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Post by brophy on Jun 19, 2006 11:10:17 GMT -6
Would you argue that this is a myth or are there factors that would support this statement?
Does it matter? If so, would the personality of the coach(es) make a difference in the hiring process?
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Post by crl on Jun 19, 2006 11:15:32 GMT -6
I knew a team (The Flighty Niteys) I believe it was called.., that took up art classes because of their Coach.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 19, 2006 12:15:07 GMT -6
Broph- I would say that a team takes on the personality of its coach. Coaches that are overly emotional, lack ability to be analytical, tend to panic and demonstrate a lack of organization most often have teams that resemble them.
On the other hand, coaches that are tough, disciplined and rock steady in their approach often have teams that play that way.
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Post by brophy on Jun 19, 2006 12:30:40 GMT -6
that's what I was getting at.....do you all think it's because that is what is being modelled to them? Or because that is shown what is 'acceptable'? Is there a reason?
I see it from Pee Wee to Pros, just wondering.
I don't think "personality" per se really makes a difference in the outcome of a ball-game (OTHER factors are involved there), but I do believe a team molds itself in it's expressions from the coach or coordinator.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 19, 2006 14:13:57 GMT -6
HERES AN EXAMPLE....SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE NOW...
YOUTH TEAM
*coaches curse and chew tobacco, spit, bully, tease kids, studs beat up on weak second teamers or belittle kids that are lame. discipline involves name callign and lots of laps or up downs. coaches dont get back ground clearances and remain "employed" even after allegations of abuse or physical bullying. coaches dress unprofessional, act unprofessional and uneducated and certainly with little sensitivity or cultural diversity training.
*kids can wear visors, different colored shoes, socks, rags hanging from helmets, rags hanging from waist , write on face, arms etc. individualism is tolerated and encouraged "thats my son!" instead of "our program"
*trash talking not just from players on field, but coaches, parents, fans alike
*miss big picture of program and all part of one team, "look at me" "look at what I did"
*poor sportsmanship, try to run it up, late hits are not only tolerated but encouraged at times. dirty play is seen as part of the game.
*team is often penalized
*team self destructs when over matched or frustrated
*teammates dont support each other and get on each other in negative ways when an error occurs.
THEY COME TO ME
no cursing, no bullying, no intimidation, no negative comments from one teammate to another, respectful of coaches, refs, oponnents, each other.
"uniform" means we all dress the same, black cleats, white socks, no jewelry, no writing on arms or face etc.
no dancing, excessive celebration etc is not tolerated. score, give ball to ref jog back to huddle. no trash talking, severe penalty for personal fouls.
coaches come to practice prepared with scripts and all drills ready...kids see how serious we are and how hard we work and it carrys over. we let up, they let up.
work on discipline in every area, down to where to put helmet when stretching, no sitting on pads, bags, helmets, ball etc...classy in every way is what we strive for. do we get it? not always but its a far cry from what we see at another level. to protect the innocent i wont say where we see these kids being misled.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 19, 2006 14:16:28 GMT -6
let me add, i have then turned them over to the very same kind of coaching that we got them away from for a couple of seasons...a shame. back to "look at me" and lack of discipline.
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Post by brophy on Jun 19, 2006 15:02:51 GMT -6
no offense, Steve, seriously.... but this image comes to mind....  |
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Post by airman on Jun 19, 2006 15:12:09 GMT -6
it is odd, that karata kid picture is in the place where I train for martial arts. it is constantly referred to as the way not to lead a martial arts class.
if we ran our schools, the way a Do Jo was run, we would not have disciplien problems.
interesting in the Do Jo, you bow out of respect for the teacher and those members who have a higher belt. the bow, is a sign of respect. if you forget, you are reminded, just not yelled at.
i find taking up martial arts has really changed my opinions. I am the white belt. pure and inexperienced. the other belts teach me the ways of the tae kwon do. I am looking at directly applying this to football .
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Post by brophy on Jun 19, 2006 15:15:09 GMT -6
I have a black belt in Tae bo
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Post by airman on Jun 19, 2006 15:35:21 GMT -6
I have a black belt in Tae bo you and bill banks?  |
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Post by blb on Jun 19, 2006 15:36:04 GMT -6
I have a blue belt in my kha kis
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Post by los on Jun 19, 2006 17:50:39 GMT -6
I think teams may take on some traits of the coaches that spend the most time with them, although their family life and teammates/friends seem to have more impact on them to me! I guess if you had the same group for several years it might make a difference. As far as working for another coach(the hiring part), I'm not concerned if they're just like me or vice-versa as long as theres a mutual respect. No comment on the cussing(as quietly to myself as possible) and chewing tobacco/smoking cigars or chugging coffee. No belts in karate but my big gut does hang over my belt, does that count???
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 19, 2006 19:08:49 GMT -6
hey Brophy...if you could replace that buff guy with a guy a bit more round then yeah, thats a better image. no seriously, we have fun, we smile but we frown upon and dont tolerate classless bs. what is tolerated is encouraged...that , i know is true ,when it comes to jr high kids. they are all out to impress their friends with what great four letter words they know etc. in addition bullying can get out of hand in a hurry when you have 5-6 kids that are matured and the rest havent hit puberty...you got to kill that stuff in a hurry.
ultimately attitude reflects leadership.
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Post by coachnorm on Jun 20, 2006 7:50:24 GMT -6
Broph I'm still trying to figure out if it would be a good thing for YOUR team to take on the coaches personality. I don't think stopping the game to moon the other team is probably that good an idea.... (lol)
Seriously I do agree with Calande - "Attitude reflects leadership." Maybe not absolutely, but always to an extent. Some coaches are certainly more forceful personalities than others, but it takes a forceful personality to be a head coach. Often that is the difference between a guy who is an outstanding assistant but wouldn't make a great head coach and a guy who is a great head coach. That forceful personality and ability to enforce his will on others.
But hey, I have been known to be full of BS.....
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