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Post by irishdog on Feb 3, 2013 9:16:10 GMT -6
Wow. This is getting really deep. I may not be as astute in knowledge as many of you, but thankfully I've coached long enough (40 years) to have fully developed the "five" senses (touch, hear, see, smell, and "horse"). I have coached hundreds of players, and a number of coaches in that 40 year period. I've also been "coached" by some of the best teachers of the game. The common message they gave me was to honor the game by always teaching and playing it by the RULES! I will continue to teach my players AND coaches the game according to the rules. I will enforce the rules, and expect my coaches to do the same. I will praise all of them when they follow the rules, and there will be consequences for any of them if the rules are broken. I enforce those rules at ALL times, in meetings, at practices, and at games. Whether they are on offense, defense, or special teams - or on the varsity, JV, B, or freshmen teams. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for many "coaches" AND "officials" who continually find ways to break, circumvent, enforce, or turn a blind eye toward the rules of the game - for whatever reason (including MONEY!!). If we want to see this greatest of all team sports to flourish it is up to us to make it happen. Always has been, always will be.
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Post by blb on Feb 3, 2013 9:18:37 GMT -6
Sometimes we, as Football coaches, are our own worst enemies.
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Post by brophy on Feb 3, 2013 9:30:06 GMT -6
I think you are missing the point of all the coaches that seem to be on the opposite side of this issue. what side am I on, though? If we all believe in researching effects and ensuring safety, aren't we agreeing? This does not need some silly congressional inquiry or the President opening his mouth about something of which he has no idea.... because they don't see the reward, and because they are the inteligencia, they then owe it to the small minded of us to change the game for us. I must be missing something, but who here has suggested what you've written? So he and several others vented their frustration with their own personal decisions through the courts, and juries of their piers took great joy in rewarding them millions because the owners of these mines had to be bad people. They were rich. We see the same thing now. Look at how many people want to side against the owners simply because we have been conditrioned to believe that old white guys in suits with fat pocket books have to be bad.
this becomes more of a labor issue, though, and should be separated from the talks of health impacts of football. I couldn't care less about the NFL industry, but unfortunately it represents the disparity between HS/NCAA and the NFL. One has a players advocacy, one doesn't. You're not in a teacher's union, are you? The bottom line, though, I'd just like to see this discussion rise above being an echo chamber of rants. Lets actually review something and share as colleagues
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Post by tog on Feb 3, 2013 9:57:19 GMT -6
I think you are missing the point of all the coaches that seem to be on the opposite side of this issue. what side am I on, though? If we all believe in researching effects and ensuring safety, aren't we agreeing? This does not need some silly congressional inquiry or the President opening his mouth about something of which he has no idea.... because they don't see the reward, and because they are the inteligencia, they then owe it to the small minded of us to change the game for us. I must be missing something, but who here has suggested what you've written? So he and several others vented their frustration with their own personal decisions through the courts, and juries of their piers took great joy in rewarding them millions because the owners of these mines had to be bad people. They were rich. We see the same thing now. Look at how many people want to side against the owners simply because we have been conditrioned to believe that old white guys in suits with fat pocket books have to be bad.
this becomes more of a labor issue, though, and should be separated from the talks of health impacts of football. I couldn't care less about the NFL industry, but unfortunately it represents the disparity between HS/NCAA and the NFL. One has a players advocacy, one doesn't. You're not in a teacher's union, are you? The bottom line, though, I'd just like to see this discussion rise above being an echo chamber of rants. Lets actually review something and share as colleagues "ensuring" safety? that's just the problem it can't be done trying to do so, will be going down the road of "common sense" football legislation the language will be owned by those that wish to ban Then the Bob Costas types of the world will go find something else (baseball, soccer?) to find "unsafe at any speed"...........liberty will be lost again.
