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Post by cc on Jul 9, 2006 16:59:24 GMT -6
For your qb in a 5 yard shotgun do you have the center spiral the ball back???
I saw two teams today that had the center hold the top of the ball and get a dead ball back there to the qb.
Thoughts?
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Post by sls on Jul 9, 2006 17:15:47 GMT -6
We are 90% gun and I have never really coached it up other than to say "keep your hips down" I give 4 lineman (9, 10, 11, and 12th grader) a ball and tell them that if one of them wants to play "become perfect". I am sure there are some guys that do a great job coaching it up, but this has worked for me.
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Post by sls on Jul 9, 2006 17:57:02 GMT -6
We are 90% gun and I have never really coached it up other than to say "keep your hips down" I give 4 lineman (9, 10, 11, and 12th grader) a ball and tell them that if one of them wants to play "become perfect". I am sure there are some guys that do a great job coaching it up, but this has worked for me.
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Post by mikewdw on Jul 9, 2006 21:06:28 GMT -6
we have done spiral but not because i think it is better, it just seems easier to me to coach the center to just grip like he was thorowing a pass and with a little work it goes right there. never really thought about it any other way. what did you think about the snaps you saw?
mikewdw
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 9, 2006 22:34:19 GMT -6
Something to consider when working with shotgun- what do you want out of the snap? When we go gun, we are single wing- our center is basically the QB- he acts as the QB pitching to the TB with the snap. If you are shotgun spread, snapping to one QB who is executing a dropback, the snap doesn't need to be as quick. Sorry I have no definitive answer... most SW teams use a spiral for the reasons I stated above, plus they snap to multiple backs. Most spread gun teams (I've seen) use a dead snap. There are, of course, exceptions. When we go gun (Single Wing), we have a dead snap because: 1) we are at 3 yds., 2) it is easier for our current C (I teach both ways in about 10 min and tell him to do it so it gets back there without problems... whatever is easiest) 3) in our SW we really only snap to 1 guy who is directly behind the center (were we to offset with 2 backs, I would probably spiral)... and for us the dead snap is easier to execute/receive. For us spiral/no spiral doesn't matter... it just needs to be belt high or below (my personal opinion as a HS and college deep-snapper... a spiraled snap is tough to execute the snap and then block after if you slow down the snap... which I felt I had to do on FGs, and those were 7, not 5 yds. You give up some precision with a dead snap, but I do feel it allows the C to get his hands up quicker to block (follow through is not nearly as extensive on the dead snap).
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Post by cc on Jul 9, 2006 22:34:27 GMT -6
They looked easy to handle for the QB.
They came at the same speed, tumbled just a bit. But pretty much a quick ball with no rotation sprial or end over end.
I wonder if its easier to handle. I know some teams like option pitches, shovels, and of course tosses to have no spiral or little tumble...so I guess it makes sense...
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Post by realdawg on Jul 10, 2006 4:41:50 GMT -6
We too are 90% gun, and I dont coach the center on the snap at all except like someone else said, "keep your hips down." If I get a kid who is trying to play center who cant snap in the gun, than he is not a center, he is a guard or a tackle.
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Post by wpialoline on Jul 11, 2006 19:58:37 GMT -6
My center has very small hands and can't grip the ball well when it is cold or wet so he puts the nose of the ball in the palm of his hand with his middle finger running down the laces. I got the idea from a guy who was center in a single wing offense. His snaps were always accurate even though it obviously lost some acceleration.
The QB's seemed to acutually like the dead ball after a longer period of time
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Post by spreadattack on Jul 11, 2006 20:30:45 GMT -6
Someone once told me a story that when Marino was in the gun back in his heydey he had his centers practice their snaps and the ball rotation to the point to where when the ball hit his hands his fingers were already in the laces.
Don't know if that's true but I've never gotten that good with my centers! Supposedly they had it down to like five spins or something. I'm just happy when it's not in the dirt or over his head
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Post by coachm on Jul 12, 2006 9:36:53 GMT -6
we turn the ball so the laces face to the right (our QB is RH). we hold the ball so it tilted up toward the center at 45 degrees with the seam facing up, so as our index and middle finger are on either side on the up facing seam and the heel of our hand is at the back nose. we tell our center to keep the snapping arm stiff and don't extend the hand past his legs so he has a short, stiff arm motion like a pendulum swing. we get very little long axis turn on the ball and little or no rotation. this gets us the laces near the fingers on catch and is an easier ball to handle since there is little or no rotation. good for direct snap to RB to handle as well.
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Post by coachjblair on Jul 12, 2006 9:43:43 GMT -6
I personally like the spiral snap due to the fact I think more centers can control that type of snap compared to just the dead ball. I also would think the spiral would get to the QB faster due to the fact the ball is usually traveling with more force.
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