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Post by flexspread on Oct 22, 2007 9:19:38 GMT -6
As the season is ending and some of us are reevaluating what we are doing (as seen in other's posts) I would like to ask what type of offensive system would you run if you have the following ability for next season:
4 returning linemen, one large one the other three are small and slow. The 5th one will probably be very undersized.
A Soph. QB with a smart head, an ok arm but slow feet (but runs hard and has good size).
A TB that has good quickness but very small
A fast WR with pretty good hands.
Two other marginal TB with not very good hands but probably the next two best athletes.
A handful of kids with ok speed and no hands.
At times it feels like we can't block, run, pass, or catch. I'm just curious to see what other people would do to try and give this group their best opportunity to win.
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 22, 2007 9:22:12 GMT -6
I know you are using this board for input and ideas, but YOU are the best one to evaluate your kids. You see them every day on the field and in the weightroom. You know their character and their heart. Don't forget to factor those components into your decision, along with what you actually know how to run! Good Luck.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 22, 2007 9:31:55 GMT -6
Id take a hard look at running what I knew fit my athletes best and a system that I felt I could coach and everyone on staff would buy in, not just for one year but to give the program an identity.
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Post by flexspread on Oct 22, 2007 9:32:28 GMT -6
I completely agree, I am just trying to get ideas of what others would do with this talent. I am a big fan of adjusting my offense to fit my talent, I am just at a bit of a loss right now and am looking for ideas to hammer through during the long off season.
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Post by dubber on Oct 22, 2007 9:42:14 GMT -6
I am a big fan of adjusting my offense to fit my talent, . IMO, putting in a new scheme is not an adjustment. If you put in a new scheme, are you planning to run it for the next 10 years? A good why to decide if "it is time to change", is to look at the teams from the last 5 or more years. What did you typically have athlete wise? Where were your strengths? weaknesses? A very good question: Is the experience (which equates to execution) in the current offense outweighed by a different scheme's ability to fit my athlete's abilities. If not, then tweak it a little, don't make wholesale changes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 9:50:06 GMT -6
One thing comes to mind...THEY MUST FEAR THE VEER!
Duece
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Post by brophy on Oct 22, 2007 10:09:56 GMT -6
ouch....man, it sounds pretty bad.
What about the underclassmen?
Just some other ways to evalute it
1) What defenses do you face in your conference (and what type of athletes would you be up against)?
2) Slow linemen and bad footed QBs?.....work on your punt team
3) The "hands" thing can be taught (easily) just like tackling can be taught....the bad feet, can't be corrected as easily..........GET YOUR OFF-SEASON WEIGHT ROOM IN ORDER....and you won't have the cupboard so bare anymore.
4) What do you run now, and how much of an adjustment would it take to expose the common weaknesses of the answer to question #1
5) sometimes just being DIFFERENT is enough for 1 or 2 wins (no-huddle, screens, swinging-gate stuff)
6) HC, Coordinators sit down and watch the tape a week or two after the season and evaluate where and why the misfires were a result from (athleticism? mental errors? out-athleted? concepts?) How can you eliminate this next year?
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Post by spreadattack on Oct 22, 2007 10:21:34 GMT -6
What do you run right now? What drills have you been doing everyday that fit towards what you have been doing?
I ONLY recommend starting over if your program is at a cross-roads and you need an offense that is more flexible than whatever you do now. If that is what you are going to do I would suggest doing a lot of research and finding something flexible, dynamic, and easy to teach (because you will be new to it). These considerations go in opposite directions.
Sounds like you've got to transform your kids in the offseason and in next fall with your football skills, and you need a framework. Again, I reserve what kind of advice I'd give.
I recently consulted with a coach who wanted a switch and, based on what they had done before and what he had been doing he actually ended up installing an adjusted double slot offense of all things. Worked quite well with him with the base inside spin series and the wings going around. He mixed in a little jet with some formation adjustments, and could even run a little "spread." He had a nice gun package with his base double-slot stuff as well. Ran two protections, 6-man slide and 7-man BOB.
But there was more overlap with what they had done previously than it sounds, but just before they had no framework.
Anyway, this is all unhelpful. These threads all have a kind of running theme, instead of chicken or the egg it is coach or the system. I don't know. Coaches come up in systems, they gravitate to them, and they know them. Urban Meyer woke up one day and decided to be a spread gun-option coach. He may have been successful otherwise, but it is no doubt it has made him both very successful and very rich. And he's done it at three different schools. I've seen the same thing with other programs.
I think of Randy Walker at Northwestern as the best example. He overhauled his offense, but repeatedly talked about how the underlying schemes were the same ones he had done since he was at Miami of Ohio. So again, we see the tension: do something new and flexible but is easy to teach and consistent with what went before.