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Post by optionoline on Feb 3, 2013 10:01:24 GMT -6
Sometimes we, as Football coaches, are our own worst enemies. Agreed. Parents are nuts and lawyers are opportunistic. All it takes is A: One HS player who gets a serious enough concussion that causes irreparable damage (diminished cognitive function measurable at all) B: That kids parents hire an attorney C: That attorney digs everywhere, including message boards like this one, and finds statements by that players coach bemoaning the "pussification" of America and lamenting any attempts to change football D: School District AND Coach are sued for millions. E: Schools can no longer afford to insure Football as a HS activity In addition, youth participation nation wide in football is reported to be down 11%. If we as coaches don't get ahead of this and make the requisite changes for safety AND make cogent compelling arguments to Moms, football WILL become a fringe sport like boxing, only participated in by the lowest socioeconomic classes because middle and upper class parents will not risk long term brain damage to their children. Won't be over night, but it will be quick. You can either accept where things are and work towards your goals (keeping the game as close to what it is today as possible) or bury your head in the sand and pissing and moaning.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 3, 2013 10:34:49 GMT -6
"ensuring" safety? that's just the problem it can't be done trying to do so, will be going down the road of "common sense" football legislation the language will be owned by those that wish to ban Then the Bob Costas types of the world will go find something else (baseball, soccer?) to find "unsafe at any speed"...........liberty will be lost again. Tog- if you are ultimately stuck on the word "ensure", then I would agree with you. You can not ENSURE 100% safety in any of life's endeavors. But I don't think this is the issue. Most of the posts I have read have been about examining, researching, and thinking. I don't believe that football will be "taken away" by someone stepping in and saying "Football=bad=over" In fact, the very liberty you keep espousing will be at play should football "go quietly into the night" as the process will be one of conscious decision making by informed people.
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Post by tog on Feb 3, 2013 10:47:07 GMT -6
"ensuring" safety? that's just the problem it can't be done trying to do so, will be going down the road of "common sense" football legislation the language will be owned by those that wish to ban Then the Bob Costas types of the world will go find something else (baseball, soccer?) to find "unsafe at any speed"...........liberty will be lost again. Tog- if you are ultimately stuck on the word "ensure", then I would agree with you. You can not ENSURE 100% safety in any of life's endeavors. But I don't think this is the issue. Most of the posts I have read have been about examining, researching, and thinking. I don't believe that football will be "taken away" by someone stepping in and saying "Football=bad=over" In fact, the very liberty you keep espousing will be at play should football "go quietly into the night" as the process will be one of conscious decision making by informed people. informed people with good intentions that think that will never happen here? solzhenitsyn would have some very interesting things to say about that I think. (You seem to like bringing in the Russians to the conversation) You are right. No one is calling for an outright ban right now. Wait until football's "sandy Hook" incident. Something the media can harp on over and over. Maybe something tonight on the biggest stage of the super bowl. If a player dies on the field tonight. What then? It must be banned!
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Post by brophy on Feb 3, 2013 11:01:19 GMT -6
Wait until football's "sandy Hook" incident. Something the media can harp on over and over. Maybe something tonight on the biggest stage of the super bowl. If a player dies on the field tonight. What then? It must be banned! You were saying something about handwringing alarmist reactionaries? Buy gold and head for the hills, I guess. Can we discuss this without the AM. Talk radio tinfoil? Russians, communism, Sandy Hook, Obama, and liberty.....jesus christ
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Post by fantom on Feb 3, 2013 11:11:15 GMT -6
"ensuring" safety? that's just the problem it can't be done trying to do so, will be going down the road of "common sense" football legislation the language will be owned by those that wish to ban Then the Bob Costas types of the world will go find something else (baseball, soccer?) to find "unsafe at any speed"...........liberty will be lost again. Tog- if you are ultimately stuck on the word "ensure", then I would agree with you. You can not ENSURE 100% safety in any of life's endeavors. But I don't think this is the issue. Most of the posts I have read have been about examining, researching, and thinking. I don't believe that football will be "taken away" by someone stepping in and saying "Football=bad=over" In fact, the very liberty you keep espousing will be at play should football "go quietly into the night" as the process will be one of conscious decision making by informed people. The problem is that the decision is not being made by informed people. They're comparing health problems of men who spent 10+ years playing professional football and assuming that kids playing high school football run the same risks. That's what I found alarming about Obama's comments: he specified that he was NOT talking about NFL players. The fact is right now there is almost no evidence that high school football players are at a significantly greater risk of long-term metal impairment than the general population.
