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Post by khalfie on Nov 24, 2006 23:37:49 GMT -6
Arkansa lost to LSU...
Texas lost to Texas A&M
Oregon State beat Oregon...
Now, if I recall correctly... O-states big victory was over... Texas? HMMM!
Everyone was discounting USC's lost to who... Oregon State... HMMMM!
Arkansa Lost to LSU... has to play Florida... is the SEC really the toughest conference in the Nation? HMMM...
O-state and UM have been touted as the best in the nation... why? Because it just seemed right!
What about the other teams that didn't have the benefit of playing a weak Big 10 schedule... Florida... USC...
What about them? shouldn't they get a shot at the mythical National Championship?
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Post by saintrad on Nov 24, 2006 23:46:49 GMT -6
i think they should... never thought Ohio State should have been considered a top team
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 24, 2006 23:55:08 GMT -6
Timing is everything! If USC roughs up Notre Dame then they should get to play Ohio State. If USC loses, and Florida beats ups on Arkansas, then the Gators should get the big game by virtue of Notre Dame's loss to Michigan early in the year.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 25, 2006 7:43:27 GMT -6
The BIG problem Michigan has right now is they are done...no games this week. So, last week, the general consensus was they should get another shot at OSU because they played the Bucks tough...well, this is college football! What have you done for me lately, Wolverines?
Today promises to to be a great day of college football...USC-ND and Florida-Florida State have HUGE BCS implications...my guess is that around 11PM tonight, the BCS picture will be much more clear.
I think that the ONLY chance Michigan will ultimately have to replay OSU is if USC loses to ND AND Florida either loses to FSU today and then loses the SEC championship game.
What about ND? Does ND get a shot if USC and Florida get knocked out? Does the big loss to Michigan completely discount ND?
So...if USC wins today AND Florida wins out, here's what I think the Top 5 will look like:
1 - OSU
2 - USC
3 - Florida
4 - Michigan
5 - ND
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Nov 25, 2006 10:02:20 GMT -6
yeah and Oklahoma should be right up there in the mix as well, if we hadnt gotten screwed by the refs, and the reply ref said that he knew that Oklahoma recovered the ball.... here is the article off of ESPN sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2673577Just thought I would put in my Okie 2 cents!!! |
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Post by jdwatters on Nov 25, 2006 10:41:13 GMT -6
Look, this is all I'm saying.
Out of all the one loss teams out there, UM has the "best loss", regardless if you think Ohio State is "over-ranked" (I don't see how you could, but whatever). And even if you think the Big 10 is soft (and by soft I hope you're not referring to the fact that 7 teams are Bowl-Eligible from the conference), it still is a very respectable conference, maybe not as good as the SEC, but its the same as the Pac-10 and it is better than the Big 12, ACC, etc. I just think it doesn't matter if it would make the Nat'l Championship Game a rematch, because UM is the #2 team in the nation.
THAT BEING SAID...
I have listened to and read some very good and interesting arguments this past week, and I am open to the idea that if USC wins out they should play for the Nat'l Championship. UF to me isn't convincing yet, but depending on what they do today and next week I may change my opinion. ND to me should be out of it no matter what. So I am going to wait and see what happens today and hopefully it clears everything up.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 25, 2006 11:08:21 GMT -6
So...if USC wins today AND Florida wins out, here's what I think the Top 5 will look like: 1 - OSU 2 - USC 3 - Florida 4 - Michigan 5 - ND i dont think ANY 2 loss team should be considered in the TOP 5, so when ND loses it should drop out compeletely |
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Post by wildcat on Nov 25, 2006 11:19:34 GMT -6
So...if USC wins today AND Florida wins out, here's what I think the Top 5 will look like: 1 - OSU 2 - USC 3 - Florida 4 - Michigan 5 - ND i dont think ANY 2 loss team should be considered in the TOP 5, so when ND loses it should drop out compeletely Whoops! I missed that...good eye, Saint! |
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Post by poweriguy on Nov 25, 2006 15:01:04 GMT -6
It should be Boise State.....
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 25, 2006 20:07:37 GMT -6
Although the Broncos looked good against Nevada and the "Pistol", Boise State ain't no BCS team this year!
