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Post by nltdiego on Jan 23, 2013 22:10:31 GMT -6
So I'm taking over a program (was the DC) and want to revise the summer. I had some questions on the summer program and was hoping to get some feedback. Here is what we do and need some insight:
We go in the morning from 8-11. We lose 8-10 guys to summer school and 3-4 are our main athletes. My coaches want to hold afternoon sessions for them. I do not feel as though we should as I want to encourage players to take school seriously and this lets them off the hook.
How many days per week? How many weeks of the summer?- We go 6 weeks Mon-Friday which gives us roughly 30 practices all summer.
Weights/ Conditioning - This is a huge part of our summer which I like. Usually 1 hour in weightroom and 30-45 on field. More? Less?
Football/Contact - We can hit everyday if we wanted to BUT we dont'. However, we hit the first three weeks minimal vs each other to prepare us for the 4th week contact camp. We stop after this and do not hit weeks 5-6. We seemed very burnt out this year weeks 9-10 as I thought we hit way too much. Thoughts?
Film- do you teach on the field and/or watch any film?
Goals - What should a player get out of the 6 weeks of summer camp?
Thanks!
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 23, 2013 22:41:04 GMT -6
Summer is an area we really need to improve upon... we turn our summer into a grind and burn kids out, when in reality we don't get a ton accomplished
We practice every mon-Thurs over summer up until school starts we have a 3 day full contact 8 team camp the week after 4th of july
We have a huge summer school population so AM workouts are pretty much impossible, also half of our coaches, including HC are off campus guys with day/night jobs. We have to keep practices around 3 or 4.
One problem we have is coordinating weight lifting conditioning field work, plays, drills film (none)
We need to find an improved method for A. lifting daily... to many kids skip out and we have tried before prac, and after prac and kids complain about being tired either way
B. I think we need to split into groups because our weight room is small... so we could have a lifting group, and a running group
C. coaches still want time for indys and team and install... when do we fit that in if we really want to improve strength wise
D. if we have the time for all of that when do we have a chance for film?
Best idea I have would be 2 groups A. Lift B. Run/Condition 30 minutes each (i think we can get good work in for each group in that time)
bring everyone into film room and go over film from the night before's practice... gives kids muscles a chance to rest some
then do any on the field work
That hits everything we want, but that can be a long day (especially if a kid is already in summer school 8-3)
Are we just asking too much of our kids?
Very glad someone brought up this topic!!
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Post by realdawg on Jan 24, 2013 5:14:59 GMT -6
We go at 830 in the morning Mon-Thursday. We found that if we go later in the day our attendance dropped and kids found something else to do. We split our kids into JV and varsity. JV runs and does speed/agility while varsity lifts. Then they switch, then we go on the field and practice for an hour. 30 min o and 30 min d. Now some Tuesdays we may let them go after lifting and running and some Wednesdays we may go outside and practice and condition the whole time and not lift. But this is our normal summer day.
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Post by bluboy on Jan 24, 2013 7:02:10 GMT -6
M-W-F our older kids(grades 10-12) work out for about 2.5 hours(in-coming frosh workout T-Th with frosh coach). First hour has skill kids on the field doing agility and skill work; non-skill guys are lifting. We then flip. About the last 20 minutes of the day is some kind of running, could be offensive take-off's, pursuit drill, some kind of game. We do this in the morning (8-10:30). We run a 7on7 league every Wed. during the month of July and have two teams (big dogs and little dogs). We run a camp in July and encourage our kids to attend. We encourage our kids to be involved in other sports and have a number of kids miss our workouts because they are at sports camps or tournaments; we give them weightroom credit for these other sports activities. We also excuse kids if they go on vacation with their families. This system works for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 7:12:40 GMT -6
I agree with what realdawg said about the earlier you go the better. I've had my doubts over the years as I thought many kids would just sleep in and skip workouts, but I too have found that the earlier you go the better. I like our summer program the way it is set up. It is four days a week, but only scheduled for two hours and often times we are done after only 90 minutes. It's short, but we still get a lot done.