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Post by tog on Feb 3, 2013 11:14:18 GMT -6
Wait until football's "sandy Hook" incident. Something the media can harp on over and over. Maybe something tonight on the biggest stage of the super bowl. If a player dies on the field tonight. What then? It must be banned! You were saying something about handwringing alarmist reactionaries? Buy gold and head for the hills, I guess. Can we discuss this without the AM. Talk radio tinfoil? Russians, communism, Sandy Hook, Obama, and liberty.....jesus christ I brought up liberty tangentially to how others were also bringing it up. You and others brought up those other topics. I don't recall Obama or democrat/republican political stuff being in the thread at all. IF so we would have already moved the thread. ---edit---I see where it (was) in the original post. I got to this thread after that post was edited and the subject was no longer Obama anything. What is tin foil about the scenario? Handwringing alarmist reactionaries is exactly what would happen and you know it.
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Post by NC1974 on Feb 3, 2013 11:38:41 GMT -6
This thread is painful to follow at times, but I'm glued to it bacause I care about the game and our culture. Brophy(and anyone else that might believe I disagree with you), let me first say that NOONE reads and enjoys your blog more than me. In fact, when there are no new posts for a couple of weeks I go through withdrawls and start reading ones from 2 years ago. That being said, I think you are missing the point of all the coaches that seem to be on the opposite side of this issue. There is no coach that is out there saying they don't want more research. There is no coach that will refuse better helmet technology should it be marketed. There is no coach out there that is willing to risk the lives of his players just to get a win. All wer're saying is that let's not turn into chicken little and run around screaming that the sky is falling. This does not need some silly congressional inquiry or the President opening his mouth about something of which he has no idea. We now have people in our society that believe that putting on a football helmet is akin to juggling chain saws at the local carnival; all risk and little reward. And because they don't see the reward, and because they are the inteligencia, they then owe it to the small minded of us to change the game for us. My biggest problem with this entire issue is that NFL players and their families now want the courts to take millions from the NFL because football may have taken years of their life or limited their quality of life. I am a very high strung coach that endures alot of stress during the season. This stress is undoubtedly hard on me physically and emotionally. I have gone to the trouble of checking my cholesterol levels at the beginning of the season and again at the end, and they are much higher at the end. Should I bring suit against my school district or my state athletic association? If you say yes then you have a much different idea of America than I do. And Brophy (I'm really not trying to pick a fight with you, it's just that you responded to one of my earlier posts), you posted a picture of coal miners in reference to the worker's rights of NFL players. I would say the NFL'ers are more along the lines of a WWE wrestler wanting to sue because his back hurts. If any of them believed whole heartedly that ramming their head into other 300 lb monsters would be good for their health, then they should be suing their kindergarten teacher for not teaching them that when they were 5 years old. And on a much bigger philosophical question, I would even contend that the coal miner knew that hanging out in coal dust all day was not good for him. But the truth is, at that time mining coal was either safer OR paid bettrer than many of the altrernatives. Therefore, even the coal miner made a business decision that he should have to live by. My greart grandfather didn't like the living and working conditions in his country in 1918. But instead of of complaining about it he packed his bags and came to America ALONE at the age of 17. That is taking personal responsibility for ones own welfare and desrtiny. And it didn't always go well for him here, burt it was his decision to come here and he blamed noone for his life's difficulties. The fact is that even the noble coal miner found out that he regretted his decision to take a higher paying job at the risk of his own health. So he and several others vented their frustration with their own personal decisions through the courts, and juries of their piers took great joy in rewarding them millions because the owners of these mines had to be bad people. They were rich. We see the same thing now. Look at how many people want to side against the owners simply because we have been conditrioned to believe that old white guys in suits with fat pocket books have to be bad. Ultimately, none of us can be told that we HAVE to take a certain career path. We choose, we live with the conseuences. If my principal showed up to school Monday and said that if I wanted to keep my job I had to let Ray Lewis tackle me once per day, I'd walk. But if while on the way out the door he offered me 3 million dollars a year to stay I'd buckle up my chinstrap and say bring it Ray! Only trying to stimulate a little thought. No offfense Brophy. Now please get to work on that blog of yours !!! I agree that ADULTS who choose to play a risky game like football might not have as much of an excuse for suing the NFL. But most of us on this board are coaching minors. My concern is this: if evidence continues to mount that concussive and subconcussive (think OL and DL on every snap) hits lead to CTE, how comfortable am I encouraging young people to repeatedly do something that is damaging their future? At this point, I don't think there is enough evidence to support this, but I worry what the next 10 - 20 yrs of research will bring.
