Colt Brennan 548 yards??

love that "product of the system" label ... what the heck does that mean? aren't all players a "product of the system" in which they play? i mean, would barry sanders have gained 2,000+ yds if he had played for june jones @ hawaii? probably not -- although he would have easily gained yardage as he was a hoss. however, because he played at OSU, he was a "product of the system" in that they preferred to run the ball. Likewise, because barry was good within that system, they increased the number of times he was utilized (carried the ball) .. i.e., he was a product of the system.

Brennan might just try to hold his while he's sleeping.

Sorry, I had to. They both have no pro future, so it really doesn't matter who's better.

don't have the stats in front of me ... but, someone surely does...

look at them. was it just a "name" of run-n-shoot or did those guys actually throw the ball 60% the time or more -- (i.e. the connotation of "run and shoot" is a "chunk it around" offense)
or, was barry's results a "product" of what his offense did? spread the field and create running lanes for him??

haha ... i'm just saying that pretty much EVERYONE is a product of the system. those that excel within a system are either a) extremely talented or b) understand the system and how/WHY it works ... sometimes being an "a" means you are also a "b" ...

now, some guys that are "b" never really pan out in other systems because they aren't "a" AND they never fully mesh with what the system calls for -- whether a like of time in the system, lack of effort to adapt, lack of coaching to achieve both

also, why are "product of the system" guys pretty much ALWAYS quarterbacks? i can't think of a single running back that has been labeled as a "product of the system" ... nor a LB or left tackle ... etc.

heck, i WANT my qb's to be a product of the system ... seems like that is a good thing for me and my teams

I agree with what you are saying. However, there are some that say pretty much every running back that has done well at Denver and that has moved on to other places never did well at those other places. Denver has a knack for finding those backs that do well for them and don't do so hot other places.

But to me, that is the exception to the rule.

Amen

Same with Alex Smith - Took him a year to recover from the daily baes shotgun. Brennan could be a second day pick, although he is in the heisman race this year. But I agree there are better QB's out there, it is not the only thing to throw for 500+ you have to be a great leader in the NFL too

someone please define "product of the system"

because, it would seem to me that we are all looking at a person's stats and saying "they're a product of the system" and meaning it to be that they COULDN'T run any other type of offense. be realistic, would brennan throw for a gazillion yards if he played at penn state? of course not, because the penn state qb's are "products of the system" and that system doesn't ask them to do that. does that mean he couldn't function in the penn state offense? of course not -- perhaps, he may even "tweak" the system in that joe-pa throws it a few more times a game. likewise, if you took penn states qb and he started for hawaii, it is very, very conceivable that his passing yardage would go way up, possibly even mirroring that of what brennan is doing there now. why? because it is the system -- if that penn state qb did throw for all that, does that mean anything negative towards joe-pa's offense or his qb coaches ability? of course not.

so, if you are looking at stats to determine the product of the system, that is correct. because EVERYONE is a product of the system. stats are not what is going to get brennan drafted (or not drafted). stats and phrases like "product of the system" are things the media and fans love to throw around (like about 1,000 other cliches & cute catch phrases). take a look at a players physical attributes, etc. before saying "products of the system can't make it in the nfl" --- 'cus if that were the case, then NO ONE would be playing in the nfl

not to down play the excellent game by colt brennen but B.J. Simons at texas tech averaged 475 yd a game passing and as a team tech averaged over 500 yds a game passing that year. BJ was not a great athlete or strong armed. he knew what to do and tech worked to his strengths. none of the tech qbs have ever done anything in the nfl

when some one says he is a product of a system, who cares. the system obviously works for the college level. this to me it the nfl looking down. see the nfl is so boring, I cannot find the time to watch it. it is a family tree which does not branch. the inbreeding in the nfl is so bad, the make the guys in diliverance look normal.

this is why I like college football. all the different philosophies. I know steve spurrier's time in the nfl is considered a failure. but after listening to him speak and tell how crazy the nfl is, he was glad to get out.