As mentioned, we do go Monday through Thursday from 8-10 in the morning. The first hour we are in the weight room and the second hour we are on the field. I don't recall exactly how the lifting schedule is set up, but I know the kids bench twice a week, squat twice a week, and hang clean twice a week plus some auxillary lifts too. One thing that helps us get a lot done, imho, is that when we go on the field, we rarely if ever do full team stuff. The HC and I work with the OL/DL and the QB coach/OC and a couple other coaches work with the skill position guys. Depending on numbers, the freshmen coaches may work their guys in a team setting or an individual setting. Now, our skill guys do end up being pretty busy, because we have 7 on 7 almost every Tuesday evening and then a few Wednesday afternoons too.
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Post by cnunley on Jan 24, 2013 7:20:19 GMT -6
I really liked what we did last summer with our new HC.
We came Monday-Thursday from 5-7PM. This was Varsity and JV (We are a smaller school so we maxed out around 50 kids total)
The times worked out well for all coaches to be there and with it being a new HC the kids felt the importance of being there as well.
We split everybody into 2 groups, Skill and Lineman. Lineman would lift the first hour each day while Skill were outside doing speed drills or install/indy time of either O or D. After an hour we would switch with Skill going to weight room and Lineman outside doing speed drills or Install/Indy time.
I thought we entered the season better prepared than we have in a while both strength wise and football wise.
We had a few kids that were playing summer baseball. At our school we have several opportunities during the day for kids to come lift with different coaches supervising those lifts (not football coaches). We would contact that coach and let him know we should have X amount of football players in his lift due to a baseball game that night. Worked out well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 7:25:48 GMT -6
Good point on working around the summer baseball. I like going in the morning, but I should point out with my post that we almost have to go at that time, because baseball is a summer sport in Iowa.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 24, 2013 7:34:05 GMT -6
We go Mon-Tue-Thrs 4-6:00. Weight room is open at 3. We are allowed helmets and shoulder pads in the summer so we start in them the first day of July and go to the week before the first official day. We use to give them the week before our first official day off but now our association is trying to pass a rule for heat acclimation where we must document that kids have had 3-2 hour conditioning session with in 7-10 days before the first official day or they can not put on pads until they complete the 6 hours. Now nothing we do is mandatory in summer, but now it seems that we need to have mandatory stuff as dictated by this new rule they are trying to pass. It's a mess.
We have never had problems with kids not coming to workouts. It's part of our program now and is expected of them and they know it is in their best interest to be there. It's 6 hours a week.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 24, 2013 7:49:49 GMT -6
Weights: MWF 1st group (starters/key players/top 48) 8-10. 2nd group (developmental players) 10-12. Middle School 6-8
Speed Development: TTh Small groups 8-12 1 hour per session, but really only working hard on running/form/etc.. for 20-25 minutes
Contact: A NO NO in SC
7-7: TTh 10-11:30 Prepractice/Intall Warm ups Indy Team Varsity, JV, C Team (freshman) Middle School 6-7:30
7-7 Competitions: We can go against another school 10 days in the summer
Film: If we have film work we meet TTh about 30 minutes before going out for 7-7
Summer school: If we have someone in summer school there are times they can come lift in the evenings, even though the work is not varsity level work. That is the motivation.
Goals: Since in SC we cannot have 'camp', the summer goals are to continue to add weight/strength, improve speed, and install/rep our primary passing sets and concepts, and coverages.
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Post by gators1422 on Jan 24, 2013 11:36:14 GMT -6
We are a small school 300in kids 9-12. Our staff has been there 2 years now. When we got there we had 6 six kids bench over 200, before we started this season we had 22 over 200. We have almost all the Varsity kids in a PE class so they lift during the year. Our summer is lifting on Mon and Thurs 6-8ish. Everything on the whistle getting after it. Tuesday is 7on7 and speed and footwork drills. So far it's really paying off. And summer is mandatory, you have to make 14 of 18 days. For every day you miss its a suicide mile. Kids don't miss.