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Post by NC1974 on Feb 3, 2013 11:44:14 GMT -6
In this video, the information at the 46:00 minute mark is the most concerning to me....I also think it's something that most coaches aren't aware of. The fact that these "sub-concussive" hits have a cumulative effect that can be more dangerous than actual concussions should force coaches to re-evaluate the amount of contact they allow in practices. In the very near future, I think you will see all levels of football place greater restrictions on the number of full contact practices allowed. Teams may even have greater limits placed on the number of practices they can have in equipment. I know many coaches have already started to include more tackling drills and progressions that do not involve contact or that have very minimal contact. Steelhawk, I completely agree. Everyone like to talk about the big hits, and not leading with the head, but if it turns out that these subconcussive hits are more damaging, what do you di about the OL, DL, RBs, and LBs that are smaking heads hundreds if not thousands of times a week? That's concerning.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 3, 2013 12:44:48 GMT -6
You are right. No one is calling for an outright ban right now. Wait until football's "sandy Hook" incident. Something the media can harp on over and over. Maybe something tonight on the biggest stage of the super bowl. If a player dies on the field tonight. What then? It must be banned! Coach--this just shows how complex this issue is. Most of the posts here that you seem to be railing against with your posts on liberty and freedom and ww2 officers are not discussing acute incidents like you just proposed. That is the "sexy" issue... big hit concussions. The much more meaningful issue is this : Is playing football more risky to our brain than was thought before. How is discussing THAT issue, how is researching THAT issue, and how is making informed choices from THAT issue an infringement on liberty and freedom? Hell, how does discussing the research and other things regarding that issue even elicit a response that evokes Patrick Henry screaming "give me football or give me death". If the research were to come out and show perhaps that playing youth/hs ball leads to approximately 1-2% increased chance of dementia later in life....that is one thing. If the number were 8%....12%? That (to me anyway) is not handwringing, it is not sitting there and saying "football=bad=banned" It is not knee jerk. It is simply accumulating info and making choices. Now obviously such research will require a longitudinal study, and during that time...yes some will make their decisions prior to any reliable (scientifically speaking) findings. Isn't that FREEDOM and LIBERTY? I am just not sure how statement such as "changing football will kill America" really benefit ANYONE.
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Post by blb on Feb 3, 2013 13:01:05 GMT -6
In Summer 1980 I took a Graduate level Coaching Football class from one of my college coaches.
First day he said "Football is in trouble. You'd better be prepared to defend it," and "Pro Football is a bad influence that is filtering down into College and HS Football."
Emotional appeals bordering on propaganda such as "We're building men!" or "If you're afraid of injury, don't play" etc. aren't going to do it.
We'd better be able to demonstrate in concrete terms by our words AND actions what we're doing to make the game as safe as possible at all levels and in all areas - best practices, teaching techniques-adherence to rules, technology-equipment, training and medical procedures, etc.
