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Post by pantherpride91 on Jan 8, 2008 8:49:49 GMT -6
I was wondering how many of you guys film your practices?
What are the pros/cons from doing this? Do you find the time to sit down at home and watch a two hour practice every night?
Anyone just film two-a-days?
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Post by amikell on Jan 8, 2008 9:10:22 GMT -6
this year we filmed a few practices. We would only film the team sessions, so there really wasn't much THAT much film to go through. We filmed two-a-days, a few weeks early in the season, and our playoff practices. We have DSV and live captured, so breaking down the film was VERY simple and only took 2-3 minutes. The presentation window w/ a cowboy also makes going through film quick and efficient.
The biggest problem we had was finding time to set everything up in the 30 minutes between the end of school and the start of practice. It doesn't help that our practice field is about a 1/3 mile from the field house. I'm also not to the point where I trust a kid with the whole set up, so I had to set up the tri-pod, computer, camera, etc.
In the playoffs, we practiced on our game field, so that made the time much easier to deal with.
We always watched film right after practice. We almost always meet after practice to set the next day's schedule or just harass each other, so film really didn't add much more time to the day (if any).
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Post by ajreaper on Jan 8, 2008 9:23:15 GMT -6
Sorry their is a con. It is more work and pressure on all the coaches. You are going to film practice at all three levels then you will review it daily? You have much to learn grasshopper. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 8, 2008 9:31:03 GMT -6
the team manager does it, or an injured player does it.
Tape ALL (or near all) team time. Most Group time, and maaaybe some indy stuff (if you are going to correct fundamental flaws).
Kids learn a ton from video review.
Coaches can get some real insight from watching performances when not being emotionally involved.
I would seriously have problems if I didn't film practices, because I feel it short-changes us in terms of decision making and evaluation.
I am not sure the 'cons' are legitimate enough excuses to not do it.
Now in terms of how you show it to the kids....don't waste time going through the entire thing. Cut it up and show them at the most 5 minutes worth...otherwise it turns into entertainment. Keep it short and to the point.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Jan 8, 2008 9:44:32 GMT -6
When would you show the practice film? Is this a thursday thing or a 20 minute after practice period?
Anyone show it on Saturdays with other film reviews or is this just overkill with too much film and no attention from players?
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Post by cjamerson on Jan 8, 2008 10:03:59 GMT -6
We did this and it was great. Mostly during 2-a-days...but we occasionally filmed during the season. Mostly just team Offense and our Pass under pressure stuff. Really helped improve our offense and my understanding of our offense.
During 2-a-days, we watched the entire team session with our indy groups. Typically took 30 minutes or so to watch...had the kids grade themselves.
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Post by gregspahn on Jan 8, 2008 10:29:41 GMT -6
I agree with some eariler posts. Tape TEAM time, maybe skelly or inside run, possible indy time to correct errors. It also serves as a CYA if/when parents complain about playing time.
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Post by brophy on Jan 8, 2008 10:34:13 GMT -6
I dont want to show the kids. I want to use it to coach my coaches. and to make sure that what is being taught is what I WANT TAUGHT. I dont mind hard work. but football is not work. work is doing something because you have to, I coach because I want to. I can watch football all day everyday and not lose an ounce of sleep. ill lose my mind but I could do it. coachjerk, where and what do you coach? i might like to visit. |
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 8, 2008 10:56:49 GMT -6
Filming practice and the subsequent viewing of it is one of the best coaching tools I have ever employed. Even though I was at a small school with no budget I found a way to get some scaffolding high enough to get the job done. It was especially helpful in showing the kids how they took plays off and did lazy things/poor technique.
I am at a much bigger school now and I am very surprised we don't film practice.
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Post by rebelfootballcoach on Jan 8, 2008 11:46:36 GMT -6
We filmed practices this year and it made a huge difference. Makes everyone more accountable. We watched 2x per week with our players. We would have the cameras ready everyday. Generally we would film group & team sessions however if a coach wanted some indy stuff filmed than he would just tell the filmer. Filming practice also keeps the motivation higher as players will see right away mistakes they are making and corrections that need to be done.
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Post by rideanddecide on Jan 8, 2008 11:52:50 GMT -6
For those of you that don't two platoon, when and how often do you show practice film?
Also, not meaning to be a smart ass, but is cutting up practice film that much more important than seeing your kids at night? I'm all for hard work, but in order to be a dad and teach (which is what pays the bills) something has to go.
I'd love to find a way to film, cut, and utilize practice film, just not smart enough to make it fit our schedule.
Any ideas?
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Post by realdawg on Jan 8, 2008 11:52:52 GMT -6
We filmed some 7 on 7 and team-our biggest problem was finding people to tape for us. Often when we were on varsity D, I (OL coach) would do the taping, and the DC would tape the O. We have 3 camera men who volunteer on game night but they cant make it to practice.