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Post by Trojan2017 on Jan 24, 2013 11:39:38 GMT -6
We were lucky at the previous school I was coaching at. We had a former collegiate strength coach who knew what exactly was going on. In Kansas we are limited to what we can do in the summer as far as practice is concerned. We were a rural school so we came in from 6:30-8:15 on M, W, and Th. Had the high school kids work out together for the first hour. Then they would go do either conditioning, agilities, or speed stuff depending on what day it was. Everything fit and worked perfectly. While the high school kids lifted the JH would be doing the speed, conditioning, or agilities. Then they would go do their workout. Completely different workout more geared towards junior high kids. We got more out of our kids in 3 days than we would have ha we gone 4 days. We also would have a 2 week camp with no contact. One week at the beginning of the summer and one at the end. Every other week we would do individual drills in place of conditioning. I would also run a practice on Wednesday nights that was voluntary. We would just work on our passing game from the spread as a change up for our DW in case we would need it in the season. Kids loved coming over the summer and held their buddies accountable. Had around 50+ kids there every day for a school that only had 60 on the entire roster.
Worked great at our small school in Kansas but I'm sure it would be much different if we were in another state that allowed contact and things like that over the summer.
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Post by peacock1915 on Jan 24, 2013 11:54:57 GMT -6
We have our kids come in 4 days a week through the month of June, We lift 3 and do stations outside 1. We also do 7v7 versus some other schools on Mondays. Our state has a mandated dead week usually around the 2nd week of July (coincides with the state coaches clinic) and my school adds a second week to it. So this summer from the 4th through the 19th of July I can't be with my players at all. We will then come back for 2 weeks, and lift and have a mini camp, where we install all our special teams and do some 7v7.
We usually start our workouts at 7 lift around 50 minutes then do some form of running/conditioning after that. Usually they are done around 9.
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Post by fred on Jan 24, 2013 14:46:27 GMT -6
This is an interesting topic for me as we are looking to upgrade our summer work. Here we get 25 days to be with our kids not including strength and conditioning. In the past we have not reached that number for various reason but we have lifted morning and done camp/practice in the evening(2 4 day sessions 1 at begginng and 1 at the end of summer) We have also play 7 v 7 5 or 6 times and we go to a 3 day team camp. The last 2 years we have had poor or sporadic attendance at camps so here is our plan this summer. We will still do 7 v 7 and team camp as always. We will have a 4 day camp in evening right before we go to team camp and then when we return we will go Mon - Thurs in the am. Mon will be lifting and speed Tues Lift and indy, Wed Team pract/install and Thurs lifting and speed. Our indy and Practice time will only be about an hour. Here is my question. By only installing and being together as a team on the field once per week will their be enough consistency for the learning to carry over?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 17:24:31 GMT -6
We lift Monday, Wed, Thursday. 7 on 7 and skill development on Tuesday. We average about 6 7on7s a summer. We integrate speed/quickness development with lifting. It keeps the kids and coaches fresh, and we are prepared. To the coaches out there trying to figure it out, the summer is a less is more scenario.
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Post by blb on Jan 24, 2013 17:29:21 GMT -6
Summer regulations obviously vary from state to state.
As does when official Football practice and season (games) start.
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you HAVE to (or SHOULD) do something June-July.
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Post by mholst40 on Jan 25, 2013 0:15:23 GMT -6
We are a large school (2000 + enrollment) in Northern California. Our Section doesn't allow us to wear helmets or any football pads, but we can now use any football field equipment we want. Before last year, we could only use balls. Our district no longer has summer school, so the only reason players miss is because they don't want to. Not many of our kids have had jobs that have kept them away.