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Post by tog on Feb 3, 2013 13:25:10 GMT -6
You are right. No one is calling for an outright ban right now. Wait until football's "sandy Hook" incident. Something the media can harp on over and over. Maybe something tonight on the biggest stage of the super bowl. If a player dies on the field tonight. What then? It must be banned! Coach--this just shows how complex this issue is. Most of the posts here that you seem to be railing against with your posts on liberty and freedom and ww2 officers are not discussing acute incidents like you just proposed. That is the "sexy" issue... big hit concussions. The much more meaningful issue is this : Is playing football more risky to our brain than was thought before. How is discussing THAT issue, how is researching THAT issue, and how is making informed choices from THAT issue an infringement on liberty and freedom? Hell, how does discussing the research and other things regarding that issue even elicit a response that evokes Patrick Henry screaming "give me football or give me death". If the research were to come out and show perhaps that playing youth/hs ball leads to approximately 1-2% increased chance of dementia later in life....that is one thing. If the number were 8%....12%? That (to me anyway) is not handwringing, it is not sitting there and saying "football=bad=banned" It is not knee jerk. It is simply accumulating info and making choices. Now obviously such research will require a longitudinal study, and during that time...yes some will make their decisions prior to any reliable (scientifically speaking) findings. Isn't that FREEDOM and LIBERTY? I am just not sure how statement such as "changing football will kill America" really benefit ANYONE. no one is stopping the discussion if people choose not to play, fine i don't want that choice made for them by the state i dont like where any of this is headed i feel sorry for the young coaches out there when all this stuff reaches its end point, i hope i am long gone discuss away,
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Post by mahonz on Feb 3, 2013 13:43:50 GMT -6
Jake Snakenberg was a HS player in the Denver area and he died of a Concussion related injury. Ed McCaffery ( former Denver Broncos WR ) spearheaded the Jack Snakenberg Youth Sports Concussion Act into Law. Mr McCaffery has two sons playing HS ball and two sons playing youth ball. He is also a Youth Coach. It brings awareness to the problem but is not “the fix”. Prevention awareness is the fix. This Law does remind Coaches that this is a problem so we must all become more aware and keep players out of contact even if you might not think there is a problem. Basically we must all error to the side of caution, which I am fine with as a policy. What I do have a problem with is some Youth Org’s are “selling” this Concussion Awareness Mandate as the fix. It helps but it’s not complete. The real fix is in the training both with technique and with equipment. You will never take the risk out of football. It is fast and violent….just like skate boarding or snow skiing or driving to the grocery store. I see responsible Coaching overcoming this national crisis the media keeps pimping. USA Football is on the right track and Im sure many of the State HS Athletic Associations are all over this issue as well. Knowledge will overcome this obstacle. Like one poster mentioned….he left a seminar with a newfound respect. We should all think like that and help protect the kids by showing some solidarity by speaking up about prevention in our own circles. There are so many good things Football provides to most anyone that plays this great Sport but we must stress Safety First more than ever. Knowledge is Power and I think the national media will eventually lose this battle but our game will be affected. Lets just hope that affect is for the positive and not the negative. Kind of like any Seatbelt Law. A good thing. The game can always improve but Legislative Mandates is not the answer when none of the governing bodies fully understands the game. We cant count on the kneejerkers with one thing in mind…re-election. Change has to come from those that Coach the game itself IMO. I don’t think the NFL is doing any of us any good either. Its win at all costs…literally. Do any of us think Alex Smith will ever mention the word Concussion to a trainer again? Complaining about it on a Football Message Board isn’t the fix either. We should all be writing letters to anyone that will listen…even Bob Costas himself. We need to be heard. A strength in numbers kind of thing. My thoughts ( rant). www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2011a/csl.nsf/billcontainers/A9CE9CEE12645CAA8725780800800D80/$FILE/040_01.pdf
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 3, 2013 14:49:02 GMT -6
no one is stopping the discussion if people choose not to play, fine i don't want that choice made for them by the state i dont like where any of this is headedi feel sorry for the young coaches out there when all this stuff reaches its end point, i hope i am long gone discuss away, Where WHAT is heading coach? A culture of safety? A culture of awareness? I like football, I have enjoyed coaching football in the past, from 7th grade football all the way through to Div 1AA. But by no means is football beyond reproach. It is by no means vital to our society... in fact if you read many of the posts and laments of coaches here, as football has risen to its zenith atop the US sporting landscape the last 35-40 years, America has "declined", the youth has gotten softer and softer, society has lost its way...etc. What does this mean? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...and that is the point. Football is a game. It can be fun, and like MANY endeavors, life lessons can be learned.
