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Post by chickenhawk on Feb 11, 2013 17:31:02 GMT -6
I know this isnt football related, but i was wondering how other schools are catering to their athletes that play baseball and run track... This seems to be an ongoing battle between the spring coaches trying to share athletes and creates tension. Any good ways to share the athletes? we havent come up with a working solution.
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Post by piratefootball on Feb 11, 2013 19:48:27 GMT -6
I'm assuming you are talking about weight training? If so, do you have weights class or any other resources at your disposal?
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Post by CoachHess on Feb 11, 2013 19:57:45 GMT -6
Get them in a weight class. Make sure you or one of your coaches runs the weight class. Lift on a regular schedule all year long, so coaches cant complain when you lift on the day of a basketball game or track meet or whatever. That way your kids still get a solid lift and can play all the after school sports they want.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 11, 2013 20:01:46 GMT -6
This is what I am attempting to do ...
Tomorrow is day 1 so I will let you all know shortly how well it goes this week.
Our weight program sucks... no weight/football class, kids dont want to lift, no commitment, I am the only coach... a lot of problems
Anyway I called a big meeting Friday with all the kids interested in football, I ran it in the announcements for over a week and had them announce it over the loud speaker
I selected 6 seniors who are potential captains
I took all of the kids who signed up and split them up into teams, each of those 6 seniors is a captain. Attendance is taken daily, if they are playing another sport they get 1 point per day. But if they lift too they get 2 points.
Winning team gets a party, a t shirt, and the winning captain/leader gets whatever cleats they want in the world, keep their jersey, free spirit pack
That is their incentive to be on their teammates and get them there everyday
I have told every kid who isnt playing another sport that they HAVE to do track... I do not know anything about track but now I am the strength coach for track and field
The lineman will throw, all skills will run.
We warm up together, lineman lift while skills run, then lineman go throw while skills come in and lift (helps us because our weight room is SMALL)
That is how I plan to handle lifting/running for all track kids and kids who aren't in spring sports.
For the few baseball and volleyball kids we have, they usually finish their practice at 5:30. I told these kids I will stay until 6:00 so they still have time to lift... and earn double points for themselves and their team
Vb coach will be fine, friend of mine and I was his JV VB coach last year... he understands lifting.
baseball coaches tell kids not to lift so I am currently searching for data/research I can use to defend myself because I know in a matter of days/weeks they will start complaining about how its bad to lift in season
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Post by CS on Feb 11, 2013 20:01:55 GMT -6
I think he is just talking about both going on at the same time. I tell my kids they can't do both. Not a "can't" share kinda thing just that they miss a ton of practice and if they are runners they always come to games to sore to run. Just doesn't work
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 11, 2013 21:45:52 GMT -6
I totally misread that the first time I looked
my bad
I have seen the following done... it worked out well for everyone but it was because the track coach and my baseball coach were coworkers as PE teachers... coached football together, and were good friends off the field
they didnt have egos and just wanted kids playing sports
We had a couple baseball guys who ran as well
Baseball games every tuesday/thursday - non negotiable of course they played
track meets every wed - non negotiable of course they ran
Monday and Friday the 2 coaches would just talk, tell each other what the kid had to work on that day and it was done... usually the kids would come to baseball... throw in the bull pen if they pitched, get some ground balls/fly balls, maybe hit a little
then theyd go run, sometimes the switched it up and ran before coming to baseball... just whatever the 2 coaches decided was better for the kid that day
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Post by 20x on Feb 12, 2013 21:12:12 GMT -6
The state I coach in doesn't start high school baseball until May so we only have little overlap. However, I am the head baseball coach. My varsity doesn't start practice until 5:15, just to make sure that the kids can do both for the month. The track coach has postponed his departure for the state track meet so I can practice. No matter what I think we should do our best not to make kids choose if at all possible. I know there are going to situations that just don't work and the kids HAVE to make choice. Communication is key, in our situation my baseball program would win the majority of the kids if they had to make a choice. I am not out to destroy the track program the better the track program the more successful our entire athletic program is.