For the past couple of years, we have practiced MWF from 11:00 am - 2:30 pm. Our HC has Extended School Year (Special Ed summer school) and his day ends at noon, so we can't start football until then. I run the S&C program, so we start lifting before practice.
11:00 - 12:00 - Lifting 12:00 - 12:45 - Meeting (we install everything during the summer, will watch film sometimes. This down time also serves as a buffer to recover after lifting) 1:00 - 2:30 - Practice (Indy, Group, Team, Conditioning)
We also do a weekly 7-on-7 league (2-3, 30-minute games) on Thursday. We always go to an overnight team contact camp as well. This is the only time we can use protective football equipment.
I've had the most difficulty planning our S&C program for summer. At first, I felt like this was be a great time to make a lot of gains because our kids were out of school. What I found out was that it needed to be treated almost like an In-Season program with a little more volume. Our kids do a ton of running during the summer and we ask a lot of them, so we haven't seen the gains I was originally expecting.
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Post by Luther Van Dam on Jan 25, 2013 1:01:19 GMT -6
Varsity Only
Weights: M, Tu, Th, F 2 groups: offense and defense. One group lifts while the other works core, speed drills, etc. 2-3:30 pm
Speed Development: M, Tu, Th, 1 group 3:30 - 4:15 pm
Contact: F Practice in helmets only. No real contact, but allows us to install offense, defense and special teams as well as simply learning how to practice
7-7 Competitions: Will play one team weekly, usually on Thursday. Will also attend a few tournaments
Film: Install before practice on Fridays. Position coaches review practice film and teach on Monday before workouts
Summer school: Ends before we begin at 2pm. Has not been a problem for us thus far.
ETC: Hold a youth camp early in the summer. Players are required to attend 90% of all activities over 10 week period Position coaches are responsible for their players. If you want him to play for you, you will make sure he attends 90%
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 5:46:12 GMT -6
How do you enforce the 90% rule? Are they actually told they can't play at the end of the summer if their attendance is low?
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Post by spreadopt on Jan 25, 2013 7:03:40 GMT -6
We will lift in the morning. If players have to attend Summer School, we have the weightroom open before school for them so they do not miss out on the workout.
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Post by tigeroption on Jan 25, 2013 8:34:26 GMT -6
So I'm taking over a program (was the DC) and want to revise the summer. I had some questions on the summer program and was hoping to get some feedback. Here is what we do and need some insight: We go in the morning from 8-11. We lose 8-10 guys to summer school and 3-4 are our main athletes. My coaches want to hold afternoon sessions for them. I do not feel as though we should as I want to encourage players to take school seriously and this lets them off the hook. How many days per week? How many weeks of the summer?- We go 6 weeks Mon-Friday which gives us roughly 30 practices all summer. Weights/ Conditioning - This is a huge part of our summer which I like. Usually 1 hour in weightroom and 30-45 on field. More? Less? Football/Contact - We can hit everyday if we wanted to BUT we dont'. However, we hit the first three weeks minimal vs each other to prepare us for the 4th week contact camp. We stop after this and do not hit weeks 5-6. We seemed very burnt out this year weeks 9-10 as I thought we hit way too much. Thoughts? Film- do you teach on the field and/or watch any film? Goals - What should a player get out of the 6 weeks of summer camp? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Coach what state are you in? You guys get pads and contact all summer long? That's got to be pretty nice.
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Post by tigeroption on Jan 25, 2013 8:41:35 GMT -6
We run multiple sessions for weights in the summer. Our morning sessions start at 6:30 and run till 8am so kids that have to work can make it. We also run evening and even one late session after basketball practice for those kids. I've found that giving them flexibility on getting in eliminates excuses.