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Post by newhope on Feb 4, 2013 10:15:50 GMT -6
Unfortunately, this seems like every other issue in America today. Reasoned discussion and attempting to find solutions to our problems is nearly impossible to achieve because every issue has to be controlled by arguing by the extremes on each side. The sky is not always falling. If we are truly high school coaches because we want to help young men, then surely we want to do everything to keep them as safe as possible and we're willing to try to find better ways to do so, without running off on a "the government wants to take our helmets" track.
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Post by jlenwood on Feb 4, 2013 10:34:56 GMT -6
How about everybody here takes a step back, gather their breath and start looking at this post and the issues it brings up in a logical manner as opposed to such emotional responses. I beleive everyone that uses this board is "all in" when it comes to the game of football. Some folks on here have dedicated decades of their life to this sport while others only a few years. The common thread is I believe we all love the game and coaching the game.
I would say to look at numbers and data and past histories of how other football related issues have been addressed. Remember a few years back when it seemed the issue of the day was heat related strokes and deaths. I believe educated people took a long hard look at some practices that the football community could undertake that would help to make players safety and avoidance of heat realated issues less of a threat. There were great gains in the safety of the players. Why can't we look at some common sense solutions to the concusion situation, as well as any other "health of player" issues with the same scientific methods and results. I believe one reason we can't is that, quite frankly, some coaches react just as hysterically to the threat on football as some media/parent groups act about concussions.
The big threat I contend is still the youth level. High School football will dry up and go away if the health of the players does not take a greater role at the lower levels. The reason behind my thinking here is, as soon as Mom decides it is to dangerous for junior, he won't play. That is when the supply of HS players will start to drop.
My original response was this, if we as coaches do not want a bearaucrat to make the decision about who can play football, we had all better get on board with safer football training, practices, equipment and technology. We had also better get out in front of this issue and be seen as the people driving the safety issue, not as a bunch of neanderthals griping from the sidelines about how football is supposed to be tough. Because even if you feel you are doing the right thing, you will be portrayed to the public as the neanderthal if you don't become the local face of player safety in your community.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Feb 4, 2013 10:43:51 GMT -6
I'm wondering when/if rules will be changed in the game proper and if at some point coaches at the lower levels (not NFL) will get out in front to advocate said changes.
In rugby, for instance, one cannot leave their feet to tackle. In football, how many big hits resulting in concussions have occurred when a player launches "missle-like" through the air and ends up in a head-to-head collision?
In rugby one must attempt to wrap when making a tackle. If football players did this, it would certainly take some of the violence out of the hit, so to speak.
Not saying that concussions don't happen in rugby because they do, but maybe the game will change regarding what constitutes a legal tackle.
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Post by brophy on Feb 4, 2013 10:44:19 GMT -6
I know many will not agree with me but many coaches really have communist thinking here. Sacrifice for the common good comes right out of Marxism. Deny the individual comes right out of stalin. or the bible, I suppose [ and where Coach Slack derives most of his player inspiration from]. Why do you hate jesus, airman? If your players are only concerned about what football can do for THEM (individually), they are totally missing the point of playing a team sport (and they aren't going to find much satisfaction because that motive will always leave you wanting)
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Post by airman on Feb 12, 2013 22:06:26 GMT -6
I know many will not agree with me but many coaches really have communist thinking here. Sacrifice for the common good comes right out of Marxism. Deny the individual comes right out of stalin. or the bible, I suppose [ and where Coach Slack derives most of his player inspiration from]. Why do you hate jesus, airman? If your players are only concerned about what football can do for THEM (individually), they are totally missing the point of playing a team sport (and they aren't going to find much satisfaction because that motive will always leave you wanting)
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Post by airman on Feb 12, 2013 22:06:54 GMT -6
or the bible, I suppose [ and where Coach Slack derives most of his player inspiration from]. Why do you hate jesus, airman? If your players are only concerned about what football can do for THEM (individually), they are totally missing the point of playing a team sport (and they aren't going to find much satisfaction because that motive will always leave you wanting)
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Post by airman on Feb 12, 2013 22:08:15 GMT -6
Brophy, how did we get to I hate Jesus? I am really curious on this one?
