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Post by tigerpride on Mar 5, 2013 13:09:16 GMT -6
Just wondering what type of crap you guys have to put up with??? Here's one example Due to the increase in concussions, our district feels that all helmets (and shoulder pads) should be fit by our local helmet rep. That takes the responsibility away from me, but do I have to call the company rep every single time a new kid joins the team? Now, I actually called the helmet rep and asked if there was a class or certification or training I could take and his response was that I was probably more suited to fit the helmets than he was. I used to think that i was in the business of football and football players. I am 30 years in and now I cannot properly fit a helmet or shoulder pad? ? Thoughts?
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 5, 2013 13:14:06 GMT -6
I wonder if the all of the screen time kids are getting makes them more sensitive to concussions. We never ever had this kind of constantly "concussed" injury that kids today seem to have. And dont give me the whole "its diagnosed now" garbage because I coached at places where the only medical staff was me.
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Post by jsk002 on Mar 5, 2013 13:30:15 GMT -6
I disagree, I do think that concussions are diagnosed, handled and treated better than ever before. I also think that this is a good thing and not a bad thing. I believe that this is probably as big factor of a factor as any into increased concussions in the game of football. It isn't the only one - but I wouldn't dismiss it off hand. I also think that football players are getting bigger, faster and stronger and as such impacts are growing. This more so probably in the college and NFL ranks than high school. Maybe, time in front of the screen might be a factor might not be - I don't know. But I don't that would be a primary factor.
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Post by fantom on Mar 5, 2013 14:02:34 GMT -6
Just wondering what type of crap you guys have to put up with??? Here's one example Due to the increase in concussions, our district feels that all helmets (and shoulder pads) should be fit by our local helmet rep. That takes the responsibility away from me, but do I have to call the company rep every single time a new kid joins the team? Now, I actually called the helmet rep and asked if there was a class or certification or training I could take and his response was that I was probably more suited to fit the helmets than he was. I used to think that i was in the business of football and football players. I am 30 years in and now I cannot properly fit a helmet or shoulder pad? ? Thoughts? What's changing is administrators.
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Post by gdn56 on Mar 5, 2013 15:00:41 GMT -6
I guess I have no problem with the initial decision. They are thinking outside the box to try and promote player safety. I think the logistics should be raised, because as you said, there must be a plan in place for new athletes, etc... I think the reality is that something about the current system is not working. Whether that is improper equipment or a lack of training, etc, I do not know, but I really can't fault them for trying to buck the status quo. So if they want to try something to hopefully fit the kids for equipment better, the person whose livelihood depends on being knowledgable regarding football helmets seems to be the logical choice. The fact that he has expressed a lack of comfort in fitting the helmets is the scary part of this equation.
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Post by coachjm on Mar 5, 2013 17:52:49 GMT -6
This is all about administrators bucking responsibility. I see this more and more everyday in our field of education, people will hire a third party expert to fulfill a duty if it works out (less concussions in this case) the "educational leader" will state how they brought in "experts" and this is why. If it doesn't work out (more concussions) then they can blame the third party and not have to except responsibility. Fact is you the coach is the "expert" that was hired to properly fit kids in equipment. You are responsible that they are as safe as possible. Acknowledging there is an inherent risk in all things including football. Unless it could be proven to me (which I would welcome and be open to) that someone else had superior knowledge and qualifications in fitting equipment it is my obligation to do it. When I find this person in my local community or within our retailers that we work with I will encourage them to do this for us as they have superior ability.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 5, 2013 19:56:03 GMT -6
Just wondering what type of crap you guys have to put up with??? Here's one example Due to the increase in concussions, our district feels that all helmets (and shoulder pads) should be fit by our local helmet rep. That takes the responsibility away from me, but do I have to call the company rep every single time a new kid joins the team? Now, I actually called the helmet rep and asked if there was a class or certification or training I could take and his response was that I was probably more suited to fit the helmets than he was. I used to think that i was in the business of football and football players. I am 30 years in and now I cannot properly fit a helmet or shoulder pad? ? Thoughts? We had this at my previous school and I actually really liked it... here's why: not only did he do a good job fitting kids, but we basically got anything we needed (wanted) in terms of helmets and shoulder pads due to the "need for safety". It seemed easier to get money for new stuff when the helmet rep said this kid "needed it". Every year we got a lot of new, high quality stuff. Former players who went on to play at small colleges all told me we had much better stuff then they were issued in college. I chalked that up to having the Riddell rep fit our guys (and my persistence). I'm actually trying to get that installed here (and I can do it too... 22 years as a coach- but I don't have access to brand new helmets and shoulder pads). There could be a silver lining in this...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 12:32:55 GMT -6
We get our helmets fitted in this way. I don't know the exact policy, but for us it's a one day thing. If the kids can't make it the day the helmet rep is fitting, they miss out on the opportunity. And, to get the kids there, we sell it as an opportunity to have it professionally done. Out of 90 players, I think 80some took advantage of this last summer.
To me, if the person doing the fititng is qualified, there is no reason to not do it. But, it seems like the qualifications of the rep doing it are the issue in the original post here...
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Post by irishdog on Mar 8, 2013 13:44:26 GMT -6
Have done it both ways. As a coach I fitted my players most of the time (35 years). Until recently, while coaching in a public school district, I was told our sales rep had to fit the helmets. So...I told all the athletes playing football they HAD to be there the day the rep would be there if they wanted a football helmet (for spring and summer). I also had the rep return the week before we started in August to fit the incoming freshmen, any new kids, and those few returning players who missed in the spring.
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