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Post by PSS on Feb 12, 2013 21:27:34 GMT -6
I'm the DC and Head Track coach. The OC is the Head Baseball coach. We share kids with no problems. They go to track right after school and get their running workout in, usually 45 to 55 minutes. Then they go to baseball practice.
I run the dog out of them, he runs the dog out of them. He probably runs them as much as I do. Both programs have been successful. I don't understand why any of you would want to keep a kid from doing both. I have seniors that have been doing both throughout HS.
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Post by dbcoach19 on Feb 12, 2013 21:44:24 GMT -6
Baseball absolutely kills us. Baseball coach doesn't want them lifting during the season whatsoever. I understand near games and with pitchers, but it sucks losing those guys for a few months. We try and do agility training with them when possible, but it's hard convincing some kids to show up even then because baseball is 6 days a week minimum. I understand where they are coming from, it doesn't seem like a lot to a coach, but to a teenager it can be too much. Absolutely love baseball, played as a kid, but it doesn't bother me one bit when a kid doesn't play baseball and runs track or lifts instead.
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Post by PSS on Feb 12, 2013 21:56:11 GMT -6
Again, I know we are different in Texas because we have an athletic period, but our baseball coach makes his kids lift. We have an Universal Offseason, all athletes go through the same workout. His JV will lift on game day. The only lifting day his varsity misses is Friday, because we lift MWF.
Does this make the program less successful? Not at all, in fact our BB team has been in the playoffs several times.
It helps to have a football coach as your baseball coach.
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Post by dropdux on Feb 12, 2013 23:13:57 GMT -6
Baseball absolutely kills us. Baseball coach doesn't want them lifting during the season whatsoever. I understand near games and with pitchers, but it sucks losing those guys for a few months. We try and do agility training with them when possible, but it's hard convincing some kids to show up even then because baseball is 6 days a week minimum. I understand where they are coming from, it doesn't seem like a lot to a coach, but to a teenager it can be too much. Absolutely love baseball, played as a kid, but it doesn't bother me one bit when a kid doesn't play baseball and runs track or lifts instead. Every time I played baseball while sore from doing cleans--I hit one out. It was an odd phenomenon--especially for a lead-off hitter. I played baseball in college & coached baseball and I am a fan of lifting in season. When I knew I was going to pitch--I took it easy. We changed our lifting to high rep lower weight in season. O |
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Post by irishdog on Feb 14, 2013 8:50:31 GMT -6
Must have an AD and coaches who have a football background, or people on staff who see the value in athletic strength and conditioning for athletes, or a combination of both. Everyone must work together, especially in a small school where the athletes are shared, it is the only way an athletic program and its individual sports programs can achieve success, and thrive in a very competitive market.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 14, 2013 9:57:36 GMT -6
Baseball absolutely kills us. Baseball coach doesn't want them lifting during the season whatsoever. I understand near games and with pitchers, but it sucks losing those guys for a few months. We try and do agility training with them when possible, but it's hard convincing some kids to show up even then because baseball is 6 days a week minimum. I understand where they are coming from, it doesn't seem like a lot to a coach, but to a teenager it can be too much. Absolutely love baseball, played as a kid, but it doesn't bother me one bit when a kid doesn't play baseball and runs track or lifts instead. Every time I played baseball while sore from doing cleans--I hit one out. It was an odd phenomenon--especially for a lead-off hitter. I played baseball in college & coached baseball and I am a fan of lifting in season. When I knew I was going to pitch--I took it easy. We changed our lifting to high rep lower weight in season. I have had a similar experience. I played so much better while lifting during the season or even lifting that morning and playing that afternoon. I have even had some baseball players request lifting the morning of a game. I do have to disagree on the lower weight/higher reps though. To me that is exactly what makes me sore and tired. High reps use too much energy. I sometimes think coaches have this backwards. Low reps/high weight keep you strong and powerful without buring much energy so you can stay fresh and not as sore. |
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Post by mrjvi on Feb 14, 2013 11:33:18 GMT -6
silky beat me to it. Low weight high reps is the exact opposite of what you should do IMO. That is more like bodybuilding which is what our baseball coach THINKS we do. Doing a 5-3-1 to a 95% single will take far less out of you than higher rep and set programs which are actually very un-baseball specific. Baseball is very short, explosive activity and the training should reflect that.