Another related topic-with limited time for video viewing (say 30 min. a day) is it more important to watch practice film, or to prepare for the next game by viewing film of your opponent?
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Post by coachviking on Jan 8, 2008 11:58:47 GMT -6
We film O/D/K from Tue and Wed practice.We watch it the next day (coaches on their own time in school). It makes for error correction easy. Sometimes we show the kids if it is a glaring mistake. Inside and perimeter if need be.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 8, 2008 12:58:01 GMT -6
Get the Parents and non football playing students involved. It does not take a lot cut up film. it takes some time. but time is something you can get volunteered. It is my limited experience that there are lots of people who want to be involved without putting in all the time you do. ok where do you live, i think i might need to move there i cant get support from any parents other than my own(lil brother plays on the team) let alone parents of kids who dont play football |
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Post by brophy on Jan 8, 2008 13:13:39 GMT -6
Get the Parents and non football playing students involved. It does not take a lot cut up film. it takes some time. but time is something you can get volunteered. It is my limited experience that there are lots of people who want to be involved without putting in all the time you do. ok where do you live, i think i might need to move there i cant get support from any parents other than my own(lil brother plays on the team) let alone parents of kids who dont play football what do you currently do to offer individuals the opportunity to do so? I doubt many folks are beating down coaches doors to help, because they haven't been provided an opportunity. Cutting up film. how long is your team period? 30 minutes? You only begin taping when the play is ready to run....so each play is going to be about 4 seconds. You will probably get in 50-70 plays completed in team. That is roughly 5 minutes worth right there. Just run the footage and keep what you want and burn it to a DVD that night....maybe take you 30 minutes max. Just have something to review with the kids (bullet point) right before you step onto the field the following practice. Seeing how what you do in TEAM is a reflection of what you'll face on game night, you are essentially killing two birds here - technique issues & specific scout/game plan issues. To be efficient, you have to be specific. an example......filming both group & team, you're gonna end up with like 10 minutes of film if you're lucky. Chop chop....done. Maybe an HOUR at the max to chop up with written notes. near the middle of this film is our practice TEAM film.....very basic. Filmed by an injured player [gvid]8935791140681619890[/gvid] The best part (IMO) is that because you establish a "film-view" vantage that your player routinely see, they know exactly what you are looking for if & when they have to be the one filming it (which wasn't always the case). It helps them see how everything fits together. also, IMO filming 2-a-days doesn't seem to do a lot. You really aren't doing much but installing basic stuff and working drills, right? What is there really to film? Film is used to critique, illustrate, and correct performance & execution. Nothing more. If you film 2-a-days, why wouldn't you film regular season team sessions? If you are scripting your sessions, you can go as far as to say " On play #5, I want a tight shot. On play #9, I want an isolation on the 'Z'...etc" then hand the filmer your practice (play) script detailing the offensive & defensive play you are going to run. Again, keep it efficient and eliminate all the variables |
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Post by rideanddecide on Jan 8, 2008 13:54:08 GMT -6
Thanks Brophy, that's helpful.
I could definitely find time to burn to dvd and pull a tv into the locker room area.
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Post by wlfootball on Jan 8, 2008 15:14:57 GMT -6
I'll echo most of the other posts... team sessions, 7-on-7, Indy (if we're having problems). Usually pre-season into the first few weeks... by that time if you're still having serious problems, have your wife hide the knives and firearms!
Another "pro" for me... I find that it helps my brain/eyes keep up with breaking down film. I don't get much time to watch cut-ups in the spring coaching baseball...
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Post by cspaulson on Jan 8, 2008 15:29:04 GMT -6
We film every practice. A manager films and at the end of practice when the kids are stretching we have a coach go make copies onto DVDs. All coaches take these home and watch practice. It really doesn't take all that long. We also have OC, DC, and OL coaches with planning period during lunch so our kids come in during their lunch to watch the previous day. We usually get about 15-20 good minutes of film with the kids and they enjoy eating with each other.
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Post by airman on Jan 8, 2008 15:48:39 GMT -6
I think if you watch too much film it effects you. especially watching too much film of your opponents. all of a sudden your oppenents looking so good and then you don't look so good. it sets a strong hold in your mind.
while I am not a big fan of Gagliardi at St. John's, I do respect his stance on film adn tendencey sheets.
If i were to film, it would be ourselves.
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Post by fugulookinat on Jan 8, 2008 17:38:12 GMT -6
We film every practice, inside, pass skell, and team. We have a "Video Coordinator" who gets a stipend each year to handle all video duties. We have high school kids film practices and games. There are usually plenty of kids that want to be part of the team and are willing to help.