As I write this - it's only the second quarter and USC is making Notre Dame look like the same team that Michigan crushed! 21-3 right now.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 25, 2006 21:07:44 GMT -6
what is the criteria people are using for the "best conference" arguement? what criteria is being dissected to determine which conference is "better" than another conference?
is it bowl eligible teams?
is it number of ranked teams?
is in non-conference record?
just curioius how one could definitively say this conference is better than that conference --- thereby, degrading a team's ranking or chance to acheive a bcs bowl...
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Post by jdwatters on Nov 25, 2006 23:29:58 GMT -6
After watching the USC-ND game I will be the first to say USC is the real deal. They completely dominated ND, as Lou Holtz said after, "It's one of those games where the other team just straight up beats you." Or something to that effect...
So Khalfie, I do concede that if USC wins out, they do deserve to play for the Nat'l Championship. I don't know if they would win, but they have convinced me they deserve the right.
Florida is another story. Yes I think the SEC is the toughest conference in the nation, but Florida's wins are just so..mediocre. FSU is on a down swing this year. Even going into Talahassee UF should expect to win by 14..or more.
I think if both USC and UF win out, USC should win out and go. However, I still would argue that if USC were to lose, UM should still go ahead of UF.
Huey you asked how to determine the toughest conference? I have no idea either. I would just casually argue the SEC is the toughest, but I don't think the Pac-10 is any better than the Big 10, and both are better than the Big 12. Just my opinion..
Coach Watters
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 26, 2006 10:13:49 GMT -6
bowl eligibles:
SEC = 9
Big 12 = 9
ACC = 8
Pac-10 = 8
Big 10 = 7
Big East = 6
teams ranked in ap top 25:
SEC = 5
ACC = 5
Big 12 = 3
Big 10 = 3
Big East = 3
Pac 10 = 2
alot of other data still to look at ... but i just don't see a noticeable difference between these teams & conferences. looking at the "all teams" rankings and will still take some time to dissect it, but it doesn't appear that all the data fully supports what the media has told us.
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Post by knight9299 on Nov 26, 2006 10:35:15 GMT -6
PLAYOFFS! PLAYOFFS! PLAYOFFS!
My math is horrible here goes again: 32 team play off. Every conference gets 2 automatics. ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Big East, SEC, Pac 10, C-USA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt, Wac. That's 22 automatics. None of the conferences can complain equal representation. But ol' Notre Dame is left out. So we tack on 2 more autos for Indie. That's 24 teams. 8 bids left. Here's how we solve that. The 8 bids left go to any team that is ranked in the top 25 by the writers poll but did NOT get any automatic bid from their conference. Bids go from best to worst. This way a #25 team doesn't get in over a #11 team. Break the 32 teams up into regions. 5 games. And there will be ZERO confusion over the who is the National Champion. The bowls are still around. 85 teams didn't make the playoffs. But using the same bowl eligible system those non-playoff teams can still go play in the Black & Decker bowl so ESPN has something to show on Wednesday nights in December. The other bowl sponsors can sponsor playoff games. Payouts for playoff games would work just like bowl games.
Give me some time and I'll flesh out how it would look for this year..
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Post by los on Nov 26, 2006 10:50:03 GMT -6
USC helped themselves, Florida has hurt themselves the last 2 games to me- playing a smaller school late in the season and the squeaker vs fla. st., OSU is still the best out there to me, UM proved they can be competetive, but a 4-6 team playoff for the Championship would make a lot of sense this season? I also agree that "theres no toughest conference any more", getting out of any major conference with only 1 loss says a lot! Then you got OU, 9-2 OR 10-1? los
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 26, 2006 11:57:04 GMT -6
If you truly look at things with an open mind - USC (if they win out) deserves a shot at Ohio State. Even though Michigan played the Buckeyes pretty darn tough, OSU earned the right to NOT have to play them again. If USC loses to UCLA, I would have to say that Florida gets the nod due to playing in a "tougher" SEC. If both USC and UF lose ... I guess the only logical choice is Michigan. Funny how it ends up - Sorry OSU - I guess you have to play them again!
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Post by coachpoe on Nov 26, 2006 12:30:17 GMT -6
USC proved itself to me last night, and while I still think Michigan is better if USC wins out they deserve to play in the title game. As for UF, they just haven't impressed me. I would put both USC and Michigan ahead of UF, but that might not matter as Arkansas is a very good football team who could eaisly beat UF.
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