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Post by airman on Feb 12, 2013 22:14:14 GMT -6
I know many will not agree with me but many coaches really have communist thinking here. Sacrifice for the common good comes right out of Marxism. Deny the individual comes right out of stalin. or the bible, I suppose [ and where Coach Slack derives most of his player inspiration from]. Why do you hate jesus, airman? If your players are only concerned about what football can do for THEM (individually), they are totally missing the point of playing a team sport (and they aren't going to find much satisfaction because that motive will always leave you wanting)
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Post by airman on Feb 12, 2013 22:18:07 GMT -6
Brophy, football in an individual sport. It is 11 individuals each giving their maximum effort. The only thing is what motives player #1 might not work with player #7 and so on. yes when you join a team you give up some of your individuality but motivating players is still an individual thing. this is why do as I say or else coaches are not very successful in the long run. the players see through the BS and the Fear. I believe kids need to be thinkers. they need to understand the how and why.
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Post by brophy on Feb 13, 2013 2:54:19 GMT -6
football in an individual sport. It is 11 individuals each giving their maximum effort. what motives player #1 might not work with player #7 and so on. motivating players is still an individual thing.
Sorry, but I can't let this slide. You're crawfishing here. No one suggested anything about "motivation" philosophy here. Your original comment had to do with hyperventilating at the mere suggestion of working together, to which you invoke a Godwin-esque knee jerk about socialism. Heaven forbid our players care about each other and sacrifice. "Football is an individual sport" - that is the FIRST time I've ever heard that. Your comment: many coaches really have communist thinking here. Sacrifice for the common good comes right out of Marxism. Deny the individual comes right out of stalin. Come in from the ledge, Coach McCarthy. We teach our players about banding together in group efficacy and we're painting them red? Whoo, boy! For the record, Marx and Stalin actually saw things quite a bit differently (not the same). What were you saying about thinking critically? this is why do as I say or else coaches are not very successful in the long run. players see through the BS and the Fear. I believe kids need to be thinkers. they need to understand the how and why.
Coaches should be teaching kids critical thinking skills. They should teach their kids to ask questions. To have coaches explain the how and why instead of the do or die mentality most coaches have. really no idea why you're conflating coercive motivation with reinforcing TEAMWORK. No one has suggest anything of the sort. So, if you reinforce how effort and concepts tie together, you're not teaching kids how to think for themselves? Brophy, how did we get to I hate Jesus? I am really curious on this one? You think Coach Slack derives his coaching philosophy from the Red book of Mao Tse-Tung or the Book of John? Your original post derided everything that Slack's New Testament is founded on
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 13, 2013 10:15:56 GMT -6
Not quite sure how we went from discussing the inherent risks of a sport whose primary action is to collide into others to comparing various political systems with New Testament teachings. We totally rock it though.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 13, 2013 10:22:52 GMT -6
Only on Coach Huey. ?
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Post by brophy on Feb 13, 2013 10:35:41 GMT -6
Not quite sure how we went from discussing the inherent risks of a sport whose primary action is to collide into others to comparing various political systems with New Testament teachings. We totally rock it though. pretty sure it happens all the time because unnecessary qualifiers get thrown in the mix (Obama, family values, "they takin our gunz!" and the tenets of National socialism) all within this thread Only on Coach Huey.? I wish
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