Coaches watch practice video as soon as practice is over. The kids come in and watch it the next morning before school. It doesn't take much time to do. It is an absolute must to video practice if you want to be successful. JMO
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Post by KCoach on Jan 8, 2008 18:55:44 GMT -6
We film practice once a week during the season. Tuesdays and Wednesday are our work days and Tuesdays we have a little more offensive time (I'm the O-Coordinator). I got a former player who is at a local community college to come out on Tuesdays and tape our inside hull, outside hull, and Team. Since we do offensive team first on Tuesdays I'm able to take the film in and get it into a watchable format before our kids get in. Once it's broken down it's pretty quick. we use our daily script to know what play is coming up. I would love to have more time but it's enough and it works with our schedule.
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Post by k on Jan 8, 2008 22:19:41 GMT -6
We did some practice filming last year. I'm an advocate of filming every team offense/team defense session.
Last year we didn't even have a team manager. Our freshman filmed the games for the most part. This year we've got both a team manager and a video specialist. Our manager and the video guy are going to split duties taping practices/under classmen games/away games and both will go to homegames one to do endzone one to be on top of the booth filming).
Our video guy is going to be taking an independent study in athletic filming where he will be doing all of our film production.
Here is hoping it goes well...
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Post by ajreaper on Jan 8, 2008 23:41:19 GMT -6
I dont want to show the kids. I want to use it to coach my coaches. and to make sure that what is being taught is what I WANT TAUGHT. I dont mind hard work. but football is not work. work is doing something because you have to, I coach because I want to. I can watch football all day everyday and not lose an ounce of sleep. ill lose my mind but I could do it. LOL, you are just getting into or trying to get into the profession. Filming daily to check up on your coaches is not going to sit well at all with most. It's about letting coaches coach and it's about trust. No HC's is going to have time to review daily practice tape from every level nor will assistants appreciate the daily scrutiny- treat them like professionals. Drop by practices, watch games and perhaps go over some game tape with them but daily viewing of practice tape to check up on your coaches is one thing that could lead to needing to hire coches often IMO. |
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 9, 2008 4:19:43 GMT -6
I was wondering how many of you guys film your practices? What are the pros/cons from doing this? Do you find the time to sit down at home and watch a two hour practice every night? Anyone just film two-a-days? I cant say enough about the value of filming practice. It will give you so many "extra eyes" that its not even funny. You will be shocked at how many things can otherwise go "unfixed"...its worth it. |
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Post by revtaz on Jan 9, 2008 6:20:26 GMT -6
I would love to film every practice. Even if it is just the team/group sessions and the installs of the indies. I think it would be the best way to make kids aware that WE SEE ALL!!!
I have never not known of filming anything on the football field being detrimental to the team. Very important in terms of game breakdown and technique break down.
Taz
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Post by rideanddecide on Jan 9, 2008 7:21:08 GMT -6
When you film practice do you run team and correct on film?
Or do you stop team sessions to make necessary corrections and/or "Run it again!"?
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Post by morris on Jan 9, 2008 9:22:39 GMT -6
So where do you guys film from? Do you film behind the O during O and D during D? If you could only get 1 view what would it be?
We could do it film ground level and some from a press box. I guess we could get a ladder but not sure how well that would go over.
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Post by brophy on Jan 9, 2008 9:36:31 GMT -6
we used to do it from the back of a pickup truck.......
if you can get (insured) with scaffolding - GREAT
but anything is better than nothing.
With performances, it is never as good as we remember it, and never as bad as we recall......WATCH THE FILM.
But again, I think you have to do it with a purpose - not just shooting from the hip....
script the practice sessions (this play at this sequence)
script the film session (on this play, film THIS)
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 9, 2008 18:34:40 GMT -6
When you film practice do you run team and correct on film? Or do you stop team sessions to make necessary corrections and/or "Run it again!"? This is a great point. I got so frustrated at my last gig. We would film practice, and yet our pace would slow to that of a drunken snail (much slower than a sober snail) because coaches didn't grasp the concept of TEMPO. They just had always "run it again...run it again...On this play..you got this..you got that...run it again..." in the past, so they couldnt get in the habit of moving on |
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Post by airman on Jan 9, 2008 18:44:53 GMT -6
We film every practice, inside, pass skell, and team. We have a "Video Coordinator" who gets a stipend each year to handle all video duties. We have high school kids film practices and games. There are usually plenty of kids that want to be part of the team and are willing to help. Coaches watch practice video as soon as practice is over. The kids come in and watch it the next morning before school. It doesn't take much time to do. It is an absolute must to video practice if you want to be successful. JMO i disagree with you have to film in order to be successful. I know a guy how has won 3 state championships and 2 runner ups. they film nothing. they do watch a lot of film of the teams they play. |
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