kids who really need it would tell you the same thing, when it comes to the overall well being of the kids then screw the by the book approach.
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Post by 33coach on Mar 10, 2013 18:49:10 GMT -6
God bless, maybe I should print out all these documents and hand them out in the elementary schools I work in on Fridays to the kids that we give bags of food to for the weekend just to make sure they have food in the house. If you have ever coached or worked in a school where there is wide spread poverty then you know sometimes the survival of the kids takes more importance than some stupid document or by-law of an organization. I am sure people who are giving stuff to kids who really need it would tell you the same thing, when it comes to the overall well being of the kids then screw the by the book approach. agreed coach, i would gladly take any punishment that could fall on me for that, and know that i was doing the right thing.
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