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Post by 20x on Feb 16, 2013 9:53:16 GMT -6
We lift on game days and we follow the program that is set up by the people in town that run our strength and conditioning. Our kids initially complained and some parents did too but they have gotten over it after see our results both physically but also on the field.
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Post by amthd45 on Feb 16, 2013 18:05:36 GMT -6
Majority of my career this has been an issue.
1. Have weight training as a class. Everyone will then be happy to lift rather than sitting in 6th pd French class.You gotta haave this Coach or it will be an uphill battle.
2. If you run a good weight program and the kids start to see their shirt sizes getting bigger, they see themselves getting stronger then they will MAKE the time to lift. I have had kids "Sneak" in lifts even when the baseball coach told thenm not to do so.
3. I have come to a definite conclusion in the places I have coached though.....teams that share athletes (i mean a majority of the kids play more than one sport, not just 2 or 3 kids) DONT win state titles. Now this is what i have seen in the places I have coached. NOT saying it can be done, matter of fact I would LOVE to hear somebody on here to prove me wrong with a success story here in recent times. Years ago it coudl be done, but now a days sports has become so specialized.
My current school I work at, basebal rules and they not only slack off from lifting from Jan-June, but then in the summer they play summer league baseball too. I dont get them till August. I get them from August to December. While every other team we play has single sport kids that are just destroying us every friday night..
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Post by holmesbend on Feb 17, 2013 21:22:46 GMT -6
We have 3-4 that do both.
You're also talking to a guy here who's noseguard this year was also the 2nd leading scorer on the soccer team this year. He wanted to do both, was worried he couldn't and I figured we would be better having 1/2 of him than none of him at all. So, he came to football practice on Def days (wednesdays), part of Thursdays practice (before he had a soccer game), and started at nose on Friday nights. By the way, he was voted 1st Team All-District too (which included a district of our states Class 3A State Champs 5 out of the last 6 years).
Anyway, these kids make it work. Best of all, the coaches allow for it to work. The sacrifice? They just know they can't compete in as many events. Kind of like my soccer/football kid. Wanted to play soccer? That's fine. But, lets be realistic...you'll probably only be able to play one side of the ball.
As far as lifting, our Strength/Conditioning Coach in football is also an assistant baseball coach, so they lift twice a week in season. He's damn good, too. I played all through college at two different schools, and he's the best I've ever been around. Our football/track guys who don't have our S/C Coach in class during the day lift on Monday's-Thursdays after school and practice solely on Track on Tues/Wednes/Friday. On day's they have meets, we make sure an switch up their workouts accordingly.
Small, rural, county school here in KY. Have to do what we have to do.
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Post by holmesbend on Feb 17, 2013 21:26:12 GMT -6
^^^ I might add to this, also. I'm more concerned that our skill kids get on the track. Obviously, they need both the weight room and the track to get faster. But, I'm a lot more concerned that my stud RB gets a step faster than puting 25 lbs on his bench press. Is what it is.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 18, 2013 0:55:50 GMT -6
Most guys think light weight, high reps that's best in season, they won't get sore
You get sore from "time under tension"
you get more time under tension from
more reps
more sets
more overall volume (doing more lifts per body part, body builder style)
I try to decrease their overall workload and make it more intense
I have a freshman who will likely play varsity football this year, he plays JV baseball and they practice at another field(which I think is stupid)
He can't get a lift after school so I steal him from his normal PE class and let him work out with my class. I have him do our explosive lift of the day, our strength lift of the day, and one accessory
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