We ask our kids to lift 3 days a week for 8 weeks. We also have a position mini-camp for every position (OL,DE,DT,WR, etc....) Play in a 7 on 7 league We have our own non-contact team camp We attend a Contact team camp against other schools hosted at a local college.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 25, 2013 9:10:06 GMT -6
Summer is an area we really need to improve upon... we turn our summer into a grind and burn kids out, when in reality we don't get a ton accomplished We practice every mon-Thurs over summer up until school starts we have a 3 day full contact 8 team camp the week after 4th of july We have a huge summer school population so AM workouts are pretty much impossible, also half of our coaches, including HC are off campus guys with day/night jobs. We have to keep practices around 3 or 4. One problem we have is coordinating weight lifting conditioning field work, plays, drills film (none) We need to find an improved method for A. lifting daily... to many kids skip out and we have tried before prac, and after prac and kids complain about being tired either way B. I think we need to split into groups because our weight room is small... so we could have a lifting group, and a running group C. coaches still want time for indys and team and install... when do we fit that in if we really want to improve strength wise D. if we have the time for all of that when do we have a chance for film? Best idea I have would be 2 groups A. Lift B. Run/Condition 30 minutes each (i think we can get good work in for each group in that time) bring everyone into film room and go over film from the night before's practice... gives kids muscles a chance to rest some then do any on the field work That hits everything we want, but that can be a long day (especially if a kid is already in summer school 8-3) Are we just asking too much of our kids? Very glad someone brought up this topic!! Clearly your kids don't work over the summer.
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Post by 1coachhansen on Jan 25, 2013 14:59:41 GMT -6
I am the Head Football coach and the Strength and Conditioning Coordinator for all sports.
In Nebraska, you cannot have organized football practice unless you are preparing for a football camp or jamoboree... And then all that contact is supposed to only happen in a 3 week window. Obviously, that doesn't happen for everyone.
We have strength and conditioning sessions 3 times per week, on M, T, Th. from 7-9am or 7-9pm. This way kids that work in the morning have no excuse (well at least a good excuse) not to lift. Nobody works from 7am until 9pm at night. Our session include lifting/vertimax/plyometrics. We do vertimax twice per week and track conditioning/sprinting the 3rd day. Our athletes have a goal of making 90% of the sessions. Ultimately it is up the each sport's Head Coach as to what the punishment/makeup is for kids who didn't hit the goal.
As for football things in the summer, we host our own 8 team football jamboree (scrimmage camp). one is at our high school facility and one is at a neighboring town's facility. 3rd week of june and the 2nd week of july. We also will participate in a 7 on 7 league every saturday morning in June. We start our actual fall practice in mid August.
I'm a big believer in kids playing alot of different sports. I don't want my football players only playing football. Playing Basketball, wrestling and running track is only going to make you a better overall athlete and football player. So in the summer, our kids are super busy with football camp, basketball camps, playing baseball, and lifting weights. That's why we only go 3 days and nothing on Friday, saturday, and obviously Sunday in the weight room. Kids have to have time to be kids too.
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Post by Luther Van Dam on Jan 25, 2013 17:19:39 GMT -6
How do you enforce the 90% rule? Are they actually told they can't play at the end of the summer if their attendance is low? Yes. If our players do not reach the minimum requirement, we "end the relationship."
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Post by ramsoc on Feb 5, 2013 0:03:19 GMT -6
We start the Monday after school ends up until July 31 when we start a black out for two or so weeks. They get some days off around the 4th depending when it falls.
We are Monday thru Friday, 3-5:30. First hour is either strength or speed training, except for Friday.
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Post by stackemup on Feb 11, 2013 11:54:37 GMT -6
Monday-7 AM-9:30 AM 2 groups. 1. Lift 2. Condition hour and 15 then switch. Tuesday-7 AM-9:30 AM 2 groups. 1. Lift 2. Plyos/Speed Development hour and 15 then switch. Wednesday- 7 on 7 passing league Thursday-7 AM-9:30 AM 2 groups. 1. Lift 2. Agilities/Competitions hour and 15 then switch.
On Monday or Tuesday we have an evening session where we install go over some stuff for passing league.
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