Good luck?
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Post by lsuguy1 on Oct 22, 2007 11:29:34 GMT -6
maybe fly sweep with your fast running back.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 22, 2007 11:37:54 GMT -6
Watch "We are Marshall"  VEER!! WingT isn't a bad choice either. But, as other coach's are saying. Run what you know, call plays based on your personel |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 22, 2007 11:48:04 GMT -6
Personally, I'd just find as many ways to get my quick TB the ball. I'd line him up in the backfield and in the slot
1.He'd get the ball backfield on Isos, offtackle power, TB counter GTs, and toss sweeps. I'd also hit him on a easy screens- TB screen away from sprint out comes to mind.
2.From the slot, I'd get him the ball on jet sweeps, rocket sweeps, bubble screens along with 4-5 easy short routes (hitch,out slant, arrow).
If you can't get much production between the tackles, don't be afraid to spread and use screens and the short passing attack.
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Post by CVBears on Oct 22, 2007 13:19:50 GMT -6
I like the comment of keeping your system but calling plays to fit your athletes. If your current system won't allow that, then change the system.
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Post by flexspread on Oct 22, 2007 14:18:36 GMT -6
I do need to say that currently we have a very good athlete at QB, but he is a Senior so this post was in regards to what I can try next year. We are a spread team that uses a lot of screens and quick passes to the two best WR and try to get our QB and TB in the holes as quick as possible. At the start of the season we had 2 more WR that were pretty good and two linemen that were pretty good but 2 of those four guys quit and the other 2 got injured for the season and are questioning coming back out. We've done some no huddle and this past week we set up this offense:
WR--LT-----------------------LG---C---RG----------------------RT--WR
--WR---------------------------------------------------------------WR
-----------------------------------QB--RB
With the Tackles on the #s. The whole idea was to try and create space in the middle of the field so the TB and QB could have as few obstacles in their way as possible. At times it worked well and we didn't have to change any of our schemes to fit into it so we can still use this with our regular spread stuff in this week.
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Post by goldenbear76 on Oct 23, 2007 1:08:58 GMT -6
That is the polecat offense. I myself have secretly started playing with an offensive system, using it. Interesting that you went gun with it. I always have everything drawn up undercenter..but you use a RB, mine I use a Fullback.  . |
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Post by tedseay on Oct 23, 2007 2:24:53 GMT -6
I'm just curious to see what other people would do to try and give this group their best opportunity to win. Coach: Been there, done that, this was the end product: savefile.com/files/19173 |
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Post by flexspread on Oct 23, 2007 11:17:09 GMT -6
I had to go out of shotgun with it due to my QB having a broken left hand and a cast on. He can catch the ball fine out of gun because he can use his fingers.
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 23, 2007 11:37:41 GMT -6
I agree with Brophy's comment about looking at doing something different from the rest of your conference. Just that along can help create an identity for your program and enhance their development.
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Post by tedseay on Oct 24, 2007 10:54:44 GMT -6
I had to go out of shotgun with it due to my QB having a broken left hand and a cast on. He can catch the ball fine out of gun because he can use his fingers. OK, in that case: savefile.com/files/30429 |
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Post by coachdawhip on Oct 24, 2007 20:49:01 GMT -6
Refine your spread, don't crap it. You know you have one good WR, do you have a 2nd if so you can throw in the spread and you already know this.
Small Line,where does your best linemen play and what type of running game do you currently use?
And what run play has been the most successful this year.
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Post by rbsuknow on Oct 24, 2007 22:30:24 GMT -6
coach, we were in the same position this year. So our HC/OC deceided to change our offensive scheme. we were a I IV/OV option team. this year we change to the Spread. his reason for this was b/c we had smaller linemen that could pull. BUT we had no QB or a RB that could run. We scored 2 TD in our 1st game and then not again until week 4. we gave up an average of 53 ppg in the 1st 5 weeks. we averaged 4 first downs a game in those first five weeks.
so week 6 the HC/OC calls me in his office on Monday and says "i want you to take over the offense" so now i'm like "{censored}" but then he says that I can go back to running the I. basic plays trap, power, toss, iso and counter, but we didn't run counter the last 3 weeks. to make a long story short we scored at least once everygame on and won our last game 34-26 with 22 firstdowns.
so if i were you i would stick with what you know best and are able to teach to your kids best. work your butts off in the weightroom and do a bunch of agility and quickness drills for those slow linemen and RBs. don't change to something b/c you think it will be a quick fix. do what you do best. set small goals for your kids. i know we made a huge mistake by changing, but live and learn i guess.
i know we will be working our butts off in the weightroom and trying to get faster.
good luck this off season coach. i know where you are coming from
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